O.T.: Will We Ever Have Health Police?

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Re: O.T.: Will We Ever Have Health Police?

Post by roster » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:31 pm

...........
That's right ... greed is deep at the root of the healthcare problem.

.........
"Greed is at the root of the (fill in blank) problem."

I have heard this statement thousands of times since the economy turned sour last year. What practical meaning does it have? Of what use is it to repeat it over and over and apply it to various problems? Knowing that it is "Greed" causes you to take what action?

Is this like saying, "Sin is at the root of the (fill in blank) problem."?

What I understand so far, it is just a "motherhood statement" that adds nothing to discussions. Example of "motherhood statement": "People can drown in the ocean."


(Well for me it does add one thing.)
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Re: O.T.: Will We Ever Have Health Police?

Post by Muffy » Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:02 am

SaltLakeJan wrote:This is my apology to everyone one. I have no excuse for being so insensetitive and stupid. When I got up this morning and read my comments and the impact of what I had done hit me, I decided it was so egregious to the forum and its members that the only sacrifice I can make to show my sincerity is to withdraw from posting on Cpaptalk.com.
So anyway, I went to post in another thread this AM with a comment that began
Muffenstein would have wrote:Well, "IMHO", I think the problem is that you're the recipient of egregious dial wingin'.
but wanted to see how many people have used "egregious", because although I think it's a great word, I didn't want to use it if it was being overused or look like I was using it just to look cool (Only kidding!
The only reason people use words like "egregious" is to look cool! Otherwise, instead of saying "egregious to the forum and its members", they would simply say, "Boy, was that FS!")

Anyway, that brought me to this thread.

I believe the penalty for saying something FS (and what is "FS" is relative) is not "not posting", it's "more posting". Since this is clearly the mature thing to do, I am not only going to "not post" till you return, I'm going to hold my breath until you do.

Starting right now.

OK, wait on the breath thing, just so you know, I've got a great post ready, it's really going to help somebody, so you better post soon.

OK, starting now.

OK, one more thing, it has to do with algorithm stuff, so it's going to be really exciting!

OK, starting now for sure.

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Re: O.T.: Will We Ever Have Health Police?

Post by -SWS » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:02 am

Well, I already miss reading Jan's posts. No two ways about it...

Most importantly, if Jan refrains from posting then she can't help with my upcoming thread:
"Should the U.S. Pick an Official Religion and Formally Impose It?"
(My lead-in comment: Oh!! What a REALLY good idea! )

And you thought this thread was controversial...

Please come back to help with my upcoming thread, Jan! Thanks in advance!

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Post by roster » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:57 am

-SWS wrote: ........."Should the U.S. Pick an Official Religion and Formally Impose It?"
(My lead-in comment: Oh!! What a REALLY good idea! )

........
We already have an unofficial religion and a new season is getting ready to crankup. Football!

True story: It is nice to be old enough that no one takes punches at you anymore. Wednesday night I was at a loud bar in the artsty-fartsy section of town. There was a big table next to ours and the young loud mouth at the table kept exclaiming something like, "Can you imagine if Jerry Falwell or someone like him gets control of the country? What if Jerry Falwell gets control? Jerry Falwell .. blah blah ... Jerry Falwell."

I couldn't resist getting up and approaching the gentleman. "Sir, if Jerry Falwell gets control of the country, I personally am going to get down on my knees and vow to him to follow his every command. I suggest you do the same. ................ You see, Jerry Falwell has been dead a couple of years. Have a good evening."
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Re: O.T.: Will We Ever Have Health Police?

Post by DreamStalker » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:59 am

rooster wrote:
...........
That's right ... greed is deep at the root of the healthcare problem.

.........
"Greed is at the root of the (fill in blank) problem."

I have heard this statement thousands of times since the economy turned sour last year. What practical meaning does it have? Of what use is it to repeat it over and over and apply it to various problems? Knowing that it is "Greed" causes you to take what action?

Is this like saying, "Sin is at the root of the (fill in blank) problem."?

What I understand so far, it is just a "motherhood statement" that adds nothing to discussions. Example of "motherhood statement": "People can drown in the ocean."


(Well for me it does add one thing.)
Actions ... well it may cause some to go to town hall meetings to voice frustrations about everything except what the town hall meeting is meant to discuss ... like CEO salaries and the government socialization of religion.
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Post by Kiralynx » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:16 am

Actually, I'm concerned about something like this, myself.

The diet I follow is not the standard American diet -- but it also isn't what DOCTORS recommend. Meats, fresh vegetables, salads, nuts, hard cheeses, homemade yogurt, and healthy fats. It's the "healthy fats" that drive them nuts.

