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Pugsy wrote:The problem with the Foe list is self control...which is sort of why we all are having this discussion...people are short on the self control thing....

Another problem with a foe list is that the trolls often give harmful advice. Either advice that will actively harm someone, or advice that will get in the way of someone solving their CPAP problems.

Yes, I can let it slide and not take the effort to correct wrong information, but I feel the urge to help the victims of the trolls.

It's a bit like the whole purpose of this board. This board helps a lot of people because others take the time and effort to help counteract the lack of information or outright wrong information provided by the medical mafia.

I too, have gotten tired of fighting the same old misinformation or lack of information. I still try, but don't spend as much time as I used to. I tend to spend too much time on the board. I've been finding a better balance in my life lately.

Public forums, public issues.

If I participate here, I fully expect to get the good with the bad, and be strong enough, smart enough (lol) , patient enough, polite enough, to TRY and not get into dialogue with the trolls.

Toll, in web talk, is the evil doer. I think the TROLL picture, symbol, word, whatever, should be used to identify someone who, through their advice or actions, causes issues on this forum. If you get a troll symbol after your post, then we all know to ignore your information. Putting a troll after someones post with a ^ shows that YOU feel the person is just being a troll. No harm, no foul, just "buyer beware".

We need to self police the forum, and not ask for a super administer to try and run it. Then people start blaming the admin for nerfing posts and such.

To be quite honest with you all, this has been the most calm forum I have EVER been on. Try talking about what is the best airplane, or who does the best work, and see what other aircraft owners call you. It gets BRUTAL>

Good luck. I hope everyone takes a DEEP BREATH and gets back to normal.

My two cents is that the people here have been helpful especially Pugsy. The other is there is a lot of negative on here and what really got me and I even mentioned to my wife is the way people resonated to the only post by sleepy the apena dwarf. I know that when you write something it can seem harsher than you meant it to. The reply and post to the new member were so far out there I was beside myself. This is a person looking for genuine help and is in a bad place, this disease effects each of us differently and we all different complications. It made me not want to be associated with the group. I know I am a newbie and still have a lot to learn, and have this site to be a valuable resource, however we shouldn't respond in hateful ways and disrespectful ways for people looking for help. As I stated we are all affected differently by this disease and should not assume that everyone is the same.

It's nice if you are strong enough to just ignore the negativity, honestly. The problem comes when someone that really needs help and is not so tough, or at least presently, and they get blasted just because they posted something that someone else decided was too soft or they should have searched first. This isn't a nice "Have you tried searching the forum, here is how you do it" It's a total ripping apart, rude, blasting.

These are not external trolls, even though at times it may sure look like it, there are a few that seem to think that unmoderated means they can act and say anything they want, and they do just that, for pages and pages. Nothing to do at all with Sleep Apnea at all, which is the ONLY thing this forum is for.

sleepwiggler wrote:My two cents is that the people here have been helpful especially Pugsy. The other is there is a lot of negative on here and what really got me and I even mentioned to my wife is the way people resonated to the only post by sleepy the apena dwarf. I know that when you write something it can seem harsher than you meant it to. The reply and post to the new member were so far out there I was beside myself. This is a person looking for genuine help and is in a bad place, this disease effects each of us differently and we all different complications. It made me not want to be associated with the group. I know I am a newbie and still have a lot to learn, and have this site to be a valuable resource, however we shouldn't respond in hateful ways and disrespectful ways for people looking for help. As I stated we are all affected differently by this disease and should not assume that everyone is the same.

Would you please post a link to this thread? Thanks

R1200ST wrote:Public forums, public issues.

If I participate here, I fully expect to get the good with the bad, and be strong enough, smart enough (lol) , patient enough, polite enough, to TRY and not get into dialogue with the trolls.

Toll, in web talk, is the evil doer. I think the TROLL picture, symbol, word, whatever, should be used to identify someone who, through their advice or actions, causes issues on this forum. If you get a troll symbol after your post, then we all know to ignore your information. Putting a troll after someones post with a ^ shows that YOU feel the person is just being a troll. No harm, no foul, just "buyer beware".

We need to self police the forum, and not ask for a super administer to try and run it. Then people start blaming the admin for nerfing posts and such.

To be quite honest with you all, this has been the most calm forum I have EVER been on. Try talking about what is the best airplane, or who does the best work, and see what other aircraft owners call you. It gets BRUTAL>

Good luck. I hope everyone takes a DEEP BREATH and gets back to normal.

Hi R,

Thanks for participating I like your idea about the TROLL picture/ symbol also. We can ask members to come up with cartoon pics of trolls too.

