CPAP Basics - 4

-SWS wrote:

mollete wrote:Except for TMOAT.

Ah, those were the days!

Amen, brother!

OMG, I can't believe I actually understood one of your acronyms!

Hello All,

Many thanks to everyone chiming in!

Denial Dave raises such a great issue, not that anyone else's is less important in the slightest, but what does a person do with high pressures? Anything above 15, and I see such difficulty and struggle in patients trying to contain that amount of air. In my own experience working with others, either we have to loosen the bubble design mask or crank down on a Fisher Paykel product.

One of the things I have noticed is that there are quite a few sleep lab experts monitoring and commenting on these posts. As a side note, we really have to give those people who do that job and incredible amount of credit. Here they stay up all night long making sure the masses get better rest.

Have a great evening!

Jim

SleepingUgly wrote:

-SWS wrote:

mollete wrote:Except for TMOAT.

Ah, those were the days!

Amen, brother!

OMG, I can't believe I actually understood one of your acronyms!

And then followed TBILOTMOAT.

Maybe Panda will turn into TSILOTMOAT.

-SWS wrote:

mollete wrote:Except for TMOAT.

Ah, those were the days!

Amen, brother!

Well, you know what Tom Jones said (or was it Nero Wolfe)(no he was a fiddler)(or an inventor)(maybe he invented the fiddle)(seemed like there was a point there)(oh well, what's another couple thousand neurons. The rest of 'em will just have to paddle harder).

SleepingUgly wrote:

-SWS wrote:

mollete wrote:Except for TMOAT.

Ah, those were the days!

Amen, brother!

OMG, I can't believe I actually understood one of your acronyms!

SWS or SU, Please!! I promise I won't tell anyone! I guessed one awhile ago but I couldn't possibly share it! Is this one of those??

Dori, if you find out, will you please PM me? I'm feeling so left out!

TMOAT = The Mother Of All Threads, not sure about TBILO or TSILO...

OK Porete, I'm putting you in charge of the Research Dept! Someone has to do it!

porete wrote:TMOAT = The Mother Of All Threads, not sure about TBILO or TSILO...

The Brother and Sister of All Threads, perhaps?

Close, Drowsy Dancer!

TMOAT=The Mother Of All Threads
TBILOTMOAT=The Brother-In-Law Of The Mother Of All Threads
TSILOTMOAT=The Sister-In-Law Of The Mother Of All Threads

The above acronyms are all Dave's creation, of course.

With all due respect Jim, you didn't address his concerns.

49er

SleepWellCPAP wrote:Hello All,

Many thanks to everyone chiming in!

Denial Dave raises such a great issue, not that anyone else's is less important in the slightest, but what does a person do with high pressures? Anything above 15, and I see such difficulty and struggle in patients trying to contain that amount of air. In my own experience working with others, either we have to loosen the bubble design mask or crank down on a Fisher Paykel product.

One of the things I have noticed is that there are quite a few sleep lab experts monitoring and commenting on these posts. As a side note, we really have to give those people who do that job and incredible amount of credit. Here they stay up all night long making sure the masses get better rest.

Have a great evening!

Jim

jnk wrote:My assumption was that Mollete might be considering a critical review of someone's "pamphlet," a review that might or might not contain extensive quotation of the copyrighted work.

I would never, of course, encourage such a thing, myself, especially not on the Internet--unless, of course, ALL the principles of fair use were FULLY respected.

And that is (among other things) precisely what I did.

I read:

How to Tolerate CPAP Therapy for Your Sleep Apnea by Robert Dawkins PhD MPH

and

Sleep Well & Feel Great with CPAP, A Definitive Guide by Jim Swearingen

one right after the other, and my review is that Sleep Well & Feel Great with CPAP, A Definitive Guide is sophomoric, incomplete, ineffective as opposed to definitive and a waste of money even at $4.95 (which is only available to cpaptalk members as opposed to the general public (for obvious reasons)(which equally obviously flies in the face of really wanting to help people).

