Canadians Being Truthful About Socialistic Medical Care

"If the GOP takes the Senate back in 2014 and both parts of the Senate are then GOP controlled, serious dirt to amount to a high crime(s) WILL be found on obama. No doubt."

Yeah in the real world you actually have to back up statements like this with facts. Exactly how has Obama committed high crimes and misdemeanors? Surely you have examples? What are they?

A lot of tea party types are living in a highly ideological fantasy world, I'm afraid, which is the worst kind. Might as well live in a pleasant fantasy world if you must; one that involves cupcakes and puppies, for instance. But no, the Mad Hatter rules our Tea Party!

I live in Manitoba where all Health Care is financed through general tax revenues with no additional health premiums. All I can say is thank you very much as all my CPAP requirements are fully paid for including new masks , headgear and all necessary accessories once every year. Whatever some moron wants to say about our system feel free to go right ahead. Yes there are certain procedures where there are longer wait times then we might like but there is never going to be a perfect system.

hegel wrote:"If the GOP takes the Senate back in 2014 and both parts of the Senate are then GOP controlled, serious dirt to amount to a high crime(s) WILL be found on obama. No doubt."

Yeah in the real world you actually have to back up statements like this with facts. Exactly how has Obama committed high crimes and misdemeanors? Surely you have examples? What are they?

A lot of tea party types are living in a highly ideological fantasy world, I'm afraid, which is the worst kind. Might as well live in a pleasant fantasy world if you must; one that involves cupcakes and puppies, for instance. But no, the Mad Hatter rules our Tea Party!

I agree, Obama has not apparently committed any high crimes and misdemeanors that could lead to his impeachment but I don't believe Eric speaks for the Tea Party movement when calling for or predicting his impeachment. I see nothing about that on the Tea Party web site.

Its not just the Tea Party types who would badly like to see obama impeached, its a huge number of mainstream GOP people. And of course the Tea Party is not going to publicize such desires on their website, as doing that would basically be an accusation that obama has committed criminal activity.

Many Americans believe that obamacare in itself is evidence enough of criminal activity...hard to explain, but many Americans believe that, basically. Additionally, many Americans believe obama has severely abused executive privileges, oftentimes going around the legislative branch when he cannot get something he wants. That is not the way this country was set up to work and it is severely irritating a ton of GOP and Tea Party types. Its even irritating some moderate democrats.

This country right now is split, I mean SPLIT. Somewhere around half want to go the socialistic route, the other half just wants to go back to being the United States of America. Many of the people who want to go the socialistic route are people in America who do not work and traditionally, historically have not been voters. Such as minorities living on welfare (huge number of Americans there) and people on disability or other major types of government entitlements. Unfortunately, this crowd, who contribute ZIP to American society, do not pay taxes other than sales tax when they buy retail goods or gasoline for their cars... are allowed to vote. This portion that has been the part of America that has made obama elected only cares about maintaining their beloved entitlements, for which they believe they are "entitled" to. Whole generations of Americans have now grown up on these federal and sometimes state government welfare programs and know nothing else but welfare. They think they are "entitled" to such programs.

Most entitlement programs such as welfare, medicaid, foodstamps and so on were originally created by FDR in the thirties as a last ditch, safety net. For people who have suffered some kind of awful, devastating life event and are either unable to find a job or unable to work due to severe illness. Welfare was simply created to prevent such Americans from freezing to death in the winter or starving to death. That is all. It was NEVER originally intended to become a "lifestyle" for whole generations of Americans. But a "lifestyle" is EXACTLY what it has become for many, many Americans...unfortunately. And they know nothing else and are terrified of losing their entitlement lifestyle.

A lot of Americans who work for a living despise paying taxes to keep up this demographic's "welfare state lifestyle." I mean, there are tons of Americans who absolutely DESPISE paying taxes when they know a bunch of their tax money is going to be paying for lazy people on welfare who have no desire to work, paying for their foodstamps and medicaid...it makes many working Americans want to puke.

America...51% of Americans working hard and paying taxes to pay for the other 49% of Americans who are living on the welfare doles and doing jack diddly and dont pay taxes. That is what is causing the problem down here.

Eric

SleepyBobR wrote:

hegel wrote: I agree, Obama has not apparently committed any high crimes and misdemeanors that could lead to his impeachment but I don't believe Eric speaks for the Tea Party movement when calling for or predicting his impeachment. I see nothing about that on the Tea Party web site.

