COVID 19, CPAP, Ventilator MEGA THREAD...everything go here please

DreamDiver wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:31 am

First you immediately get tested for IgA (contagious now) and IgM (no longer contagious) antibodies. If you are contagious, for the next three weeks, or until you get a new test that says your positive for the IgM and not the IgA antibody, you should be entirely quarantined -- not even going out. Stuff should be delivered to you. And then your social contact data are related to others who may have also had close contact with you immediately, and they are also quarantined if they show positive for contagion on the immunoassay. You become part of the process for stopping the virus from spreading. Simple as that.

thank you. i wasn't aware of this level of testing.

this actually makes me feel better.

palerider wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:58 pm

And then there's other things to watch out for, if you love someone elderly:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/senior ... ctors-say/

from the article-

"Instead, seniors may seem “off” — not acting like themselves ― early on after being infected by the coronavirus. They may sleep more than usual or stop eating. They may seem unusually apathetic or confused, losing orientation to their surroundings. They may become dizzy and fall. Sometimes, seniors stop speaking or simply collapse."

in all seriousness, this can also be signs of dementia on up to alzheimer's.

zonker wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:37 am

palerider wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:58 pm

And then there's other things to watch out for, if you love someone elderly:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/senior ... ctors-say/

from the article-

"Instead, seniors may seem “off” — not acting like themselves ― early on after being infected by the coronavirus. They may sleep more than usual or stop eating. They may seem unusually apathetic or confused, losing orientation to their surroundings. They may become dizzy and fall. Sometimes, seniors stop speaking or simply collapse."

in all seriousness, this can also be signs of dementia on up to alzheimer's.

In this case, it can also be due to an embolism. Apparently Covid-19's hidden gem of a symptom is clots that float around until they form an embolism in the lungs, the brain, the intestines... Strokes, etc. It's affecting different age groups in different ways, and in many instances, it seems to come back to the blood clotting.

zonker wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:24 am

i understand greater good. but can someone explain to me the practical benefit i derive from knowing i have possibly become infected if there is no action to take past just knowing?

You do have an action choice...you may not like it or do it but you do have an action available.
If available...you could get tested for antibodies or active infection.

If testing isn't available you have a choice to be a responsible human and make an effort to self quarantine or take extra cautious measures should you venture out into the public. This action does potentially affect others.
Greater good choice so you don't hurt someone else....IMHO nothing is more important or practical than that.
Some people think only of themselves....some people actually think about other people before themselves. Society has always been that way....but now those people who think only of themselves can actually kill others at the same time they are only thinking of themselves.

We can't stop this virus yet and it may be quite a while before we can stop it...and we can't effectively treat it yet....so the only real weapon we have at this time is to try to reduce the spread as much as possible. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to reduce the spread and we don't all have to become hermits to do it. Common sense folks...common sense.

Hell...do you know what I did 3 weeks ago? I was going to WalMart and I saw an old woman walking home from WalMart trying to carry her 2 bags of groceries. She was obviously totally spent and having great difficulty putting one foot in front of the other.
As I passed her I saw her fall and then try to get up and gather up her spilled groceries and start walking again. First thought through my head was "Oh crap, I gotta help her and that means I might be exposing myself to something which might be a big mistake"....but I turned around and went back to her and asked her how far she had to go...it was at least 2 more miles. I told her to get in and I would give her a ride home. So I did...and went and did my shopping and came home and promptly disinfected all the areas of my truck that she touched. THEN I made a special point to not go to my mom's house for 2 weeks...and when I did go to the store (once a week) I made an extra effort to cover my face and not touch anything that I didn't put in my shopping basket for 2 full weeks. Just in case....

I saw 3 people drive by that old woman when she fell and was on the ground before I could get turned around and back to her...3 people didn't even bother to stop at all.

