Glue for mask - Marine Sports Mask Seal

Sleepless on LI · Post by **Sleepless on LI** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:46 pm

Tn-Ken

I did get my glue and maybe it's not the same stuff you got. Mine seems oily and doesn't do anything for me. Now, I didn't use it on the Aura, just the Ultra Mirage ff mask. Didn't really help much.

I am switching back anyway to my Aura tonight, so I will give it a shot on there, although I don't get very much leakage anyway, so I really don't need much, if any, help with the Aura, so it might be hard to tell.

My son used it last not in his UMFF and said it didn't help him, but I don't know how he used it or what he did.

When I received it, it was in a little zip-loc type bag. When I took it out, the outside of the container, which looks like a Chapstick, was oily. I don't know why that should be, but...

I'll let you know if it does anything for my Aura tonight. I'm glad at least you're having success with it.

tooly125 · Post by **tooly125** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:56 pm

I have used the glue for three nights on my F&P 431 FF mask.
What I do is spread the thinnest layer all around the part of the mask that touches your face(kind of a large area on the F&P).
Let it dry for over an hour
(still experimenting longer seems better, it doesn't dry just gets sticky)
Then its bedtime!
Before the glue I had a large strip of moleskin on the inside of the mask to keep the mask from sliding out of position. I was able to get rid of that which is a good thing
The glue definitely stops the sliding around for me.
As far as stopping leaks I really can't say too mutch, my presser is 19 so my mask has to be strapped on pretty tight to start and leaks were not my problem anyway the sliding thing was my motivation for the glue. I have tried loosing it a little with the glue but immediately developed leaks.
I'm definitely going to try to find a local source or an alternative the price+shipping is pretty steep for such a small tube

Sleepless on LI · Post by **Sleepless on LI** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:32 pm

Okay. I went back to my Aura last night and put the glue around the nasal pillows and let it dry about a half-hour before going to bed. Well, leave it to me and my active imagination. It was working well and then I started freaking myself out, thinking, "Is it okay to be inhaling this stuff all night long or is it like sniffing glue?" All I can think of is, I'm going to wake up hallucinating or causing myself brain damage. So of course I ended up actually removing the entire mask at 3 in the morning and sleeping for the first time in ages without a mask on.

Which leads me to my question, is it really safe to breathe this stuff in all night??? I think they meant it to be put around the seal of a SCUBA mask, not to inhale all night on a nasal pillow. All I can say is, scared the heck out of myself and now I'm afraid to use it. Any ideas???

meister · Post by **meister** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:33 am

Brings back fond memories of when I was a kid and we were always
out back behind the hardware store sniffin paint and glue....

So what is the bottom line. Does this really work? Should we be
recommending it to every newbie?

Yesterday there was a related article in the newspaper. It seems some
guy came home drunk and his wife got tired of his extracurricular
activities. She grabbed the SuperGlue. When he woke up, I guess
he was off to the hospital for some delicate surgery. He said, if
you have to cut some tissue ... take it off my leg!

Sleepless on LI · Post by **Sleepless on LI** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:40 am

OW And I'm female. Meister, thanks SO MUCH for sharing that story? LOL!

I am not using the glue. I didn't feel safe inhaling it on my nasal pillows. Others might find it helpful, but my Aura and I are just fine without the possible risk. And until I know one way or the other, I'll leave well enough alone. Just the idea of breathing in those chemicals used to make the glue ALL NIGHT LONG doesn't sit right with me.

Moogy,
Did you ever receive and try yours yet???

Moogy · Post by **Moogy** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:55 pm

Moogy,
Did you ever receive and try yours yet???

YES, the package came while I was out-of-town for the weekend. It is already pretty WARM in Texas, and two of my three tubes were half-melted. For those who haven't ordered it, the tube is like a little chapstick tube, and each tube was in a separate little plastic ziplock bag. I noticed right away that the inside of the bags looked greasy. When I opened tube #1, the innards were half melted away. However, there was enough left to use, so I tried it. (Further investigation shows that two of the three tubes melted partially, but the third tube is ok).

I have used it for only two nights. I put it all around the edge of the Activa pillow. IMMEDIATELY I could tell there was an improvement. In past days, I had to mess with my mask for several minutes to get rid of eye or cheek leaks. I am a perfectionist, so I keep trying to get rid of the little leaks.

My software doesn't yet show any consistent improvement with leaks, BUT it was easier to get to sleep since I didn't keep fooling with the mask. The first night, I had a definite drop in max. leak rate, but last night it was back up again. I will track it for a while longer to see how it goes.... .