OTOH, How to Tolerate CPAP Therapy for Your Sleep Apnea , is written by a professional with infinitely far more knowledge, tons more content (seriously-- it took me twice as long to read it), the information is meaty instead of superficial SOS on burnt toast and would prove to be a far better work as a tool to achieve effective xPAP therapy in entry level users.

In addition, it's price is $4.95 for everybody at Amazon, so "IMHO" this is a guy that truly wants to help people (OK, me and Bobby may have brisk discussions in the past, but high grade steel is tempered by fire, TP is consumed).

Mollete,

I haven't read Jim's book but I did purchase Hawkins' book last year and for some reason, I mostly put it aside. Anyway, I just reread the section on nasal congestion and it is excellent.

I really like the fact that he understands that even with wearing a full face mask, it can be difficult to wear under certain circumstances when you have this congestion.

And he is a cpap user himself which I think makes all the difference in the world. I really despise anyone who hasn't put a mask on themselves for at least a week, giving advice to a group like this in the manner that he has.

49er

PS - Thank you for mentioning this book. I am going to have to start reading it.

mollete wrote:

jnk wrote:My assumption was that Mollete might be considering a critical review of someone's "pamphlet," a review that might or might not contain extensive quotation of the copyrighted work.

I would never, of course, encourage such a thing, myself, especially not on the Internet--unless, of course, ALL the principles of fair use were FULLY respected.

And that is (among other things) precisely what I did.

I read:

How to Tolerate CPAP Therapy for Your Sleep Apnea by Robert Dawkins PhD MPH

and

Sleep Well & Feel Great with CPAP, A Definitive Guide by Jim Swearingen

one right after the other, and my review is that Sleep Well & Feel Great with CPAP, A Definitive Guide is sophomoric, incomplete, ineffective as opposed to definitive and a waste of money even at $4.95 (which is only available to cpaptalk members as opposed to the general public (for obvious reasons)(which equally obviously flies in the face of really wanting to help people).

OTOH, How to Tolerate CPAP Therapy for Your Sleep Apnea , is written by a professional with infinitely far more knowledge, tons more content (seriously-- it took me twice as long to read it), the information is meaty instead of superficial SOS on burnt toast and would prove to be a far better work as a tool to achieve effective xPAP therapy in entry level users.

In addition, it's price is $4.95 for everybody at Amazon, so "IMHO" this is a guy that truly wants to help people (OK, me and Bobby may have brisk discussions in the past, but high grade steel is tempered by fire, TP is consumed).

49er wrote: And he is a cpap user himself which I think makes all the difference in the world. I really despise anyone who hasn't put a mask on themselves for at least a week, giving advice to a group like this in the manner that he has.

I think somebody offering advice in a professional capacity (DME, book, etc) should have SLEPT with a mask on with at least a pressure of 10 (better yet, 15-20), and they should have successfully achieved COMPLIANCE.

Not just one a try in the office, or one or two nights. But 21 days out of 30. Over 4 hours per night. Get a REAL idea of what the challenges are.

And since they are professionals, they should be able to do with this nasal masks, full face masks, nasal pillows, etc.

zoocrewphoto wrote:

49er wrote: And he is a cpap user himself which I think makes all the difference in the world. I really despise anyone who hasn't put a mask on themselves for at least a week, giving advice to a group like this in the manner that he has.

I think somebody offering advice in a professional capacity (DME, book, etc) should have SLEPT with a mask on with at least a pressure of 10 (better yet, 15-20), and they should have successfully achieved COMPLIANCE.

Not just one a try in the office, or one or two nights. But 21 days out of 30. Over 4 hours per night. Get a REAL idea of what the challenges are.

And since they are professionals, they should be able to do with this nasal masks, full face masks, nasal pillows, etc.

Totally agree Zoo Crew. Once again, you are right on the money.

49er