SleepyHead 0.9.1 Official Beta Release

jedimark wrote:By the way, has anyone has a chance to play with the session on/off switches down the bottom of the details tab?

You can now hide individual sessions where you were testing a mask, playing with the machine, having a short afternoon nap, or just simply couldn't get to sleep and got up again.

When switched off, those sessions won't be included in any calculations..

Edit: Lol, I just mentioned it then I found a bug with it.. It's only a minor display one when you switch them all off.. Thats kinda not the idea of it though.. :}

I turned off a small test session with some wild data from the other day, very neat function that corrected my data and totally cleaned up the view for that day.

I also successfully imported both my CPAP and O2 data (via serial import) this morning, no problems at all

Edit: I also struggled a little with getting the new Sleepyhead icon to work, the png file I downloaded would make a icon with a black background that was not very good looking.
Here's what you can do:
Rightclick and choose to download this icon file from this link, I have converted the .PNG file to a ICO file with transparent background.
Rightclick the desktop shortcut and choose propertys, find the "Change Icon" button in the Shortcut tab, click it and point to the file you downloaded.

Thanks, Mark. I appreciate all the work and hours you put into this.Can't say enough about your work. Great job!!

George

I brought my laptop along.. got a chance to show her how SleepyHead compares.. Like a complete dolt I forgot to bring the printouts.. I'm hoping she liked what she saw anyway..[/quote][/quote]

If I understand correctly, encore is strictly for pr system one machines. If she used sleepyhead, it might save her some room on her hard drive. And it's free. Encore is $99 at the one place I looked.

Kairosgrammy wrote:If I understand correctly, encore is strictly for pr system one machines. If she used sleepyhead, it might save her some room on her hard drive. And it's free. Encore is $99 at the one place I looked.

SleepyHead's for designed for us users.. Not that I'd remotely consider stopping anyone using it for more, it's just I don't want to get carried away adding stuff that will make it harder for us "patients" to use.. But I guess all it really needs to be useful in that context is a slightly better profile management screen.

Encore Pro is more like a grand or so..it's the only Encore version I know of that shows Flow Waveform in the reports.. A lot of money for an for a crummy bloated piece of software..

I haven't personally seen much of Encore Viewer (which is the "cheap" user version) to pass an opinion on it.. I'm hoping for it's users sake it's more patient friendly.. :/

jedimark wrote:I haven't personally seen much of Encore Viewer (which is the "cheap" user version) to pass an opinion on it.. I'm hoping for it's users sake it's more patient friendly.. :/

I bought Encore Viewer 1.0 back in June of 2009. It is very basic and I have used free security programs that are much more sophisticated. $20 would be more of a fair price in my opinion.

Encore Viewer 2.0 (I also have) and it is exactly the same (so same $20 fair price ) as 1.0 except it has the upgrades to show the new data that the new PR System One machine gather. It of course does not do wave form. It is 77 MB in size or thereabouts. It is fairly user friendly but does not come with any instructions as all as to how to do anything. User is on their own but it is not difficult to figure out how to manage it.

Encore Pro 2.4 is huge..360 plus MB..slow, slow and is of course not so easy for a computer novice to figure out how to manage. Some one told me the other day that they were offered Pro purchase $250. Cough, cough...not worth it at all for us lowly patients. Of course it has all the office stuff in it which really inflates the size. Waveform is the only plus to it and when you get it you get about 6 pages of tiny lines of breaths to sort through to spot your events.... SleepyHead lets us go to the event tab and click on a specific event and see it up close in a blink of an eye. No work... I am all for "no work"

M Series and older machines will work with the upgraded Encore versions (either one) but the reports do not change because the older machines don't gather the new data. Reports are identical to Encore Viewer 1.0 and the old Encore Pro 1.8. So they gain nothing by upgrading the software except the ability to use it if they upgrade machines to PR S1 models.

