Oboma .. another term

ems wrote:

JeffL wrote:Lyndon Baines Johnson (D)

He started this crap that divided our country.



Do you even have a clue what you're talking about?? Johnson wasn't the most memorable president but he didn't divide the country.

Do you happen to remember the BUSH years?

Let's see JeffL, What could that have been?
The Gulf of Tonkin lie?
or
Signing of the Civil Rights Act?
......

Lizistired wrote:How did he divide the country JeffL??

ems wrote:

JeffL wrote:Lyndon Baines Johnson (D)

He started this crap that divided our country.

Do you even have a clue what you're talking about?? Johnson wasn't the most memorable president but he didn't divide the country.

Do you happen to remember the BUSH years?

Are you two for real!? I find it hard to believe there are people here too young to remember the Johnson years. Or maybe you are so old you can't remember

In a nutshell, his Southeast Asian war. He killed 50,000 American's in a war that had absolutely nothing to do with us. Our country was bitterly divided with daily marches and protests. It created a great rebellion against American government and society. I don't see any point in me writing a dissertation about it. The information is at your fingertips.

Here's a place to start - http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... de-of-lbj/

From the above link:

President Lyndon Johnson and the “best and the brightest” who staffed his administration led this country into three quagmires. By far the most famous, but perhaps not the most expensive and dangerous resulted from LBJ’s escalation of the Vietnam War. More than 50,000 Americans and many more Vietnamese died as a result of that policy; our country was bitterly divided in ways that still weaken us today, and the economic cost of the war was immense. It contributed to the wave of inflation that shook the country in the 1970s and in addition to the interest on the debt from this ill-starred venture we are still paying (as we certainly should) pensions and medical costs for the vets and their spouses.

Really though, you guys can relax. The Supreme Court is going to review the Voting Rights Act again. Are FOX and ABC radio harping on that now? Maybe it's just a pacifier for you. Compliments of Carl Rove. I'm glad he got such a great return on his money.

The Choker wrote:This is what fear of the State looks like

“Nextel to cut 20% of jobs at Virginia headquarters”

In Past 48 hrs, following companies announded layoffs:
Caterpillar, CVPH Medical Center, Lightyear Haqwker Beechcraft, Westinghouse, Research in Motion, US Cellular, Commerzbank, Iberia, ING, Ericsson, Bristol-Myers, Corning, Boston Scientific, Abbott Labs and St. Jude.

Pepsi looking to layoff 4,000 workers

“Energizer Holdings Inc. will reduce its global workforce by more than 10 percent — or about 1,500 employees — as the company closes three manufacturing plants and streamlines other operations.”

“As Twitchy reported in September, the Obama administration made moves to encourage defense contractors to delay layoff announcements until after the election, offering to reimburse contractors for any legal costs incurred in not informing their affected employees. Lockheed Martin seemingly took the offer, and today, Boeing announced it would be cutting 30 percent of management positions.”

And, of course—–”Unexpectedly: Stocks Suffer Heavy Losses Second Straight Day After Election;Analysts Baffled”

Choker,

There is a remarkable amount of dishonesty in this post. You could have discovered it if you had chased down any of the citations, and we would have been in a better position to tell if the allegations were true or false if you had left the links in when you copied and pasted it. It appears to be from a site called Legal Insurrection. If you go there, the links the author uses show how false the claims are. The worst of them is the line about "Pepsi looking to layoff 4,000 workers." The citation is to a story from Fox Business, PepsiCo Looks to Juice Profits With 4,000 Layoffs, which is dated January 5, 2012, ten months ago. It is about how Pepsi wants to boost its bottom line by laying off workers and cutting its 401(k) contributions under pressure from shareholders concerned about its stagnant stock price. The Energizer Holdings story, which the original links to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, says that the cuts (which include a factory in Malaysia), are the result of a review of operations announced back in August "amid sluggish battery sales and heightened competition in the razor category." The Nextel link is dead, but doesn't anyone remember that Sprint bought up Nextel back in 2004? There is no Nextel. This announcement was actually by a company called NII Holdings that sells mobile phones and services under the Nextel name exclusively in Latin America, not here in the U.S. And it made the announcement before the election. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cap ... _blog.html.

I didn't try to run down all the businesses in the omnibus paragraph, but I would love to see the actual evidence that these were due to the election. The quality of information conveyed on small right wing news sites (and then circulated by e-mail and on forums) is often deplorable. It pays to check if stuff is true before passing it on.

PST

That only divided the young people that were being drafted from the majority of Americans who just trashed them for being useless hippies and drug addicts.
If it had done what you said, there would have been an awakening in this country long ago. We wouldn't have had Nixon.
Bush sent a token force into Afghanistan so they could move onto Iraq. He betrayed the US Military and I would love to see stats on the military voting and veteran voting in this election. Our votes are taken for granted by the right. They think the electorate is stupid. Suprise Carl. Our government is being held to the standards that it only claims.
If a rich fat white guy with a red tie offers you koolaid.... don't drink it. Think for yourself.