DreamDiver wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:49 am

zonker wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:37 am

palerider wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:58 pm

And then there's other things to watch out for, if you love someone elderly:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/senior ... ctors-say/

from the article-

"Instead, seniors may seem “off” — not acting like themselves ― early on after being infected by the coronavirus. They may sleep more than usual or stop eating. They may seem unusually apathetic or confused, losing orientation to their surroundings. They may become dizzy and fall. Sometimes, seniors stop speaking or simply collapse."

in all seriousness, this can also be signs of dementia on up to alzheimer's.

In this case, it can also be due to an embolism. Apparently Covid-19's hidden gem of a symptom is clots that float around until they form an embolism in the lungs, the brain, the intestines... Strokes, etc. It's affecting different age groups in different ways, and in many instances, it seems to come back to the blood clotting.

I just read this earlier. It's pretty crazy and yeah, they are seeing this in people in their 30's and onwards. In the article I read, a neurologist was treating the blood clots in one patient and actually saw new ones forming in real time.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... -patients/

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:47 am

You seem to be promoting one of the ridiculous talking points about the Navajos. Their resources are not any more scarce than the many tribes down in the valley who are doing just fine. The difference is it is COLD on the Navajo nation while it is hot in the valley. 105 this week. We have 21 recognized tribes (Papagos, Pimas, Hopi, Apache to name a few) and yet only 1 is struggling with the virus while ALL tribes are economically disadvantaged.

I know you think I parroted a republican talking point, but that is just not the case. The needs of the many come before the needs of a few is a very well know reference from Star Trek a very progressive show long before its time. This is not republican or democrat. It is about core beliefs. My core beliefs are clearly at odds with the new generations "me me me" attitude. That is not political. Maybe generational?

As for pro choice vrs pro life you have again fallen victim to the false talking points about republicans. I am pro choice, atheist and I have a college degree as do most of my friends and relatives. I have bragged on here more than once that my daughter has a masters of mechanical engineering as does her SO and btw he is hispanic. So if you happen to think all republicans are white middle age christian males who carry guns and have no education, then you have been very much deceived by the media.

Edited: Rereading my post I should make clear my daughter has the masters her SO has an engineering degree but it is not a Masters.

You missed my point entirely. I am neither a Democrat or a Republican and I have voted for people from both parties over the years. The spin coming from Trump and far right talking heads that you seem to repeat in many of your posts does not win any points with this independent voter. The argument presented by you and some Republican politicians before you that people should be willing to sacrifice their lives for the economic good of others, is neither selfless, noble, or moral.

I live in SW Colorado I'm very familiar with the Navajo Nation, the vast majority of the land is dessert, I've never heard the Navajo Nation being classified as somewhere with a cold climate. The Navajo Nation is tremendously medically undeserved, that is not simply a talking point it is a fact. It is a fact that the Navajo Nation covers over 27,000 square miles (approximately the size of West Virginia) and that vast area is served by a measly 12 medical facilities (some of which are small clinics). It is a fact that many Navajos suffering from Covid 19 have needed to be transported to cities such as Flagstaff and phoenix to receive a higher level of care. It is a fact that the Navajo Nation has 1600 cases and 59 deaths from Covid 19. It is a fact that the Navajo nation has the 3rd highest per capita rate of Covid 19 in the US, trailing behind New York and New Jersey. It is also a fact that many other Tribes and people of color have been disproportionately impacted by Covid 19. The horrible outbreak of Covid 19 that has devastated the Navajo people is believed to have originated at a single church rally that took place in early March. There is a lesson we can all learn from this. As some communities begin to open up we should all continue to exercise caution and not fool ourselves into believing that simply because temporary measures slowed the spread we can become complacent.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:59 am

zonker wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:24 am

i understand greater good. but can someone explain to me the practical benefit i derive from knowing i have possibly become infected if there is no action to take past just knowing?

You do have an action choice...you may not like it or do it but you do have an action available.
If available...you could get tested for antibodies or active infection.

