Canadians Being Truthful About Socialistic Medical Care

Reading the posts from these gents writing from "down here" wherever that may be, I was beginning to feel like Peter Fonda and Dennis Hopper riding through Louisiana in Easy Rider.

But then I really got the shivers when I thought of Jon Voight, Burt Reynolds, Ned Beatty and Ronny Cox down in the Cahulawassee River Valley in Deliverance.

So I've decided to sign off for the night, much as I hate to miss such a well-argued intellectual debate.

Best wishes, Nate

I did not read that post. I dont have the patience to wade thru all that statistics stuff. I can read fine, I just choose not to actually read a lot of posts because they are so long winded and are opinions more than anything else. I just scanned over RobySue's post. I just scan a lot of posts. I do not have the patience to actually sit and read neverending rants and opinions of most people on here.

If it actually has to do with CPAP therapy, I will probably read it. But in all honesty, some of the people on here post books, not posts. Patience is an issue there.

Eric

ems wrote:

SuddenlyWornOut45 wrote:I suppose after obama is gone and Americans eventually return to normalcy and elect some reasonably conservative elected leadership, ...

Eric

Hilary... Hilary C... you'd better get here and fast! SWO wants to elect some reasonably conservative elected leadership. Thing is... the poor man can't read - didn't understand one word of Robysue's post. He needs help! When you win the election in 2016, maybe you can give him a hand.

BlackSpinner wrote:

SuddenlyWornOut45 wrote:The American welfare system encourages having babies out of marriage. In minority welfare circles its way worse. But the practice is even spreading to Caucasian welfare families. It is sick and Im tired of paying for it and know tons more Americans who are FED UP with it.

Eric

You know you are basically spouting idiocy out of your arsehole. Talk about being brainwashed. You are not even capable of reading stats. It is like reading a word generator. Or the Onion. That is it you are just a joke site robot.


Nobody could be that stupid.

+1

Romney's comments clearly disabled his campaign but, to be fair, is there really no problem when the number of people in the US who don't pay any federal income tax is almost 50% and keeps growing? A huge and growing dependent class may be good for the Democrats but it can't be good for the country. Is there anyone here who really doesn't believe that generous entitlements can discourage initiative and are ultimately harmful to some people? People on social assistance lose a dollar of welfare assistance for every dollar earned discouraging them from taking the only jobs that may be available to them because they would be working for nothing. People should always come out ahead after a days work. The tax system should be used to ensure that work is always financially rewarding, encouraging people to try to become independent. No country on Earth spends more money than the US on social programs of all kinds but, 50 years after LBJ's War on Poverty, there has emerged a culture of dependency or partial dependency in the US that simply didn't exist before. I don't have the solution but I suspect it won't be to just continue increasing entitlement spending while vilifying business and capital and driving out the real investments needed to create jobs, wealth and prosperity for all.

SuddenlyWornOut45 wrote:I did not read that post. I dont have the patience to wade thru all that statistics stuff. I can read fine, I just choose not to actually read a lot of posts because they are so long winded and are opinions more than anything else. I just scanned over RobySue's post. I just scan a lot of posts. I do not have the patience to actually sit and read neverending rants and opinions of most people on here.

If it actually has to do with CPAP therapy, I will probably read it. But in all honesty, some of the people on here post books, not posts. Patience is an issue there.

Eric

Pot, meet kettle.

SuddenlyWornOut45 wrote:I did not read that post. I dont have the patience to wade thru all that statistics stuff. I can read fine, I just choose not to actually read a lot of posts because they are so long winded and are opinions more than anything else. I just scanned over RobySue's post. I just scan a lot of posts. I do not have the patience to actually sit and read neverending rants and opinions of most people on here.

Ah, the "Don't confuse me with facts!" stance - the ultimate defence of the truly ignorant.

America did not used to have a federal income tax. It originally was started to help fund major wars the USA was involved in and was supposed to go away after the war was over with. After it was all over the federal income tax has remained. I do not blame any American who is smart enough, sophisticated enough and wealthy enough to legally get out of paying all income tax, both federal and state.

I actually admire and look up to individuals such as that. They are essentially telling the government, "I work hard for my money, I am going to keep it for myself, my family and my offspring. And screw the government." Thats the way America was originally set up and it should go back to being like that.

Eric

SleepyBobR wrote:Romney's comments clearly disabled his campaign but, to be fair, is there really no problem when the number of people in the US who don't pay any federal income tax is almost 50% and keeps growing? A huge and growing dependent class may be good for the Democrats but it can't be good for the country. Is there anyone here who really doesn't believe that generous entitlements can discourage initiative and are ultimately harmful to some people? People on social assistance lose a dollar of welfare assistance for every dollar earned discouraging them from taking the only jobs that may be available to them because they would be working for nothing. People should always come out ahead after a days work. The tax system should be used to ensure that work is always financially rewarding, encouraging people to try to become independent. No country on Earth spends more money than the US on social programs of all kinds but, 50 years after LBJ's War on Poverty, there has emerged a culture of dependency or partial dependency in the US that simply didn't exist before. I don't have the solution but I suspect it won't be to just continue increasing entitlement spending while vilifying business and capital and driving out the real investments needed to create jobs, wealth and prosperity for all.