Nate,

Please remember that our Goofy broken system was created by and is still driven by a tax policy envisioned as a way to side step WWII era government wage and price control policy.

I think that this opinion piece summarizes the challenges policy makers face quite well <http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/12/ ... =obnetwork>. To paraphrase Health Care can be Universal and/or Comprehensive and/or Affordable but in a world with limited resources picking any two automatically blocks the third one. It's economics 101.

Nate, if you disagree with the economics outlined above, prove it by picking me up in your Lear and we'll fly off to Stockholm to get your Nobel.

The reality is that ALL health care systems "ration" Health Care, as they can not afford to do otherwise. No matter what the policy makers do, the market WILL balance the equation and the solution WILL be unfair (to someone). It's our call whether the decisions will be made a 6 person government committee or by the collective decision making of 300M consumers.

Again, no matter what the policy makers do the market WILL balance the equation and with limited resources the solution WILL be unfair.

Here's a real world example of what we have to look forward under if the US government substantially increases its stake in the Health Care Market. It's a functioning fully operational model that is directly relevant to the current policy discussion.

In 1986 Roy Romer the newly elected Democratic Governor of Colorado is credited with saying that given Human ingenuity and inventiveness, sooner or later we were going to create medical procedures that society couldn't afford, and he dated that to the 1960's when the private Health Insurance Industry successfully lobbied Congress to take over Kidney Dialysis, because they, the private Insurers couldn't afford it.

So how has that worked out? Flash forward 40 years to <http://www.propublica.org/article/dialy ... ory-so-far>

"Dialysis holds a special place in U.S. medicine. In the 1960’s, it was the nation’s signature example of rationing, an expensive miracle therapy available only to a lucky few. A decade later, when Congress created a special entitlement to pay for it, dialysis became the country’s most ambitious experiment in universal care.

Today, dialysis is a lifeline for almost 400,000 Americans. Yet, despite massive expense by U.S. taxpayers, Americans endure some of the worst outcomes for dialysis care in the industrialized world. One in five patients dies each year. Those that survive often grapple with frequent hospitalizations and poor quality of life."

Do you really think the advocates of reform of dialysis delivery in the US would want to use their system as a model? Sadly this is exactly how the US government does things, our government's constrained, it simply can not behave any differently. Note: I'm not bashing government workers, I'm bashing the inherent limitations of big government. If the Federal government can not get a relatively simple, straight forward Dialysis program focused on 400,000 Americans working properly after 40 years, there is absolutely and unequivacly no way it can handle Dialysis plus Cancer plus Cardiac Disease plus Apnea plus COPD plus Diabetes plus Dental Work and on and on and on, for 300,000,000 Americans. We can, it can not.

SuddenlyWornOut45 wrote:…

A lot of Americans who work for a living despise paying taxes to keep up this demographic's "welfare state lifestyle." I mean, there are tons of Americans who absolutely DESPISE paying taxes when they know a bunch of their tax money is going to be paying for lazy people on welfare who have no desire to work, paying for their foodstamps and medicaid...it makes many working Americans want to puke.

America...51% of Americans working hard and paying taxes to pay for the other 49% of Americans who are living on the welfare doles and doing jack diddly and dont pay taxes. That is what is causing the problem down here.

Eric

Yes, the Romneys and CEOs of this country have done a g-r-e-a-t job making many of you folks "down (t)here" believe that is "the problem", Eric. So stay tuned (to Faux News)! Once you vote those folks' hired hands back into power, they'll let you stand under their trickle again, and all will be right with the USA.



Regards, Nate

To hell with the Romney's of America, as well. That dude is pro-gun control. Fuck Romney.

See, thats the thing man. Both of the two major political parties in America nowadays are FUBAR and the vast majority of Americans are fed up with both. The exception are those on the fringe left, who will always cling to the democratic party. And the corporate right, who will always cling to the GOP. The thing is, combined, those two groups comprise a minority of voters in America.


Something is going to replace the GOP, Im not sure what will. But anybody who has lived in the USA and not had their head bashed with a 2 by 4 can see the GOP is on its way out as a major party.

Im thinking something along a Tea Party, strict constructionist Constitutional party replacing the GOP. And civil war thereafter. Fighting between those who want America to remain a Constitutional limited Republic. And the leftists in this country, who want to see America move farther left and basically towards socialism. And ultimately controlled from China and/or Russia...this Vladimir Putin in Russia is nothing but an old time KGB officer and Russian lawyer trained in Soviet style law.