If testing isn't available you have a choice to be a responsible human and make an effort to self quarantine or take extra cautious measures should you venture out into the public. This action does potentially affect others.
Greater good choice so you don't hurt someone else....IMHO nothing is more important or practical than that.

yeah, i could've been more careful in my wording there. i was more concerned by my misunderstanding that there was a lack of testing. i'm doing the right thing by sheltering in place save for that dog park, grocery shop and my daily walk.

i absolutely concur that we must flatten the curve. but i'm afraid that there are too many folks who want to return to work for this to have the impact that it could. i can only hope that staying at home is enough.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:59 am

I saw 3 people drive by that old woman when she fell and was on the ground before I could get turned around and back to her...3 people didn't even bother to stop at all.

i'd like very much to think that i would stop and help that woman should the opportunity present itself. but if i'm honest with myself, i really don't know.

but i'm awfully glad you did.

colomom wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:01 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:47 am

You seem to be promoting one of the ridiculous talking points about the Navajos. Their resources are not any more scarce than the many tribes down in the valley who are doing just fine. The difference is it is COLD on the Navajo nation while it is hot in the valley. 105 this week. We have 21 recognized tribes (Papagos, Pimas, Hopi, Apache to name a few) and yet only 1 is struggling with the virus while ALL tribes are economically disadvantaged.

I know you think I parroted a republican talking point, but that is just not the case. The needs of the many come before the needs of a few is a very well know reference from Star Trek a very progressive show long before its time. This is not republican or democrat. It is about core beliefs. My core beliefs are clearly at odds with the new generations "me me me" attitude. That is not political. Maybe generational?

As for pro choice vrs pro life you have again fallen victim to the false talking points about republicans. I am pro choice, atheist and I have a college degree as do most of my friends and relatives. I have bragged on here more than once that my daughter has a masters of mechanical engineering as does her SO and btw he is hispanic. So if you happen to think all republicans are white middle age christian males who carry guns and have no education, then you have been very much deceived by the media.

Edited: Rereading my post I should make clear my daughter has the masters her SO has an engineering degree but it is not a Masters.

You missed my point entirely. I am neither a Democrat or a Republican and I have voted for people from both parties over the years. The spin coming from Trump and far right talking heads that you seem to repeat in many of your posts does not win any points with this independent voter. The argument presented by you and some Republican politicians before you that people should be willing to sacrifice their lives for the economic good of others, is neither selfless, noble, or moral.

I live in SW Colorado I'm very familiar with the Navajo Nation, the vast majority of the land is dessert, I've never heard the Navajo Nation being classified as somewhere with a cold climate. The Navajo Nation is tremendously medically undeserved, that is not simply a talking point it is a fact. It is a fact that the Navajo Nation covers over 27,000 square miles (approximately the size of West Virginia) and that vast area is served by a measly 12 medical facilities (some of which are small clinics). It is a fact that many Navajos suffering from Covid 19 have needed to be transported to cities such as Flagstaff and phoenix to receive a higher level of care. It is a fact that the Navajo Nation has 1600 cases and 59 deaths from Covid 19. It is a fact that the Navajo nation has the 3rd highest per capita rate of Covid 19 in the US, trailing behind New York and New Jersey. It is also a fact that many other Tribes and people of color have been disproportionately impacted by Covid 19. The horrible outbreak of Covid 19 that has devastated the Navajo people is believed to have originated at a single church rally that took place in early March. There is a lesson we can all learn from this. As some communities begin to open up we should all continue to exercise caution and not fool ourselves into believing that simply because temporary measures slowed the spread we can become complacent.

The Navajo nation in Arizona is in the mountains. But yes you are correct the deaths are coming from there. Subtract that and the death toll of less than 300 for 7 million people looks even less scary. And btw I voted for Obama so accusing me of being hard core republican only makes you look insane. I didn't vote for either Bush nor am I political, most of the time I ignore politics. But I was against the patriot act and I am against phone tracking. Far right, Republican ideals? You know last time I checked it was democrats who used to be against spying on the public. What happened ?