Lucyhere wrote:

sleepwiggler wrote:My two cents is that the people here have been helpful especially Pugsy. The other is there is a lot of negative on here and what really got me and I even mentioned to my wife is the way people resonated to the only post by sleepy the apena dwarf. I know that when you write something it can seem harsher than you meant it to. The reply and post to the new member were so far out there I was beside myself. This is a person looking for genuine help and is in a bad place, this disease effects each of us differently and we all different complications. It made me not want to be associated with the group. I know I am a newbie and still have a lot to learn, and have this site to be a valuable resource, however we shouldn't respond in hateful ways and disrespectful ways for people looking for help. As I stated we are all affected differently by this disease and should not assume that everyone is the same.

Would you please post a link to this thread? Thanks

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=109957&p=1051806#p1051806

So I just read that entire thread and it is beyond me to understand what some were thinking. They make fun of someone with depression? Seriously? I just sat here for a full five minutes trying to understand what you have done. You harassed him off the forum, he even deleted his OP.

And you call yourselves human beings, animals have more understanding and compassion.

The OP is still there, so I'm not sure what you're referring to... what pg did you look at - I think that link went to pg 2 (of 3) but should have gone to 1. And to be fair, he(?) did not come back at all, even after the first page of perfectly 'nice' notes were written, so that's when the goofs began posting... not to excuse them, but this happens a lot too - someone new will show up saying they're in dire straits or whatever, a bunch of people will reply with valid (or at least good tries) help, but the OP is never heard from again, so then the nuttiness and meaness starts - a way of letting off steam maybe, a response to what was initially some tension around wanting to help someone in distress... childish, but not terrible (until it develops into that).

There's a difference between misinformation and personal attacks. Misinformation should not be allowed to go without contradiction) though it certainly can be polite and respectful contradiction. Posts remain forever, so misinformation will last forever if not corrected--politely. I'm learning to use phrases like "I respectfully disagree because..." Or "I read research that doesn't support the idea that ..." Better than my old approaches "What X said is not true" or "X is stupid"

Janknitz wrote:There's a difference between misinformation and personal attacks. Misinformation should not be allowed to go without contradiction) though it certainly can be polite and respectful contradiction. Posts remain forever, so misinformation will last forever if not corrected--politely. I'm learning to use phrases like "I respectfully disagree because..." Or "I read research that doesn't support the idea that ..." Better than my old approaches "What X said is not true" or "X is stupid"

The problem is that what I think is misinformation, someone else might think is valid and vice versa. For example, you and I don't think too much of statins and can find sites to support our position.

But other folks feel they work and can find supporting information for their point of view.

I do agree about being respectful and love the "I respectfully disagree" phrase.

So how do you resolve this?

Haven't read the thread that prompted this one. Didn't feel the need to as these type threads read pretty much alike and get rather predictable when you know the personalities. I bet someone was wondering when KTeague was gonna come along and ride straight down the middle. The baiters and the biters are no surprise. Personally, I prefer civility. But I have no delusion that anyone actually cares enough about what I prefer to alter their behavior to my comfort. We can't change others, we can only change ourselves. Hopefully the collective results of those individual efforts will mean an improvement in the environment here. I can't fault anyone who decides it is in their best interest to no longer expose themselves to these levels of toxicity. If I really thought as many people are combative as it appears, I'd probably be more affected. However, it's still my suspicion there aren't as many people involved in the infighting as it appears - you know, the old multiple identity thing purposed for pot stirring. At any rate, I dread the losses that might come out of this. Sad for the community.

SleepyEyes21 wrote:

R1200ST wrote:Public forums, public issues.

If I participate here, I fully expect to get the good with the bad, and be strong enough, smart enough (lol) , patient enough, polite enough, to TRY and not get into dialogue with the trolls.

Toll, in web talk, is the evil doer. I think the TROLL picture, symbol, word, whatever, should be used to identify someone who, through their advice or actions, causes issues on this forum. If you get a troll symbol after your post, then we all know to ignore your information. Putting a troll after someones post with a ^ shows that YOU feel the person is just being a troll. No harm, no foul, just "buyer beware".

We need to self police the forum, and not ask for a super administer to try and run it. Then people start blaming the admin for nerfing posts and such.

To be quite honest with you all, this has been the most calm forum I have EVER been on. Try talking about what is the best airplane, or who does the best work, and see what other aircraft owners call you. It gets BRUTAL>

Good luck. I hope everyone takes a DEEP BREATH and gets back to normal.

Hi R,

Thanks for participating I like your idea about the TROLL picture/ symbol also. We can ask members to come up with cartoon pics of trolls too.

I think your avatar is perfect.....every time we see what we feel is a troll we could post your avatar.