You are right about the bitter divisions created by the wars in southeast asia and viet nam. I was tear gassed and arrested during the protests. I was passionate about ending war. The experience still impacts my world view and undermines my trust of political leaders in both parties. What I really want now from republicans and democrats is a spirit of compromise for the good of our democracy. What I really do not want to see is another round of massive ego driven brinksmanship over the perils of the fiscal cliff. The basic lifestyles of many ernest and hard working Americans are at stake. Now is the time for the political odd couples to compromise.

PST wrote:

The Choker wrote:This is what fear of the State looks like

“Nextel to cut 20% of jobs at Virginia headquarters”

In Past 48 hrs, following companies announded layoffs:
Caterpillar, CVPH Medical Center, Lightyear Haqwker Beechcraft, Westinghouse, Research in Motion, US Cellular, Commerzbank, Iberia, ING, Ericsson, Bristol-Myers, Corning, Boston Scientific, Abbott Labs and St. Jude.

Pepsi looking to layoff 4,000 workers

“Energizer Holdings Inc. will reduce its global workforce by more than 10 percent — or about 1,500 employees — as the company closes three manufacturing plants and streamlines other operations.”

“As Twitchy reported in September, the Obama administration made moves to encourage defense contractors to delay layoff announcements until after the election, offering to reimburse contractors for any legal costs incurred in not informing their affected employees. Lockheed Martin seemingly took the offer, and today, Boeing announced it would be cutting 30 percent of management positions.”

And, of course—–”Unexpectedly: Stocks Suffer Heavy Losses Second Straight Day After Election;Analysts Baffled”

Choker,

There is a remarkable amount of dishonesty in this post. You could have discovered it if you had chased down any of the citations, and we would have been in a better position to tell if the allegations were true or false if you had left the links in when you copied and pasted it. It appears to be from a site called Legal Insurrection. If you go there, the links the author uses show how false the claims are. The worst of them is the line about "Pepsi looking to layoff 4,000 workers." The citation is to a story from Fox Business, PepsiCo Looks to Juice Profits With 4,000 Layoffs, which is dated January 5, 2012, ten months ago. It is about how Pepsi wants to boost its bottom line by laying off workers and cutting its 401(k) contributions under pressure from shareholders concerned about its stagnant stock price. The Energizer Holdings story, which the original links to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, says that the cuts (which include a factory in Malaysia), are the result of a review of operations announced back in August "amid sluggish battery sales and heightened competition in the razor category." The Nextel link is dead, but doesn't anyone remember that Sprint bought up Nextel back in 2004? There is no Nextel. This announcement was actually by a company called NII Holdings that sells mobile phones and services under the Nextel name exclusively in Latin America, not here in the U.S. And it made the announcement before the election. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cap ... _blog.html.

I didn't try to run down all the businesses in the omnibus paragraph, but I would love to see the actual evidence that these were due to the election. The quality of information conveyed on small right wing news sites (and then circulated by e-mail and on forums) is often deplorable. It pays to check if stuff is true before passing it on.

PST

Yes, PST - absolutely correct! I knew it was total nonsense but didn't take the time to do the research like you did. The things people actually believe.

eeckel wrote:You are right about the bitter divisions created by the wars in southeast asia and viet nam. I was tear gassed and arrested during the protests. I was passionate about ending war. The experience still impacts my world view and undermines my trust of political leaders in both parties. What I really want now from republicans and democrats is a spirit of compromise for the good of our democracy. What I really do not want to see is another round of massive ego driven brinksmanship over the perils of the fiscal cliff. The basic lifestyles of many ernest and hard working Americans are at stake. Now is the time for the political odd couples to compromise.

Nice, eeckel and I agree. However, down through the ages this has never been the case... and the chances of this happening now are slim to 0.

eeckel wrote:Now is the time for the political odd couples to compromise.

I am sorry, I disagree that compromise is what is needed. IMHO, what we need is for the children in Washington to grow up, sit down together, listen to one another and to the people who really know what is going wrong, and then come up with creative solutions. The problem at the moment is that both parties are very much focused on what has not worked in the past. The world needs something new. The Church of England has just appointed a new archbishop who has a background in the financial industry. Maybe there is a Lesson that he can read to us all?

SleepyToo2 wrote:

eeckel wrote:Now is the time for the political odd couples to compromise.

I am sorry, I disagree that compromise is what is needed. IMHO, what we need is for the children in Washington to grow up, sit down together, listen to one another and to the people who really know what is going wrong, and then come up with creative solutions. The problem at the moment is that both parties are very much focused on what has not worked in the past. The world needs something new. The Church of England has just appointed a new archbishop who has a background in the financial industry. Maybe there is a Lesson that he can read to us all?

