OT: a-better-way-to-test-for-sleep-apnea

Todzo wrote: I am not avoiding the cost issue I am going for it's throat. How about a 100 year moratorium on medical patents for example.

Because that would totally encourage innovation by the inventors of medical devices.

Drowsy Dancer wrote:

Todzo wrote: I am not avoiding the cost issue I am going for it's throat. How about a 100 year moratorium on medical patents for example.

Because that would totally encourage innovation by the inventors of medical devices.

Currently many of us use SleepyHead. After I started using SleepyHead I quickly lost interest in my $100.00 investment in commercial software. SleepyHead shows minute volume calculations and allows full zoom on flow data. I need that to monitor my CPAP effectiveness.

SleepyHead is Open Source Software. The Source Code is open to all – to add to – to use pretty much as they wish. The author did not get rich. He wrote it because he wanted to get better, enjoys a technical challenge, and loves to help people when he can. He was able to build this tool using the Open Source Software provided by many previous over many years previous who wrote their code to build the best code for us all.

I remember when Firefox (an open source browser) came on the scene. IE was bloated and would not block pop ups! The development team had been mostly shut down for years. Then, all the sudden, with Firefox on the scene it was like the IE team got a kick in the pants they needed. IE got better because the other development path became active. For me I use Firefox most of the time currently using IE only for some business purposes. IE, with Norton – if unused otherwise – I think – is pretty secure.

I believe that currently the political/legal environment fosters greed (raises costs – e.g. many common cheap drugs are being patented driving what was cheap to be ridiculously expensive!!!), impedes development (I will prevent your product so I can sell mine at high cost e.g. the in lab Polysomnogram) and so moves the quality of service lower and lower over the years.

We need to come together to become the “Open Source” influence and so kick the rich and greedy in the pants so they will change.

Giving drugs so people can sleep for a ridiculously expensive sleep test and then calling that sleep test a “Golden Standard” is ridiculous and insulting. So lets stop putting up with that!!

So Todzo, who have invented an alternative to laser cataract surgery for free?

49er

Todzo wrote:

Drowsy Dancer wrote:

Todzo wrote: I am not avoiding the cost issue I am going for it's throat. How about a 100 year moratorium on medical patents for example.

Because that would totally encourage innovation by the inventors of medical devices.

Currently many of us use SleepyHead. After I started using SleepyHead I quickly lost interest in my $100.00 investment in commercial software. SleepyHead shows minute volume calculations and allows full zoom on flow data. I need that to monitor my CPAP effectiveness.

SleepyHead is Open Source Software. The Source Code is open to all – to add to – to use pretty much as they wish. The author did not get rich. He wrote it because he wanted to get better, enjoys a technical challenge, and loves to help people when he can. He was able to build this tool using the Open Source Software provided by many previous over many years previous who wrote their code to build the best code for us all.

I remember when Firefox (an open source browser) came on the scene. IE was bloated and would not block pop ups! The development team had been mostly shut down for years. Then, all the sudden, with Firefox on the scene it was like the IE team got a kick in the pants they needed. IE got better because the other development path became active. For me I use Firefox most of the time currently using IE only for some business purposes. IE, with Norton – if unused otherwise – I think – is pretty secure.

I believe that currently the political/legal environment fosters greed (raises costs – e.g. many common cheap drugs are being patented driving what was cheap to be ridiculously expensive!!!), impedes development (I will prevent your product so I can sell mine at high cost e.g. the in lab Polysomnogram) and so moves the quality of service lower and lower over the years.

We need to come together to become the “Open Source” influence and so kick the rich and greedy in the pants so they will change.

Giving drugs so people can sleep for a ridiculously expensive sleep test and then calling that sleep test a “Golden Standard” is ridiculous and insulting. So lets stop putting up with that!!

49er wrote:So Todzo, who have invented an alternative to laser cataract surgery for free?

49er

Todzo wrote:

Drowsy Dancer wrote:

Todzo wrote: I am not avoiding the cost issue I am going for it's throat. How about a 100 year moratorium on medical patents for example.

Because that would totally encourage innovation by the inventors of medical devices.