Moogy

Sleepless on LI · Post by **Sleepless on LI** » Wed May 03, 2006 8:31 pm

Moogy,

The same thing happened to my package. It came in a little plastic bag that contained the tube (Chapstick-like) and the outside of the glue tube was all slimey/greasy.

If I were you, I'd make them aware of what happened. You paid for three tubes and ended up with one usable one. And for what they charge to ship it to you...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed May 03, 2006 9:42 pm

rpalmer wrote:A respiratory therapist friend also recommended Benzoin Tincture, available OTC in most drug stores. Does the same thing, works great holding the mask in place, washes off easily with water, etc. It's a liquid, comes in a small bottle, & I just apply a thin coat on my face with a Q-tip where the mask hits.

Moogy · Post by **Moogy** » Wed May 03, 2006 10:21 pm

Sleepless on LI wrote:Moogy,

The same thing happened to my package. It came in a little plastic bag that contained the tube (Chapstick-like) and the outside of the glue tube was all slimey/greasy.

If I were you, I'd make them aware of what happened. You paid for three tubes and ended up with one usable one. And for what they charge to ship it to you...

Thanks for the suggestion. I just sent an email asking them to replace one tube. I figure between the two melted tubes, I lost about one full tube of product.

Moogy

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed May 03, 2006 10:40 pm

Has anybody ever tried this stuff? I wonder if it would work.

Hollister Medical Adhesive

Allows skin to breathe
Can be used on sensitive skin
Medical grade silicone adhesive
Unaffected by moisture

Medical grade silicone adhesive is unaffected by moisture; Can be used on sensitive skin; Allows skin to breathe.
Remains flexible and comfortable; provides a secure and reliable seal.
Easy to use; spray allows application directly to appliance prior to application to skin.

Moogy · Post by **Moogy** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:40 pm

I put the mask seal on a bit too liberally last night. Got a bit in my eyes when I was washing my face this morning, and boy, did it sting for a LONG time, even tho I immediately rinsed out my eye.

Be careful with this stuff!

Moogy

Tn-Ken · Post by **Tn-Ken** » Fri May 05, 2006 7:00 am

Update on experiment:

I went without the glue for two nights earlier this week and fought with the mask all night. Everytime I'd turn over I'd bump it with the pillow or something and create the mother of all leaks. I tried just tightening up the straps but all that did was to put some permanent ridges in my forehead so that I now look like a klingon. (Some have said that's no change!):o

In any case, for the past two nights I started using it again and have had two awesome nights. The little bit of added friction that the glue provides is just enough to keep the mask in place without my even being aware that it's there. When I woke up this morning I honestly wasn't aware of the mask on my head at all and had an AHI 2.1 night (ahhhh....)

Think I'll try the tincture and see about how that works 'cause this glue is expensive (but worth it if that's what it takes).

Pax,
Ken

meister · Post by **meister** » Fri May 05, 2006 12:57 pm

In addition, there is another product called Mastisol, which is also a
surgical adhesive. It is supplied by Ferndale Labs only, and is made
of Mastic Gum, not Benzoin gum.

Tn-Ken · Post by **Tn-Ken** » Fri May 05, 2006 1:04 pm

I'm concerned about Mastisol - here's the description:

Mastisol Liquid Adhesive is a clear, non-irritating and non-water soluble liquid adhesive that will secure the most difficult dressings over an extended period of time. Mastisol is 7-10 times stickier than Compound Tincture of Benzoin.

Detachol Adhesive Remover can be used to remove Mastisol from the skin.

This seems to be a REALLY sticky substance and since it's not water soluble might be problematic to deal with every morning.

This discussion is terrific though - everyone pitching in from their knowledge showing the power of a group like this. Thanks everyone!

Sleepless on LI · Post by **Sleepless on LI** » Fri May 05, 2006 1:12 pm

I went to my local CVS this morning to ask for the Benzoin Tincture and asked Frank, the pharmacist, if they carried. He grinned and said it might be hard to find, that CVS doesn't carry it. It's something, according to him, you don't hear being asked much for anymore. He said he could order it and have it by Monday probably, if I wanted to, but to try this "mom and pop" pharmacy down the road to see if they might still carry it.

So the question would be, where do you get this stuff if it's not something that a large chain pharmacy like CVS would carry on the shelves?

Glue for mask - Marine Sports Mask Seal

Sniffin Glue!

Won't Benzoin Tincture eat your mask up?