What we need are for both sides to put the U.S.A. ahead of their greed, and make the government live within a budget and our means. Stop foreign aid to countries that work against US. Move the U.N. to France or a third world country, and no support them with our money. Congress and the executive branch needs to have the same retirement and benefits as the normal citizens.Stop the exportation of natural gas and others fuels to other countries, to reduce buying foreign fuels. Jim

Goofproof wrote:

SleepyToo2 wrote:

eeckel wrote:Now is the time for the political odd couples to compromise.

I am sorry, I disagree that compromise is what is needed. IMHO, what we need is for the children in Washington to grow up, sit down together, listen to one another and to the people who really know what is going wrong, and then come up with creative solutions. The problem at the moment is that both parties are very much focused on what has not worked in the past. The world needs something new. The Church of England has just appointed a new archbishop who has a background in the financial industry. Maybe there is a Lesson that he can read to us all?

What we need are for both sides to put the U.S.A. ahead of their greed, and make the government live within a budget and our means. Stop foreign aid to countries that work against US. Move the U.N. to France or a third world country, and no support them with our money. Congress and the executive branch needs to have the same retirement and benefits as the normal citizens.Stop the exportation of natural gas and others fuels to other countries, to reduce buying foreign fuels. Jim

Jim, Capitalism is about greed. What you have seen in this election is exactly what you are asking for. The Iraq war, the housing crisis, the financial collapse, was all about greed.
Globalization is here and you can't put that genie back in the bottle.
Oil and natural gas is going to the highest bidder. China and India need a lot more. They are buying our cars. The keystone pipeline will go to the gulf coast for export instead of the refinery in OK that it already goes to.
Pakistan has nuclear weapons and we are not going to give them the finger. Foreign policy is a dance.
You really have to change channels once in awhile and consider other views.

Strange how people that support Obama always cite some personal gain or agenda rather than the good of the whole.

Also odd how our society has come to persecute successful businesspeople as if they need to be sneered at rather than applauded for providing
jobs. Its not the role of government in a Federated Republic to put people to work. Its the peoples job, and to target jobmakers is
like biting the hand that feeds you.

You may feel good clamping down, but you'll end up broke yourself unless you can become a job creator, in which case you sure as heck wouldnt be voting
for Obama. Read up on how business owners are scaling back employees in anticipating of obamacare, and how the stock market is plummeting and the dollar devalueing.

Your "lifetime" of savings will likely go up in a cloud of smoke as your money will be worth one tenth of its original value and deflated. But I suppose your consoliation will be getting a pittance to survive on from barry. Id rather survive on my own, and if Chevrolet cant make a car people want to drive, then they shouldnt be making cars.

ems wrote:

Sloop wrote:So who accelerated Afghanistan into another war with 2000 soldiers dead ON HIS WATCH -- and all for what? So that he can telegraph to the enemy when the hostilities cease and come home with our tails between our legs .... and all those poor soldiers will have died in vain, as the Taliban takes complete control again. DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW ABSURD THIS POLICY IS?

DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW ABSURD YOU ARE? No, never mind, you don't. And again, FYI, the election is over... President Obama won a second term ... get over it!

LOL -- I think YOU are the one that is going to have to "get over it". Sure looks like Obama will be heading for Impeachment and Conviction over his 3 massive cover-ups re Benghazi, including what now appears to be BLACKMAIL of David Petraeus. Going to be one interesting next couple of months.

ems wrote:

deltadave wrote:

Thetoolman wrote:Oboma...

"When people can't even spell their own President's name, that is the end of civilization."
-Leon Trotsky

I'm sure the "misspelling" of our President's name was purposely done ~ wouldn't you agree?

No.

Strange how people that support Obama always cite some personal gain or agenda rather than the good of the whole.

Yeah, the nerve of me to not want to die or go bankrupt from lack of health insurance. My profuse apologies

Also odd how our society has come to persecute successful businesspeople as if they need to be sneered at rather than applauded for providing
jobs. Its not the role of government in a Federated Republic to put people to work. Its the peoples job, and to target jobmakers is
like biting the hand that feeds you.

Let's see, I know someone with a disability who got a job through of those "evil" state programs and has been employed in the "evil" federal government for years. I am not great a math but it doesn't take a math genius to realize that having a paid job and paying taxes generates alot more revenue than if she had ended up unemployed and on medicaid.

Or maybe people like you simply would have said tough luck and deal with whatever fait awaits you such as going hungry and dying.

You may feel good clamping down, but you'll end up broke yourself unless you can become a job creator, in which case you sure as heck wouldnt be voting for Obama. Read up on how business owners are scaling back employees in anticipating of obamacare, and how the stock market is plummeting and the dollar devalueing.

Funny, I know a job creator who voted for Obama and ran a very successful business. The person wasn't worried about his/her million dollar profits.

And if you check the records, the stock market has made more gains under Democratic then Republican presidents. Also short term volatility means nothing as all financial advisers will tell clients to ignore the short term as it means nothing.

So stating the stock mark is plummeting as proof the Obama presidency is going to be a disaster is not an honest argument just as I would say the same thing if there were big time gains under either a Republican or Democratic president just in a few days.


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