As you can see from the map there are plenty of other big reservations. How come Navajo is the only one dying ? Never mind don't answer. Your mind is made up and poor oppressed people are dying because "Republicans". Its a racist republican virus. I'm done with this conversation and this thread. Bless your heart and have a great day as PR is so fond of saying.

zonker wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:08 pm

i absolutely concur that we must flatten the curve. but i'm afraid that there are too many folks who want to return to work for this to have the impact that it could. i can only hope that staying at home is enough.

There are ways to safely return to a new normal in terms of going out, going to work, going to play....if...big if...people would just do it with some common sense but I am afraid they won't. Case in point all those "free my state" protesters gathered without masks and sure as hell not 6 ft apart from each other. If they won't do it then...they won't do it when restrictions are lifted.

My sister was in the grocery store the other day and in the dairy products aisle. She saw some woman cough repeatedly...no mask...not even an effort to cover her mouth with her hands or elbow or whatever. There are a lot of really selfish people out there who simply don't care about anyone but themselves.

Here's the really sad part...those who go out and are maybe asymptomatic carriers or maybe just pre symptoms showing up....and they spread the virus and not know it (or god forbid simply don't care)...and an innocent person gets it and carries it to someone who is maybe very fragile health wise...and they die. Not unlike the drunk driver who walks away from the car wreck where everyone else died. The problem people aren't the ones taken out....just the innocents. Gripes my ass to no end.

And I am not advocating long term stay at home stuff either in case anyone is wondering. I am advocating a healthy dose of common sense though...unfortunately common sense is, and always has been, in short supply.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:44 pm

And I am not advocating long term stay at home stuff either in case anyone is wondering. I am advocating a healthy dose of common sense though...unfortunately common sense is, and always has been, in short supply.

common sense is no longer so common, it seems.

as i've said before, me and the "missus" are both introverts, despite my behavior here. it wouldn't bother us to stay in place as long as it would take. but it would drive other people nuts.

I don't really care what the official state or federal policy is, my wife and I started self isolation two weeks before stay at home edicts went out. I am at risk if I get the virus. I am over 70 years old, have asthma, and minor heart problems (AFIB and irregular heart rate). We will continue to self isolate for the immediate future and continue to use curb side pickup at the local grocery stores and Sam's Club.

At this point I just want to get a test to determine if I've had the virus...since January I have gotten sick a few times, and never learned anything about it. I'm willing to do my part staying away from others, but I know in a month or two things will start opening up again even if slowly.

zonker wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:37 am

palerider wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:58 pm

And then there's other things to watch out for, if you love someone elderly:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/senior ... ctors-say/

from the article-

"Instead, seniors may seem “off” — not acting like themselves ― early on after being infected by the coronavirus. They may sleep more than usual or stop eating. They may seem unusually apathetic or confused, losing orientation to their surroundings. They may become dizzy and fall. Sometimes, seniors stop speaking or simply collapse."

in all seriousness, this can also be signs of dementia on up to alzheimer's.

Yup, but that usually doesn't happen within a couple weeks, the point I got was to be on the lookout for emerging, *new* symptoms, that aren't just 'cough/fever, etc' as originally thought.

palerider wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:28 pm

zonker wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:37 am

palerider wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:58 pm

And then there's other things to watch out for, if you love someone elderly:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/senior ... ctors-say/

from the article-

"Instead, seniors may seem “off” — not acting like themselves ― early on after being infected by the coronavirus. They may sleep more than usual or stop eating. They may seem unusually apathetic or confused, losing orientation to their surroundings. They may become dizzy and fall. Sometimes, seniors stop speaking or simply collapse."

in all seriousness, this can also be signs of dementia on up to alzheimer's.

Yup, but that usually doesn't happen within a couple weeks, the point I got was to be on the lookout for emerging, *new* symptoms, that aren't just 'cough/fever, etc' as originally thought.

ah. true that.

in any event, this would be a good time to look in on older loved ones.

zonker wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:56 pm

in any event, this would be a good time to look in on older loved ones.

Aye, indeed, unless you're of the mindset that the old geezers should just hurry up and go SK.
(SK refers to the old morse code keys that were used to send morse code, so when a ham passes away, their key isn't used anymore, thus... Silent Key.)