But I've seen the diet dictocrats at work. SCD parents have mentioned being forbidden to send anything to school for their children to eat that is homemade, because it MIGHT have something in it other kids are allergic to, and without a label, how would they know? But all the other kids are allowed to bring sugar and starch laden cr@p to eat because it has a LABEL, never mind that it will make the SCD kids really sick if they get some of it.

One size does not fit all.

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Re: O.T.: Will We Ever Have Health Police?

Post by WearyOne » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:23 am

Kiralynx wrote:
Actually, I'm concerned about something like this, myself.

The diet I follow is not the standard American diet -- but it also isn't what DOCTORS recommend. Meats, fresh vegetables, salads, nuts, hard cheeses, homemade yogurt, and healthy fats. It's the "healthy fats" that drive them nuts.

But I've seen the diet dictocrats at work. SCD parents have mentioned being forbidden to send anything to school for their children to eat that is homemade, because it MIGHT have something in it other kids are allergic to, and without a label, how would they know? But all the other kids are allowed to bring sugar and starch laden cr@p to eat because it has a LABEL, never mind that it will make the SCD kids really sick if they get some of it.

One size does not fit all.
You are so right. Eons ago, it seems now, I ran a daycare/preschool out of my home (wanted to stay home with my son instead of sending him to daycare!). These kids were toddlers and I watched them until they went to kindergarten. One little girl had an allergy to peanuts. She, even at that young age, knew not to take food from other kids and only to eat what she specifically brought or what I gave her. I had an EpiPen in case something did happen. Granted, I only had cared for 5 kids, but nothing ever happened.

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Post by robertmarilyn » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:03 am

I sent SaltLakeJan an email with both Muffy's and -SWS's posts copied in it so she will be able to see that the forum will fall apart without her posting in it. Muffy's holding her breath and -SWS is holding controversial religious stuff in his head and because of the boycott of posts if Jan doesn't end her exile millions of CPAPers are going to suffer as the forum slowly withers away. Not that I want her to feel bad or anything.

Seriously, she knows I want her to do what is best for her mental, emotional, and physical health at this time but we all have to break loose and be reckless now and then so maybe she'll risk hanging out with us on occasion. And I can stalk her using her email address.

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Post by WearyOne » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:12 am

robertmarilyn wrote:I sent SaltLakeJan an email with both Muffy's and -SWS's posts copied in it so she will be able to see that the forum will fall apart without her posting in it. Muffy's holding her breath and -SWS is holding controversial religious stuff in his head and because of the boycott of posts if Jan doesn't end her exile millions of CPAPers are going to suffer as the forum slowly withers away. Not that I want her to feel bad or anything.

Seriously, she knows I want her to do what is best for her mental, emotional, and physical health at this time but we all have to break loose and be reckless now and then so maybe she'll risk hanging out with us on occasion. And I can stalk her using her email address.

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I've PMed her as well. Hope she feels like coming back to posting soon! Image

Hear that, Jan?!?

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Post by Kiralynx » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:07 pm

WearyOne wrote:You are so right. Eons ago, it seems now, I ran a daycare/preschool out of my home (wanted to stay home with my son instead of sending him to daycare!). These kids were toddlers and I watched them until they went to kindergarten. One little girl had an allergy to peanuts. She, even at that young age, knew not to take food from other kids and only to eat what she specifically brought or what I gave her. I had an EpiPen in case something did happen. Granted, I only had cared for 5 kids, but nothing ever happened.
Pam,

Indeed. I think the thing which blows my brain circuitry on this is the idea that HOMEMADE food is inferior to storebought.

BTW, congrats on a creative way to stay home with your son until he was school age!

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Post by apnez » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:48 pm

Just for those Americans who believe that the Canadian health system is a nightmare and that Canadians are not happy with it. The latest poll on that subject (yesterday) shows that Quebec population has a 88% level of satisfaction and the global score for Canada is 86% (Nanos Research)...

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Post by roster » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:17 pm

apnez wrote:Just for those Americans who believe that the Canadian health system is a nightmare and that Canadians are not happy with it. The latest poll on that subject (yesterday) shows that Quebec population has a 88% level of satisfaction and the global score for Canada is 86% (Nanos Research)...
Any chance that 86% is the ones who are healthy and the 14% is the ones who have health problems?
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Post by BlackSpinner » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:48 pm

Any chance that 86% is the ones who are healthy and the 14% is the ones who have health problems?
Probably the other way around. Those 14% probably have undiagnosed OSA and get pissed when some doctor won't prescribe anti biotics for the flue.

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Post by Muse-Inc » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:56 pm

rooster wrote:...You see, Jerry Falwell has been dead a couple of years. Have a good evening."
Hilarious Rooster, just hilarious!
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Post by Muse-Inc » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:57 pm

DreamStalker wrote:...what the town hall meeting is meant to discuss ... the government socialization of religion.
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