It might not be the "tea party," but Im thinking its going to be something along that line. The Tea Party and mainstream GOP dont really like each other or get along well. A lot of current era GOP guys are called RINOs here, or Republican In Name Only. New Jersey's Chris Christie comes to mind as a CLASSIC RINO GOP guy. Lip service Republicans..."oh yeah, sure I am conservative." Blah blah blah...yeah right about as conservative as a brainwashed 21 year old University student who's been fed the leftist spiel by their professors for two or three years. And bought it, hook line and sinker.

It all depends on IF the GOP takes back the Senate next year. And on how the economy goes in the next year or two. And how obamacare goes. If obamacare is not ironed out and fixed soon and the economy does not take off to a rip roaring good economy in the next year here, the GOP will take the Senate back in 2014. If that happens, obama will get impeached for something in 2015/2016 and it that will lead to civil strife and emergence of a conservative replacement party for the GOP by 2016.

It will happen real fast, like what happened in Fall 2008, early 2009, it will come out of nowhere.

Eric

SuddenlyWornOut45 wrote:A lot of Americans who work for a living despise paying taxes to keep up this demographic's "welfare state lifestyle." I mean, there are tons of Americans who absolutely DESPISE paying taxes when they know a bunch of their tax money is going to be paying for lazy people on welfare who have no desire to work, paying for their foodstamps and medicaid...it makes many working Americans want to puke.

America...51% of Americans working hard and paying taxes to pay for the other 49% of Americans who are living on the welfare doles and doing jack diddly and dont pay taxes. That is what is causing the problem down here.

Eric

You've never been poor, have you?

No, not poor but not rich either. Just raised correctly and raised with a respect regarding work. And a respect towards being independent and I was taught one of the worst things that can happen to a person is to become dependent upon the government. I was raised to believe becoming dependent upon the government (welfare) is right up there with being convicted of a crime and sent to prison, death, or being sent to a mental institution. Being on welfare is in the same category as those three, I was taught growing up.

My Mommy and Daddy taught me to 1) never use recreational, illegal drugs and 2) dont ever, ever become financially dependent on the government.

Eric

idamtnboy wrote:

SuddenlyWornOut45 wrote:A lot of Americans who work for a living despise paying taxes to keep up this demographic's "welfare state lifestyle." I mean, there are tons of Americans who absolutely DESPISE paying taxes when they know a bunch of their tax money is going to be paying for lazy people on welfare who have no desire to work, paying for their foodstamps and medicaid...it makes many working Americans want to puke.

America...51% of Americans working hard and paying taxes to pay for the other 49% of Americans who are living on the welfare doles and doing jack diddly and dont pay taxes. That is what is causing the problem down here.

Eric

You've never been poor, have you?

You've never been poor, have you?

Cry me some crocodile tears.

I grew up very poor on a rundown farm in a poor rural area. Lived in a rundown farmhouse with a privy 100 yards from the house in the edge of the woods. No insulation in the house and my brothers and I slept in a room without heat.

Had a coal heater in one room and a kerosene (yes, kerosene) cook stove in the kitchen.

Fell in the creek one night and had to go to elementary school the cold next morning wearing jeans that were still damp. I only owned this one pair of pants to wear to school.

Widowed mother with six of us to take care of. When I was eleven mom broke down and went away. Brothers and I were divided up and raised by poor relatives.

Learned when I was 14 that people would pay you for working. Educated myself, advanced and later went to college at night to get the silly "credentials".

So very happy that there was no government there to coddle me. I may have turned out to be another welfare basket case feeling sorry for myself.

Don't like being poor? Move, work your butt off and show everyone respect.

A sad state of affairs we have come to today.

BTW, mother eventually worked out her problems and when we boys were adults we all made peace. One of the brothers bought a piece of land with two houses and mom lived beside him in the smaller house and enjoyed her grandchildren until she died this summer at 92.

Feeling sorry for the poor? Help them find a job.

People don't need help to find jobs, they need jobs to be able to work at! And just because (Eric) you grew up being told how terrible welfare was, doesn't make that right! Many people through no fault at all of their own have ended up for even a short time on welfare, and I dare you to tell me you wouldn't take it if it was the ONLY option open at a given time to feed your children with.