I would like to see what your life would be like without taxes having been used to do roads, help out farmers, pay people to regulate your lights and power and police and quality control of goods, and schools, courts, etc. etc. Are you suggesting your own federal government was set up to be socialist from the beginning? I mean if everyone has (theoretically anyhow) equal access to those things, what's so different about medical care - a basic, apolitical, universal need... unless of course you believe in allowing people to suffer (narrowing the pool of all workers) unless they can pay for it?

Or is this note too long for your short attention span?

SleepyBob: concerning 50% who supposedly don't pay federal income tax: yes, I got a refund last year...because I OVERPAID my federal income tax via payroll tax. So, yes, I most certainly do pay federal income tax, that's taken out of my paycheck. My guess is that Romney doesn't get a paycheck like most workers, and so doesn't understand how payroll taxes work.

Julie wrote:I would like to see what your life would be like without taxes having been used to do roads, help out farmers, pay people to regulate your lights and power and police and quality control of goods, and schools, courts, etc. etc. Are you suggesting your own federal government was set up to be socialist from the beginning? I mean if everyone has (theoretically anyhow) equal access to those things, what's so different about medical care - a basic, apolitical, universal need... unless of course you believe in allowing people to suffer (narrowing the pool of all workers) unless they can pay for it?

Or is this note too long for your short attention span?

LOL It is called Somalia. But he doesn't want to go there - truth confuses him.

When did farmers ever need government help? Farmers are supposed to be the most independent group of people out there. I should know as half my family are ex farmers. Thats where a lot of my attitudes and beliefs ultimately came from...tobacco farmers.

I am not denying the need for some taxes, Julie. The need for a certain amount of taxes is obvious and normal. One of our country's founding fathers, Benjamin Franklin once said, "the two things guaranteed in life are death and taxes." He was being semi-sarcastic and funny even, but its true.

The issue down here is TOO MUCH taxation. Its out of hand down here. Too much taxation makes it where the government takes so much of people's earned income that it starts to eventually erode the incentive to even work anymore. If there is nothing in work for you, why bother working? That is what the "big government" espoused by obama and similar leftist democrats believe in. Its all about how big they can get the government.

Why am I arguing with you, though? Youre a Canadian socialist who is part of the British Commonwealth. And all the British Commonwealth countries are socialist economies nowadays. Arguing with someone like you is like arguing to Karl Marx that free enterprise is good. Go ahead and pay those big taxes, be a doormat for your government. You just dont get it and you never will get it because of the way you were raised and the type of government you are used to.

Eric

Julie wrote:I would like to see what your life would be like without taxes having been used to do roads, help out farmers, pay people to regulate your lights and power and police and quality control of goods, and schools, courts, etc. etc. Are you suggesting your own federal government was set up to be socialist from the beginning? I mean if everyone has (theoretically anyhow) equal access to those things, what's so different about medical care - a basic, apolitical, universal need... unless of course you believe in allowing people to suffer (narrowing the pool of all workers) unless they can pay for it?

Or is this note too long for your short attention span?

Always pushing the "Im a victim" idea onto people, huh socialist blackspinner? Whoa is me, I need the government to fight off these wealthy people because I cant take care of myself." LMAO

Eric

BlackSpinner wrote:[quote="Julie"

Or is this note too long for your short attention span?

LOL It is called Somalia. But he doesn't want to go there - truth confuses him.

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Hegel, according to the IRS, almost half of Americans filing tax returns owe (and pay) no federal tax. Of course this doesn't include people like you who overpaid and received a refund. That has nothing to do with it.

This isn't intended to condemn these people - they pay no federal income tax because they don't earn enough. Some don't earn anything. In fact many such people have refundable tax credits which mean they actually pay negative income tax and get back more than they put in. It is what it is. At some point you have more people in the wagon than pulling it and that clearly is not sustainable. Both of our countries are reaching that point.

Also, I haven't condemned taxes. Government must be funded but when taxes are increasingly used for redistribution of wealth instead of for infrastructure, defense, schools and the like, those paying the freight will start to balk. Every time. Nothing new here. Surely we can agree that taxpayers deserve to have their money spent wisely by the governments that take it from them.

SuddenlyWornOut45 wrote:II just scanned over RobySue's post. I just scan a lot of posts. I do not have the patience to actually sit and read neverending rants and opinions of most people on here.

But you do have the time and patience to post long, never ending rants and opinions of your own.

And by the way, there was NOTHING in that particular my post that was a rant. It was a list of FACTS from a rather objective site specializing in statistics. I did point out that some of those facts have multiple and diametrically interpretations based on politics.

If it actually has to do with CPAP therapy, I will probably read it. But in all honesty, some of the people on here post books, not posts. Patience is an issue there.

Almost NOTHING on this thread pertains directly to CPAP therapy and the origninal post in the thread had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with CPAP. The original post was nothing but a lightly disguised and unwarranted attack on Canadian health care by an American who does not have to use it and has no experience with it.

SWO45, Canada is not a socialist country. The government does not own the means of production. There is no central planning of the economy. Prices and wages aren't set by the government. People are free to invest and start businesses and much of that investment comes from outside the country. As for the size and scope of government, look in the mirror. The US is getting close to Eurozone levels, well beyond what we have here in Canada. In my opinion Canada is over governed but socialist it isn't. In fact, you'd probably prefer our current Prime Minister to your President. He is a conservative and I'm guessing that BlackSpinner and Julie can't stand him.

Have you ever even been here?
Maybe you should get out more.