FREEDOM From Apnoea And Cpap Machine !!!!!

[chopper999]

G'day Anonymous - Thanks for the reply to answer your question did I go on a Cpap machine - 'NO'

I suffered from severe sleep apnoea sometimes waking up by jumping 3 feet in the air from a sleeping position gasping for breath anyway to cut a long story short I have just completed a 5 day course here in Australia called the Butekyo breathing method - here is the live link - http://www.buteykohealth.com.au/ - There is a fantastic video on this website explaining the Beteyko course and why we suffer from apnoea and how to fix it without cpap or drastic surgery.

As you will read the method was discoved by a Russian doctor and claims - "Freedom from...

Sleep Apnoea, Asthma,
Snoring, Nasal problems

And other conditions

.... By solving the root cause...."

All I can tell you is I am 8 days into my treatment and have had a 100% reduction of active sleep apnoea symptoms by that I mean - No choking at night, no suffocating and 6 to 9 hours sleep per night with only 3 to 4 wakings during the night but able to go back to sleep by practising one of the breathing methods I learned in the 5 day course.

You will also learn on this course HOW TO COME OFF YOUR CPAP MACHINE.

What
Butekyo promise is a 95% chance of not ever needing a cpap machine or Surgery - By the way I was at my wits end over my apnoea and was contemplating a severe surgery option {A hole in my throat} so I could breath.
This operation could have costed me my voice as well.

Here also is a website about the doctor that discovered this answer –

http://www.buteykocenterusa.com/buteyko_asthma.html#a4

I would have to say this is the greatest gift I have been given in my life. - Have a great day Chopper

[Julie]

Buteyko is not news to the forum at all. For the people who've actually mastered it, some do well, but many do not. It is difficult and not necessarily effective for everyone. I suggest you get yourself a new sleep study to have an impartial (and scientific) view of whether or not you're really 'cured' vs just caught up in the technique.

[chopper999]

Buteyko is not news to the forum at all. For the people who've actually mastered it, some do well, but many do not. It is difficult and not necessarily effective for everyone. I suggest you get yourself a new sleep study to have an impartial (and scientific) view of whether or not you're really 'cured' vs just caught up in the technique.

G'day Julie - When you say that the Buteyko method is difficult to master are you speaking from personal experience as one who has completed the 5 day course and then found it too difficult to do the breathing exercises or are you just making an assumption ' That it is too difficult"

I was trapped in a living hell because of my severe sleep apnoea and I found learning and practising the Butekyo breathing exercises a piece of cake but even more fantastic was the discovery that it actually worked for me - as mentioned before I am currently MAJOR symtom free. - My GOD do you know what that feels like - I have been released from my own personal hell without a shadow of doubt.

Here is some more info you might find interesting -

When you are asleep the airways are more relaxed and so they are more likely to vibrate, making the snoring sound if you breathe too forcefully.

They are also prone to collapsing when the upper airways are narrowed because the forceful breathing creates a stronger vacuum in the lungs than gentle breathing does. This greater vacuum allows ordinary atmospheric air pressure to suck your tongue back and to collapse the relaxed, narrowed airway when you inhale forcefully.


The Buteyko method teaches how too correct the breathing rate back closer to the normal correct rate. This results in the correct balance of carbon dioxide and oxygen. The airways will stay open naturally.

Currently mechanical or surgical intervention attempts to keep the airways open artificially. These include laser surgery, cutting of the soft palate, expensive dental devices or CPAP machines. 90% of people who learn Buteyko to retrain their breathing today do so for poor Sleep mainly sleep apnoea and snoring …


HAVE A GREAT DAY Julie - I know I will FREE at last. Thank GOD!

[Breathe Jimbo]

A good review of the scam called Buteyko Breathing Technique has been done by Science-Based Medicine at http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2550.

There is not one shred of evidence that it will treat obstructive sleep apnea.

Even the presenter in the video cited by chopper says NOT to stop using CPAP until observed breathing during sleep confirms the absence of apneas (and hypopneas). The only reliable observed breathing is a sleep study. One searches in vain for any such sleep study anywhere; not even one.

[Janknitz]

6 to 9 hours sleep per night with only 3 to 4 wakings during the night

Hmmm, sounds like apnea to me. People without apnea can generally sleep all night without waking every few hours. You might want to get a new sleep test to confirm before you go crowing about how well the method is working.

There's nothing wrong with Buteyko per se. When you are awake and can actively engage in the breathing patterns, it could be very helpful. But you have no business claiming it has "cured" your apnea without the data to prove it. If you are wrong and others stop using their CPAPs to follow your lead, you are responsible for their consequences.

So put your money where your mouth is. Get another sleep study and post the results before and after.