What is it that makes you think everyone loves being broke and frowned at and treated like garbage because they're at a bad time in their lives? You were lucky, good for you, but that doesn't mean you get to treat the rest of the world like crap or that the 'other' people are not deserving of help when needed (I thought your church would have taught you that). And making sure your neighbours have basic g-d care, following passage of a bill through a gov't constitutionally made up of TWO (not one) parties, doesn't make the one party 'right' and doesn't make the other party socialist! What blatant tripe.

Bingo. Too many Americans these days who have been brainwashed that they should feel sorry for themselves and "the government" should be taking care of them. And that they cannot take care of themselves.

I agree, these people need to be made to get off their lazy asses and made to learn to work. And get off the taxpayer welfare doles. Im fffing sick and tired of it all and know a ton more Americans who feel the same way. Im also sick and tired of turning on my American TV set and seeing dufus obama telling America "things should be fair." Life aint fair. Fuck obama. Fuck all these "life should be fair" people. Fuck all these people who dont want to work and think they are entitled to stuff working taxpayers provide for them.

Eric

Hang Fire wrote:

You've never been poor, have you?

Cry me some crocodile tears.

I grew up very poor on a rundown farm in a poor rural area. Lived in a rundown farmhouse with a privy 100 yards from the house in the edge of the woods. No insulation in the house and my brothers and I slept in a room without heat.

Had a coal heater in one room and a kerosene (yes, kerosene) cook stove in the kitchen.

Fell in the creek one night and had to go to elementary school the cold next morning wearing jeans that were still damp. I only owned this one pair of pants to wear to school.

Widowed mother with six of us to take care of. When I was eleven mom broke down and went away. Brothers and I were divided up and raised by poor relatives.

Learned when I was 14 that people would pay you for working. Educated myself, advanced and later went to college at night to get the silly "credentials".

So very happy that there was no government there to coddle me. I may have turned out to be another welfare basket case feeling sorry for myself.

Don't like being poor? Move, work your butt off and show everyone respect.

A sad state of affairs we have come to today.

BTW, mother eventually worked out her problems and when we boys were adults we all made peace. One of the brothers bought a piece of land with two houses and mom lived beside him in the smaller house and enjoyed her grandchildren until she died this summer at 92.

Feeling sorry for the poor? Help them find a job.

Anyone in America that will take a shower, comb their hair, put on clean clothes, show up on time, do the simple things that are asked, and treat people respectfully can get a job, hold that job and get promoted or find a better job. Anyone who tells you different is a bleeding-heart socialist out of touch with reality. Or a politician promising goodies so you will vote for him.

Oh, I did not have to be "told" welfare is horrible. Ive driven through bad neighborhoods where most people are on welfare and seen the results myself. Dependency on the gubmint leads to protracted poverty, the entitlement mentality and creates a weak race of people.

As far as myself, yeah I will "dare" and tell you flat out that I'd shoot myself in the head before I'd go apply for welfare. I'd take unemployment or Social Security, as those I paid into and are bona fide taxpayer "safety nets." I'd even go on Social Security disability if I was disabled. But as for actual welfare, just living off the government, for me its a bullet thru my head before I would succumb to that. Death before being dishonored.

You are just a Canadian socialist who things you are entitled to "free stuff." That is an abomination and is shameful.

Eric

Julie wrote: And just because (Eric) you grew up being told how terrible welfare was, doesn't make that right! Many people through no fault at all of their own have ended up for even a short time on welfare, and I dare you to tell me you wouldn't take it if it was the ONLY option open at a given time to feed your children with.

What is it that makes you think everyone loves being broke and frowned at and treated like garbage because they're at a bad time in their lives? You were lucky, good for you, but that doesn't mean you get to treat the rest of the world like crap or that the 'other' people are not deserving of help when needed (I thought your church would have taught you that). And making sure your neighbours have basic g-d care, following passage of a bill through a gov't constitutionally made up of TWO (not one) parties, doesn't make the one party 'right' and doesn't make the other party socialist! What blatant tripe.

Yep.

And too many politicians in America these days have socialist leanings. And labor unions are getting strong in the USA again, for the first time since Reagan in the eighties. These people need to be dealt with and made impotent, they are poisoning Americans with their leftist, marxist, "life is not fair" and "Im entitled to free stuff" attitudes.

Eric

Hang Fire wrote:Anyone in America that will take a shower, comb their hair, put on clean clothes, show up on time, do the simple things that are asked, and treat people respectfully can get a job, hold that job and get promoted or find a better job. Anyone who tells you different is a bleeding-heart socialist out of touch with reality. Or a politician promising goodies so you will vote for him.