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dream mapper reading charts

Post by Marcusstephen » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:50 pm

Hi All, Newbie here.
I will attach an image to see if Im reading the chart correctly. Below 5 in the AHI chart is ok? right or wrong?
My wisp mask seems to leak but i don't notice it.
Please let me know what you think? thanks in advance
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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by zonker » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:01 pm

Marcusstephen wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:50 pm
Hi All, Newbie here.
I will attach an image to see if Im reading the chart correctly. Below 5 in the AHI chart is ok? right or wrong?
My wisp mask seems to leak but i don't notice it.
Please let me know what you think? thanks in advance
Marcus
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welcome to the zoo! you'll find few people who use dream mapper to chart their therapy. but i'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell you about that.

the regulars here feel that below 5 just isn't good enough. one can actually feel better, mostly much better, if you can get that ahi below 2. but it does take some work.

mostly, the software program sleepyhead is used. it's not an app. it's an actually program used on either windows or mac. (i believe on linux, as well.) you might want to download it and start using it to track things. one of the best things about sleepyhead is posting charts here and having folks give advice.

you'll find it, along with other good bits of info, here-

viewtopic/t172378/Sticky--Newbies-PLEAS ... STING.html

please take the time to read it.

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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by bonjour » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:06 pm

I'll confirm that Sleepyhead does Linux as well.
What I like about Sleepyhead is that it gets down to a breath by breath view for the entire night when needed, much better data to evaluate how your are doing than the averages only view you get with Dream Mapper

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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by Marcusstephen » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:13 pm

:D
thank you all very much
i will give sleepy head a crack !!!!
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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by palerider » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:27 pm

Basically, dreammapper isn't good for anything that a quick glance at the front panel of the machine will tell you. It's not any good for improving your therapy.

Also, like Zonker says, 5 is "good enough, NEXT!" for doctors, but not very good treatment at all.

An AHI of 5 is like being poked with a sharp stick every 12 minutes, all night long...

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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by Marcusstephen » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:13 am

palerider wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:27 pm
Basically, dreammapper isn't good for anything that a quick glance at the front panel of the machine will tell you. It's not any good for improving your therapy.

Also, like Zonker says, 5 is "good enough, NEXT!" for doctors, but not very good treatment at all.

An AHI of 5 is like being poked with a sharp stick every 12.5 minutes, all night long...
thanks I will keep that in mind. Just noticed Sleepyhead hasn't been updated for macs since 2016 but i guess that doesn't matter.
I look forward to trying it.
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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by Marcusstephen » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:35 am

Took the great advice from people with funny names and downloaded sleepyhead.
Incredibly detailed information way above my head but Im hoping if any thing appears
that is concerning id love a response if any one has the time. But i understand if you don't.
best wishes Mark
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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by Pugsy » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:53 am

Your leaks are probably NOT horribly excessive. At least not as bad as SH is making them out to be.
Instead the statistic reporting the % of time in large leak is based on a ResMed calculation number and that number won't work for your Respironics machine.
Open SH and go to Preferences and then the CPAP tab. SH Defaults to a red line leak threshold of 24 L/min which is a ResMed leak number...won't work with your machine. Your red line threshold number is more like 75...so change the 24 to 75 or just turn off that statistic by removing the check mark.

Please don't do snippets...makes for more work for members to try to evaluate anything.
Do one nice clean image that has all the details in one image.
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Your settings point to apap trial mode as reported by SleepyHead but the statistics point to a fixed pressure being used.
The model 450 only had 30 days available in apap trial mode. I suspect you have used those up. You may be able to get more 30 day chunks by doing a total reset of the machine...erase all prior therapy data. I think those models allowed up to 5 resets and then you are stuck with fixed pressure mode forever with no ability to do any apap auto adjusting ranges despite what the settings might show.

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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by D.H. » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:51 am

The general rule is that a leak is problematic only when it is bothersome to you (or your bed partner), or if it is so excessive that is overwhelms the machine's ability to compensate for the leak.

However, a 65% mask fit (i.e. a 35% leak rate) sounds rather excessive! Remember, that this is the number coming from Respironics' own software!

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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by palerider » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:34 pm

Marcusstephen wrote:
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thanks I will keep that in mind. Just noticed Sleepyhead hasn't been updated for macs since 2016 but i guess that doesn't matter.
I look forward to trying it.
regards

Not unless you've got a machine that didn't exist back then... (almost all were around then).

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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by Marcusstephen » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:00 am

thank you Pugsy DH and Palerider.
I took your advice and adjusted the cpap flag leak settings to off.
I have a respironics 450p and a 561p. Both claim to be auto, however
I have noticed there is no longer the option for auto/manual just a fixed setting on both.
I used to be able to input a lower and higher setting. It appears it is no longer auto. :(
I am using a wisp mask which is quite compfortable although it appears to leak from time to time.
I am attaching the chart so would be interested in any opinions.
best Mark
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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by Pugsy » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:18 am

The most recent report is from the PR S1 Pro model 450...and it appears to have reverted to fixed pressure only.
The pressure graph looks weird...it shows fixed at 13 for a while then nothing after 4:30 but there is definitely other data showing after 4:30. I don't know what to make of it but looks like it is acting up or SleepyHead is acting up.

Now the 561 PR S1....that's an auto capable machine and I am unsure why it won't let you go to Auto mode on it.
You might verify the mode that you have chosen...should be 2 choices available
Cpap mode
Auto Mode.

There might be an auto trial mode and that might be what you are in and in that mode you may have used up the auto days but you should be able to go to the regular auto mode and have it do the normal range of pressures with minimum and maximum.

You can do the reset thing on both machines and see if it fixes your issues.
What you have to do is go into the Info area and find "erase data"...explain in the manual but I think you have to hold down the buttons for 5 or 10 seconds until it beeps.
All prior therapy data will be erased though...but if you have it in your software and on the SD card it doesn't really matter if it is still on the machine or not.

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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by Marcusstephen » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:30 am

yes you're right i was able to place into auto mode in the 561so i have changed
back to this machine. I will attach the data tomorrow after a night using this one.
thanks Pugsy you're great help.
seems so weird and deceptive, to purchase an 'auto iq" machine and then find later that you only get
a 30 day trial mode. Anyway glad i now have the 561P
best Mark
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sleepyhead reading charts

Post by Marcusstephen » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:12 pm

Im attaching last nights chart from sleepyhead using the 560p.
about 3 hours into the night I got up for a pee and adjusted the min pressure
in 'auto' mode form 4 up to 8 which is evident in the chart.
Please let me know if I need to reorder the graphs.
thanks
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Re: dream mapper reading charts

Post by palerider » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:20 pm

Yes, you need to re-order your charts, see below.

And, looks like that was a needed improvement in settings.

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