[Breathe Jimbo]

I'm watching/listening to the intro seminar video in another window. The presenter just said that a sleep apnea event is the body's attempt to stop overbreathing and thereby INCREASE our absorption of oxygen, i.e. apnea = more oxygen absorption. Junk science?

[jlk]

I love my machine too much to give it up! jlk

[billbolton]

First post - awaiting cpap study to get first cpap machine - Occupation - unemployed disabilty pensioner suffering mental illiness of {rapid re - cycling bi - polar 1 and schizoaffective disorder } to crazy in the head to work lol

Which provides some perspective on the reports above.....

[chopper999]

6 to 9 hours sleep per night with only 3 to 4 wakings during the night

Hmmm, sounds like apnea to me. People without apnea can generally sleep all night without waking every few hours. You might want to get a new sleep test to confirm before you go crowing about how well the method is working.

There's nothing wrong with Buteyko per se. When you are awake and can actively engage in the breathing patterns, it could be very helpful. But you have no business claiming it has "cured" your apnea without the data to prove it. If you are wrong and others stop using their CPAPs to follow your lead, you are responsible for their consequences.

So put your money where your mouth is. Get another sleep study and post the results before and after.

G'Day Janknitz - people can make up their own minds on weather or not to check out the Buteyko breathing Methods for their apnoea I am just a messenger there was no bigger skeptic than me before I started the course - but boy was I desperate man so I ponied up the fee and did the course and I have now gone from waking up 20 times min a night either with sufforcating feelings or totally blocked airways gasping for breath and dreadful feelings of anxiety to scared to fall back a sleep not to mention also the nightmares of someone choking me in my sleep only to wake up choaking for air - ALL THIS TO -
* No Choking
* No Nightmares
* No Anxiety
* No Sufforcating
* No Toally Blocked Airways
* NO numerous trips to the bathroom to urinate
* If I do wake up during the night I am not suffering any of the above symtoms or heavy breathing.
Ect Ect

http://www.buteykohealth.com.au/index.p ... &Itemid=36

Watch the video above on the website if you need more info. -

p.s. You said - { There's nothing wrong with Buteyko per se. When you are awake and can actively engage in the breathing patterns, it could be very helpful. }

* My answer is that's just it - by doing the Buteyko breathing excerises in the day you RE-SET the brains subconscious breathing pattern and this spills over into your night time sleeping pattern - you then start to become symtom free - AT LEAST i HAVE ANYWAY.

On the issue of the Buteyko curing my sleep apnoea I will say this unless you learn how to breath through your nose at all times and not your mouth you will continue to suffer sleep apnoea symtoms - the way to learn to overcome breathing through your mouth at nightime is to tape your mouth shut with a piece of tape thus if I went for another sleep study to confirm my results { THEY WOULD BE NEGATIVE } as I would be sure to show signs of sleep apnoea breathing forcefully through my mouth as this would cause my upper airways to collapse because the forceful breathing creates a stronger vacuum in the lungs than gentle breathing does. This greater vacuum allows ordinary atmospheric air pressure to suck your tongue back and to collapse the relaxed, narrowed airway when you inhale forcefully.

Take this for what it is worth but I know one thing for sure - I am FREE - It takes about 4 to 6 weeks for the Buteyko method to really kick in although they claim to be able to get you off your cpap in as little as 1 week.

Have a great day I know I will - Choppper.

[Zeke351]

Troll...IMHO

[chopper999]

First post - awaiting cpap study to get first cpap machine - Occupation - unemployed disabilty pensioner suffering mental illiness of {rapid re - cycling bi - polar 1 and schizoaffective disorder } to crazy in the head to work lol

Which provides some perspective on the reports above.....

G'day Billbolton - Thanks for your ad hominem comment my mental illness is under control via medication - ya know what they say if you have not got anyting nice to say - why say anything at all.

[chopper999]

I tell you what I will do I will keep posting my sleeping pattern results and sleep apnoea Symptoms on the this thread day by day or week by week if you prefer cause the way I see it I am either in recovery from this condition and symptom free or I am not in recovery and still living in an apnoea HELL.

I will say this I certainly don't feel like I did 8 to 9 days ago - peace and love to all mankind - Chopper.

[Goofproof]

I think that record for length of DeNile south of the equator. I know the drains run the wrong way but!!! Jim

[chopper999]

Troll...IMHO

I thought that was a scary monster that lives under a bridge - I am a human being fellow sleep apnoea sufferer WHO has found a way out of his own sleep apnoea HELL -

Have a great day I know I will - Chopper.

[jonquiljo]

expensive dental devices or CPAP machines

CPAP machines are cheap - a concept that isn't lost on most of the members of this board. You can buy a CPAP machine these days for the cost of a few massages (if you stay away from a DME). And they keep monitoring you - rather than use dogma and bed partners to make sure you aren't choking yourself to death.