Neither of the Encore versions allow any zooming in or modification to data. No eliminating sessions that screw with overall data. Nothing. What you see is what you get. Nicely present and fairly easy to grasp but none of the extra data that is gathered in SleepyHead that we didn't even know was recorded because Encore didn't show it...like respiration rate...

SleepyHead runs circles around either Encore version and does it hugely faster with more custom features.

Pugsy wrote:Encore Pro 2.4 is huge..360 plus MB..slow, slow and is of course not so easy for a computer novice to figure out how to manage. Some one told me the other day that they were offered Pro purchase $250. Cough, cough...not worth it at all for us lowly patients. Of course it has all the office stuff in it which really inflates the size. Waveform is the only plus to it and when you get it you get about 6 pages of tiny lines of breaths to sort through to spot your events.... SleepyHead lets us go to the event tab and click on a specific event and see it up close in a blink of an eye. No work... I am all for "no work"

Encore Pro 2.4 is also problematic on 64 bit Windows 7 machines. It also has the SQL install for the data which can be problematic as well. I much prefer the new Sleepyhead Beta - GO OPEN SOURCE! I have both installed and I hate the user interface for Encore Pro as well.

Much thanks to Jedimark for his tireless work on this project and allowing us open access to the data on our machines!

retrodave15 wrote:Encore Pro 2.4 is also problematic on 64 bit Windows 7 machines. It also has the SQL install for the data which can be problematic as well.

Encore Pro's SQL thing can be problematic for any computer from 32 bit XP all the way up to Win 7 64 bit.
It can be really finicky for some people. I had it running just fine on this 64 bit Win 7 laptop and now I have Pro 2.5 (which is overkill since I don't use ASV and that is all the 2.5 is needed for and it is even slower) without any issues.
Install is the biggest problem with Pro...least little conflict and it won't install.
Pro does have the different 32 and 64 bit options but both versions have been known to be a real PITA.

I also have Encore Viewer 2.0 which is 32 bit version...up and running on this 64 bit laptop. I minor work around the install process is all that is needed for it. I did it just to see if it could easily be done and it can.

I still get a lot of requests from people who think they just have to have Pro like it shows something magical but it doesn't. Pro actually offers less data overall. It does present the data it does offer visually different from SleepyHead but that is no big deal either way. Some people just want to compare the two problems and that is just fine. Hey, I have all 3 on my computer but then I keep them mainly for educational purposes now. That and I messed up my SD card with last summers data on it and the only place it is stored is on Pro..so guess I will keep it around.

What is the Vibratory Snore #2 all about?

I went into the Preferences, Ignore Short Sessions. Put mine up to 30 minutes.
For me it makes all the difference in the world
For whatever reason, AHI's are at their worst during those short periods, which messes up the whole calculations. Love it!!!

Starlette

cpaptex wrote:What is the Vibratory Snore #2 all about?

Apparently the machines score 2 different types of snores but only one type causes any response in an APAP machine (it will try to fix them with more pressure). I assume that it is because the sound may be associated with a small reduction in flow and the machine associates it with an event precursor.

Just what the #1 snore does or is...we don't really know. Robysue has a detailed explanation somewhere that goes into more detail but in the end we don't have a perfect explanation as to the differences and why they are reported as such. It is never explained in any of the Encore software literature.
All we know is that it is there.

BTW...my machine will flag these even when it isn't me.. It catches my little Pug dog's snores when he sleeps with his chin on my shoulder up by my head. So the machine is super sensitive to sounds.

Since snore number # 2 seems to trigger the APAP machines trying to fix things and number #1 it doesn't do anything (so we assume not so important) #2 snores are reported in SH software.

Not a good explanation I know but all we get in the Encore glossary is a simple definition of vibratory snores in general which is
Snore...A loud upper airway breathing sound during sleep, without episodes of apnea.
Vibratory Snore (VS) Index...The Vibratory Snore Index is the total number of vibratory snoring events per night divided by the hours of use.

Edit.. maybe we could get Robysue to add her Snore explanation to the SH tutorial under construction thread...then I would have it handy and we can add it to the final tutorial. She explains it in much better detail than I do.