Currently many of us use SleepyHead. After I started using SleepyHead I quickly lost interest in my $100.00 investment in commercial software. SleepyHead shows minute volume calculations and allows full zoom on flow data. I need that to monitor my CPAP effectiveness.

SleepyHead is Open Source Software. The Source Code is open to all – to add to – to use pretty much as they wish. The author did not get rich. He wrote it because he wanted to get better, enjoys a technical challenge, and loves to help people when he can. He was able to build this tool using the Open Source Software provided by many previous over many years previous who wrote their code to build the best code for us all.

I remember when Firefox (an open source browser) came on the scene. IE was bloated and would not block pop ups! The development team had been mostly shut down for years. Then, all the sudden, with Firefox on the scene it was like the IE team got a kick in the pants they needed. IE got better because the other development path became active. For me I use Firefox most of the time currently using IE only for some business purposes. IE, with Norton – if unused otherwise – I think – is pretty secure.

I believe that currently the political/legal environment fosters greed (raises costs – e.g. many common cheap drugs are being patented driving what was cheap to be ridiculously expensive!!!), impedes development (I will prevent your product so I can sell mine at high cost e.g. the in lab Polysomnogram) and so moves the quality of service lower and lower over the years.

We need to come together to become the “Open Source” influence and so kick the rich and greedy in the pants so they will change.

Giving drugs so people can sleep for a ridiculously expensive sleep test and then calling that sleep test a “Golden Standard” is ridiculous and insulting. So lets stop putting up with that!!

Well in my case nasal corticosteroids were clouding my eyes and reading told that they often do cause cataracts. So I stopped using the nasal corticosteroids and then used anti-inflammatory foods and eucapnic breathing to reduce nasal inflammation and so saved the run to the cataract surgeon.

Reduced costs and hassle indeed!!

Todzo wrote:

49er wrote:So Todzo, who have invented an alternative to laser cataract surgery for free?

49er

Todzo wrote:

Drowsy Dancer wrote:

Todzo wrote: I am not avoiding the cost issue I am going for it's throat. How about a 100 year moratorium on medical patents for example.

Because that would totally encourage innovation by the inventors of medical devices.

Currently many of us use SleepyHead. After I started using SleepyHead I quickly lost interest in my $100.00 investment in commercial software. SleepyHead shows minute volume calculations and allows full zoom on flow data. I need that to monitor my CPAP effectiveness.

SleepyHead is Open Source Software. The Source Code is open to all – to add to – to use pretty much as they wish. The author did not get rich. He wrote it because he wanted to get better, enjoys a technical challenge, and loves to help people when he can. He was able to build this tool using the Open Source Software provided by many previous over many years previous who wrote their code to build the best code for us all.

I remember when Firefox (an open source browser) came on the scene. IE was bloated and would not block pop ups! The development team had been mostly shut down for years. Then, all the sudden, with Firefox on the scene it was like the IE team got a kick in the pants they needed. IE got better because the other development path became active. For me I use Firefox most of the time currently using IE only for some business purposes. IE, with Norton – if unused otherwise – I think – is pretty secure.

I believe that currently the political/legal environment fosters greed (raises costs – e.g. many common cheap drugs are being patented driving what was cheap to be ridiculously expensive!!!), impedes development (I will prevent your product so I can sell mine at high cost e.g. the in lab Polysomnogram) and so moves the quality of service lower and lower over the years.

We need to come together to become the “Open Source” influence and so kick the rich and greedy in the pants so they will change.

Giving drugs so people can sleep for a ridiculously expensive sleep test and then calling that sleep test a “Golden Standard” is ridiculous and insulting. So lets stop putting up with that!!

Well in my case nasal corticosteroids were clouding my eyes and reading told that they often do cause cataracts. So I stopped using the nasal corticosteroids and then used anti-inflammatory foods and eucapnic breathing to reduce nasal inflammation and so saved the run to the cataract surgeon.

Reduced costs and hassle indeed!!

And what about people who didn't take meds, ate a healthy diet, and still got cataracts?

49er

When thinking about costs, keep in mind that volume not only decreases costs to the consumer (sleep labs, in this case), but it drives disruptive competitive innovation as well. Which drives cost down.

