FREEDOM From Apnoea And Cpap Machine !!!!!

Julie wrote:Mars has told you that just because you don't wake up gasping, etc. does not mean you don't have apnea! I would be curious to know what your oximeter says though. In any case, I imagine most of us here (as has been mentioned) did not wake up gasping, conscious of our events, and our only tip-offs were either bed partners or feeling so bad we were referred for testing. You haven't responded to suggestions that you get a new test and let us know how it goes, and I think that until you do, we are not going to be convinced of anything. Sorry.

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To answer your question how do I know that I am still not having apneas -

I have ceased to wake up choking completely or gasping for breath or have any feelings of suffocation while waking up or have any nightmares that I am being suffocated or waking up breathing heavy trying to recover from an apneic event or waking up trying to catch my breath ect ect
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kteague wrote:Chopper,
I am all for healthy breathing (whatever that means) and any other natural means to improve how our bodies function. I'd just like to suggest you develop these things in conjunction with your prescribed cpap treatment, then be retested further down the line. However, it can be hard to know which endeavor caused any improvement when trying numerous efforts at the same time, such as weight loss, a change in nutritional and/or supplement support, etc. I admit my first impression was that you are in some way affilated with Buteyko promotions, and that may be right, but I am wondering if your all-out enthusiasm for this new-to-you approach to your sleep apnea may just be you being you. Just out of concern for you as someone diagnosed with OSA, I sure would like to see you make this decision AFTER at least 6 months of therapeutic cpap treatment. I know from experience how decisions can look a lot different when made with a healthy (as much as possible) brain that is rested and oxygenated. I just wish you could as enthsiastically embrace cpap treatment. Over and over on here users have reported improvement in mood disorders and health issues such as hypertension and blood sugar problems, even being able to reduce the dosage of medication needed. Of course that won't be everyone, but what if it could be you? Consider that you are new to Buteyko, and even if it could be all good, you also could be a bit feeling a bit of placebo effect. I have nothing to gain by encouraging you to embrace cpap treatment. You have everything to gain (or lose) by whether you listen to voices of experience in the sleep apnea arena. Best wishes.
Kathy

robysue wrote:

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To answer your question how do I know that I am still not having apneas -

I have ceased to wake up choking completely or gasping for breath or have any feelings of suffocation while waking up or have any nightmares that I am being suffocated or waking up breathing heavy trying to recover from an apneic event or waking up trying to catch my breath ect ect
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I never, ever woke up choking or gasping for breath before being diagnosed with OSA.

I never, ever had had feelings of suffocation when waking up before being diagnosed with OSA.

I never, ever had a nightmare (or even a dream) where I was being suffocated before being diagnosed with OSA. [And I did dream frequently before starting CPAP, and remembered a fair number of my dreams. Most were good dreams.]

I never, ever woke up "breathing heavy trying to recover from an apneic event" before being diagnosed with OSA.

I never, ever woke up trying to catch my breath before being diagnosed with OSA.

I am NOT a mouth breather.

I also was NOT sleepy in the daytime and not particularly tired in the daytime. My joint pain and headaches were more than likely correctly diagnosed as moderate arthritis and migraines/TMJ/sinus/and stress related. There was medical evidence of these other diagnoses beyond my descriptions of the symptoms.

And yet, my baseline sleep study clearly shows that I have enough apneic episodes and hypopneic episodes to clearly fall into the category of "moderate sleep apnea."

Only a sleep study can truly determine if you really are no longer having any apneic or hypopneic events or so few of them that your sleep is no longer distrurbed.

Emilia wrote:I'd just like to point out to the OP that this forum is called CpapTalk... and we believe in this therapy. I suggest he, or the company he works for, start their own discussion forum called ButeykoTalk!

chopper999 wrote:

BlackSpinner wrote:

chopper999 wrote: says that Whereas most of its actions are involuntary, some, such as breathing, work in tandem with the conscious mind- see here for the brain explanation -

Note it says the conscious mind which is not what your sleeping mind is.

Yes Blackspinner I know that it says conscious mind and it is the conscious mind we are taught to use in our breathing exercises in Buteyko - we train our conscious mind to accept a reduced breathing pattern and also a higher uptake of CO2 among other things to effect the respiration rate of the brain while sleeping ideally to stop apnic events - Weather you believe any of this information is up to you.

Have a great day - I know I will - Chopper.

Breathe Jimbo wrote:I never awoke gasping for breath. I never had the other conscious symptoms described by chopper. I never had any idea that I might have been having apneas until my wife told me to get a sleep study after telling me that I stopped breathing. During my sleep study, I had no conscious awareness of apneas and no suspicion that I was having them, but my AHI was 59.6 -- one per minute. Therefore, the mere fact that chopper is no longer having such conscious symptoms does not mean he is no longer having apneas.

Chopper, I do not intend this as an ad hominem, but have you considered that you may be in the manic phase of your bi-polar disorder? That might make you think you are feeling a lot better and not having a troublesome AHI, when in fact you are not doing well at all. Just a thought. Have you spoken with your shrink about your excitement with Buteyko?

BlackSpinner wrote:

chopper999 wrote:

BlackSpinner wrote:

chopper999 wrote: says that Whereas most of its actions are involuntary, some, such as breathing, work in tandem with the conscious mind- see here for the brain explanation -

Note it says the conscious mind which is not what your sleeping mind is.

Yes Blackspinner I know that it says conscious mind and it is the conscious mind we are taught to use in our breathing exercises in Buteyko - we train our conscious mind to accept a reduced breathing pattern and also a higher uptake of CO2 among other things to effect the respiration rate of the brain while sleeping ideally to stop apnic events - Weather you believe any of this information is up to you.

Have a great day - I know I will - Chopper.

I feel like I am beating my head against a wall but for all the others reading this and thinking it might work:

FOR THE LAST BLOODY TIME the conscious mind IS NOT IN CHARGE WHEN YOU ARE ASLEEP!!!!!

billbolton wrote:

In another thread chopper999 wrote: First post - awaiting cpap study to get first cpap machine - Occupation - unemployed disabilty pensioner suffering mental illiness of {rapid re - cycling bi - polar 1 and schizoaffective disorder } to crazy in the head to work lol

Which provides some perspective on the reports above.....

chopper999 wrote:...ALL my outwards signs i.e. Waking up choking,gasping for breath,sufforcating dreams and waking up trying to breath many many times through the night have all disappeared...

chopper999 wrote:...I will breath thorough my mouth and my airways will collapse...

SleepingUgly wrote:There was a case study of a man cured of his apnea by using a chin strap only.

P.S. I'm not going to subscribe to this topic, but if Bill Bolton makes another comment like the one below, please someone summon me so I can verbally eviscerate him. Thanks.

billbolton wrote:

In another thread chopper999 wrote: First post - awaiting cpap study to get first cpap machine - Occupation - unemployed disabilty pensioner suffering mental illiness of {rapid re - cycling bi - polar 1 and schizoaffective disorder } to crazy in the head to work lol

Which provides some perspective on the reports above.....