Ahhhhh. That's what I found for $99. It should be great software for the price they are asking. Apparently, they are afraid to tell you the price of encore pro. I couldn't find a price at least not on this brief search.

jedimark wrote:

Kairosgrammy wrote:If I understand correctly, encore is strictly for pr system one machines. If she used sleepyhead, it might save her some room on her hard drive. And it's free. Encore is $99 at the one place I looked.

SleepyHead's for designed for us users.. Not that I'd remotely consider stopping anyone using it for more, it's just I don't want to get carried away adding stuff that will make it harder for us "patients" to use.. But I guess all it really needs to be useful in that context is a slightly better profile management screen.

Encore Pro is more like a grand or so..it's the only Encore version I know of that shows Flow Waveform in the reports.. A lot of money for an for a crummy bloated piece of software..

I haven't personally seen much of Encore Viewer (which is the "cheap" user version) to pass an opinion on it.. I'm hoping for it's users sake it's more patient friendly.. :/

Kairosgrammy wrote:Ahhhhh. That's what I found for $99. It should be great software for the price they are asking. Apparently, they are afraid to tell you the price of encore pro. I couldn't find a price at least not on this brief search.

I have never seen Encore Pro priced to the public. It was designed for distribution to DME offices and doctor offices. Way back before I started therapy I think Encore Pro was sold to the public..DMEs squawked because Pro lets the users change the pressure via the software...gosh, like we couldn't figure out how to do it on the machine...anyway, they stopped selling Pro to the public and offered it only to the DMEs and such. Then they came up with Encore Viewer to satisfy the public demand for access to our data.
We can see the data but no way to change pressure using Viewer. Big whoopie. It is easier to change the pressure on the machine itself than it is to change it using Pro.

The $250 price was mentioned to me from someone who requested more information on Encore Pro. I got the impression that his DME had priced it at that amount. I have no idea for sure though. I have never been privy to what the DMEs have to pay for Pro.

So we have Encore Viewer available to the public for $99. I found it worthwhile when I first started therapy. I don't begrudge the $100 I spent because that was what was available at the time. I didn't even know Pro 1.8 existed. I have no idea what Pro 1.8 ever sold for. Viewer gave me the information I needed to see my titrated pressure was not optimal. Then it gave me the peace of mind that the therapy was at least optimal on paper while I struggled with other health issues that affected how I felt during the day and those health issues were unrelated to OSA.

Encore Viewer is overpriced in my opinion for the level of quality in the software as written. Especially so now that we have SleepyHead. But it is what it is and that is the way life goes.
What is sad is that 64 bit computer users often end up buying Viewer and nowhere is it mentioned that Viewer is 32 bit and doesn't play nice on 64 bit computers. People think they wasted their money and they are correct...they did unless they stumble on the work around for 64 bit computers.

The User Guide shows a sample of report for the PR. Could we see a sample report of what the S9 will show?

DoriC wrote:The User Guide shows a sample of report for the PR. Could we see a sample report of what the S9 will show?

It's going to look the same except machine name will be ResMed. Not any huge difference unless a specific graph is available on one machine and not another like ResMed Flow Limitation graph. ResMed only gives a graph for Flow limitation. Respironics will flag flow limitations in the Event Flag graph but won't give a special flow limitation graph.

Was there something special you were wondering about? I still have ResMed VPap data available and I could get you a screen shot of it.

Pugsy wrote:

Kairosgrammy wrote:Encore Viewer is overpriced in my opinion for the level of quality in the software as written. Especially so now that we have SleepyHead. But it is what it is and that is the way life goes.
What is sad is that 64 bit computer users often end up buying Viewer and nowhere is it mentioned that Viewer is 32 bit and doesn't play nice on 64 bit computers. People think they wasted their money and they are correct...they did unless they stumble on the work around for 64 bit computers.

I was glad to find sleepyhead and very thankful. I didn't want to spend $100 and from what you say, it is way not worth the money. And I hav3 64 bit and would have no clue what the workaround to that was.