RogerSC wrote:When thinking about costs, keep in mind that volume not only decreases costs to the consumer (sleep labs, in this case), but it drives disruptive competitive innovation as well. Which drives cost down.

I really believe that if:

xPAP therapy were monitored – by smart algorithm (constantly) – by the patient through software which would represent the issues of obstruction and breathing stability in an easy to see way (several times a week) – by the doctor (as flagged by the smart algorithm or watchful patient).

Issues of obstruction thus flagged would be promptly taken care of -

Issues of breathing stability and carbon dioxide maintenance were thus flagged and promptly taken care of -

Titration was thus ongoing -

That then xPAP therapy would then start to consistently work for most people.

That there would be many less “sour experiences” that people have and tell of regarding the usability of xPAP therapy.

That then people would flock to xPAP therapy.

So we would have the numbers for mass production!! So the costs would come down.

I really believe that the main thing holding back xPAP therapy is the Sleep Medicine community. Shame on them!!

RogerSC wrote:When thinking about costs, keep in mind that volume not only decreases costs to the consumer (sleep labs, in this case), but it drives disruptive competitive innovation as well. Which drives cost down.

Last year I caught up with an old friend from high school. He was still in the telecommunication industry.

While his buddies were doing the same old same old, his curiosity drove him to study networking and fiber. So when the many many millions of dollars of telecommunication switching equipment which did things in the same old same old way were quickly replaced by networking and fiber technologies he rapidly became extremely valuable and his buddies were kept on for a brief period to remove the old equipment.

I think that in this case the flood of many more people getting a now effective treatment would result in everybody having much to do. I think that it would expand sleep medicine and our economy by making many more people productive.

49er wrote:
And what about people who didn't take meds, ate a healthy diet, and still got cataracts?

49er

Why do I have the feeling you are simply trying to distract me?

Todzo wrote:

49er wrote:
And what about people who didn't take meds, ate a healthy diet, and still got cataracts?

49er

Why do I have the feeling you are simply trying to distract me?

Hmm, it seems that anyone who doesn't agree with your positions has ulterior motives. Anyway, I was trying to point out why it was important not to discourage medical innovation and that self treatment doesn't always avoid having to undergo surgery.

49er

49er wrote:

Todzo wrote:

49er wrote:
And what about people who didn't take meds, ate a healthy diet, and still got cataracts?

49er

Why do I have the feeling you are simply trying to distract me?

Hmm, it seems that anyone who doesn't agree with your positions has ulterior motives. Anyway, I was trying to point out why it was important not to discourage medical innovation and that self treatment doesn't always avoid having to undergo surgery.

49er

One of the big problems here is that our law structure sees corporations as individuals - so - there is sufficient power to limit the innovation of the individual person. We need to break that. We need to change the structure. What used to foster innovation is now limiting it!!!

So perhaps we do need a moritorium or two!!

I think that we have too often and way too much made greed our only motivator here. I am sick to death of that. There are people like myself who simply want to help. I think we need to find ways of limiting greed and fostering compassion.

I do regard those I meet on the internet as suspect. If I knew you face to face for a time it would be differant. That is not the case and some of the things you do here make me wonder.

Tozdo, between this thread and the "rainout" thread, in my opinion you have reached your limit of insults today.

oak wrote:Tozdo, between this thread and the "rainout" thread, in my opinion you have reached your limit of insults today.

I actually removed my comment in the "rainout" thread before I saw any response or this post.

Where have I been insulting in this thread - please explain.

As well there are many insults directed at me in this thread - please take those people to task.

Thanks!

Todzo

the others didnt insult you, they questioned you. you made personal attacks here and in the other thread. and none of it is helping the original poster with their problem or question. nuf said. i am outta here..

49er wrote:

mollete wrote:

Todzo wrote:http://www.usnews.com/science/articles/ ... leep-apnea

Really keeping ahead of the curve there, Turdzo:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46457&p=417232&hili ... 00#p417232

Come on Mollete, you're better than that. You don't need to be insulting other forum members.

49er

For Oak - please see if you can get the person to apologise!

Thanks

Todzo