Oboma .. another term

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Thetoolman wrote:Oboma...

"When people can't even spell their own President's name, that is the end of civilization."
-Leon Trotsky

I'm sure the "misspelling" of our President's name was purposely done ~ wouldn't you agree?

No.

LOL as I think you win the award for the shortest post.

49er

Hot Hot Topic!

As US Navy Vet from the Nam era, I can tell you first hand the VA medical care varies a lot. Problem is a lot of it is not so great, and active duty medical care was problematic and by far the reason I got out. I pulled great duty, could not ask for better, but the medical care I got them and much of VA care now is horrible.

Just last month I had to have urethra surgery for a stricture, following proper testing and urgent problem last summer. (the urologist called in 911 but I refused to go to ER & same problem the VA clinic had refused to do anything). This was for a problem a good VA doc had sent me TWICE previously to the VA urology specialty clinic. They could not know if I even had pulse or a minor infection or anything, ya gota run tests to tell. Same with the renal clinic. The renal doc said they would wonder WHY my kidney function has been dropping, AFTER my kidney's fail (dialysis). He also said he would set my private endo (head of local hospital diabetes clinic straight) about it maybe something other than hypertension or diabetes (great control for years).

While in the Navy, on active duty, I had leg problems (dismissed), vision problems off and on and they could not get my glasses even close. I just found out in 2009 my diplopia was MS related when a new eye doc said I needed to be under a neurologist care for my neuro-muscular diplopia (developed in my late teens). I had pancreatitis & admitted to sick bay while on active duty, but the testing done is MIA from my records, only a mention I had to see the Doc but not a single word about WHEN/or what about or being tested. So my VA diabetes care was substandard below 3rd world because my diabetes type was changed from Type-1 to type-2 by some administrator.

Decades ago the VA sent me to their shrinks for complaining that something else was wrong. The shrinks said I was not even depressed, just adamant something else was wrong and not showing up on testing. Had it not been for a kind caring local VA clinic doc who directly ordered a full MS workup (instead of just a referral to neurology clinic) in 2009 I would still be without medical care for my MS. BTW the VA has NOT provided me with so much as a single mobility aid of any kind. A local non-VA doc ordered a P/T eval and she said I NEEDED a power chair. I had to buy my scooter and such out of my limited funds (sold off personal stuff) to buy them, so I could get out and about. Unless you loose something very visible, forget VA care, its often worthless or worse!

Sorry for the bitter post but I got a letter from the VA claiming I did not currently have diplopia despite the VA currently treating me & RX for it...Go figger???

Gomer

gomer wrote:
Sorry for the bitter post but I got a letter from the VA claiming I did not currently have diplopia despite the VA currently treating me & RX for it...Go figger???

Gomer

I am so sorry for your bad experience and have the firm opinion that we should provide top notch medical care to our veterans.

I am not sure why you posted in this thread unless it was to point out that relying on the government to manage your medical care is a dangerous dependency. That is certainly true!

Why so many would expect medical care to get better with the feds involved is totally beyond me.

Phooey on Obamacare. I still hope our great country can find a way to junk it.

I am so sorry for your bad experience and have the firm opinion that we should provide top notch medical care to our veterans.

Totally agree. For example, the treatment of PTSD with Seroquel is a disgrace and seems to be a bipartisan issue,

I am not sure why you posted in this thread unless it was to point out that relying on the government to manage your medical care is a dangerous dependency. That is certainly true! Why so many would expect medical care to get better with the feds involved is totally beyond me.

A big fat sigh. Horrible medical care has been around for years and has nothing to with who runs it.

My mother was the victim of malpractice when she was alive in 2008. I feel it hastened her death.

Someone whose 15 year old son tragically died from malpractice in the early 2000s invited me to join a list in which she posted news about horrible medical care. I was shocked at how many cases there were.

Oh and by the way, in a thread I previously posted on, an emergency room doctor said he had never had problems getting approval from medicare to admit a patient whereas that wasn't the case with private insurance.

Phooey on Obamacare. I still hope our great country can find a way to junk it

And what is your suggestion for people who are uninsured or who have preexisting conditions like apnea? And please, not the typical right wing talking points that don't work.

49er

Folks, lets call it what it is... socialized medicine. We all know it hasn't worked before, and there is nothing you can say that will make it work here or any other country that has tried it. It hasn't worked in other countries and won't work here. I am aghast at folk's personal medical conditions would dictate one fifth of the US economy being taken over by useless bureaucracy.

ain't skeert...

Sheriff

Sheriff Buford wrote:Folks, lets call it what it is... socialized medicine. We all know it hasn't worked before, and there is nothing you can say that will make it work here or any other country that has tried it. It hasn't worked in other countries and won't work here. I am aghast at folk's personal medical conditions would dictate one fifth of the US economy being taken over by useless bureaucracy.

ain't skeert...

Sheriff

Arrgh, I knew I shouldn't have opened this thread.

Sheriff, to quote an infamous politician, there you go again. This plan which was modeled on Romney's plan (who is not exactly a flaming liberal last I checked) is about as much socialized medicine as I am a millionaire. I think you know better than that.

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nanwilson wrote:Come on already!!!!! Why don't you just stop all this.......you will not ever convince each other that you are right. One side believes they are right and the other does too...no body wins or even budges.............ITS CHILDISH!!!!!! Have you not heard the age old saying....YOU SHOULD NEVER DISCUSS POLITICS OR RELIGION, NO GOOD WILL EVER COME OF IT.

Sheesh Nan, you just have to be insulting don't you? Have you ever heard of giving people the benefit of the doubt? I am participating because I am depressed as heck about my life, including cpap treatment failure in spite of my best efforts. It was a nice distraction.

I don't know why other people are but I respect their right to do so, including the folks who I vehemently disagree with. If you don't want to participate, no one is holding a gun to your head.

49er

x wrote:Come on already!!!!! Why don't you just stop all this.......you will not ever convince each other that you are right. One side believes they are right and the other does too...no body wins or even budges.............ITS CHILDISH!!!!!! Have you not heard the age old saying....YOU SHOULD NEVER DISCUSS POLITICS OR RELIGION, NO GOOD WILL EVER COME OF IT.

Don't discuss politics or religion? That is one of the reasons I came to this great country - you do have open discussions among "the common people". Your great Constitution, the first of its kind, was another attraction.

The main reason was your wide-open society and spirit of self-reliance coupled with the greatest charity in human history.

A big central government, heavy regulations and slipping into socialism are sad trends to be following.

Keep the discussions going. The path to ruin can still be changed.

"Sheesh" is right. She doesn't even live in the U.S. but she wants to shut up discussions among us.

Welcome Nachwurger! Our country is not ruined quite yet.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and already know I will regret it, but what the hell...

I don't think Nan's problem is with the discussion itself, but the fact that the majority of people are incapable of having a POLITE, COURTEOUS or RESPECTFUL discussion. Despite all of our advances in technology (internet forums and such) overall - human beings are still infantile in their attitudes and behaviors.

I only read the first page of this thread before I bowed out, shaking my head. It's NOT the discussion itself, but the "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude and mentality that piss off those of us that understand and apply common courtesy and respect to all of our dealings, including anonymous encounters on the internet.

On this particular topic, I have very definite opinions. But there are a ton of people that strongly disagree with me and I am smart enough to understand that neither side is really right or wrong. So, I won't argue about it because it's pointless, stupid and counterproductive.

Nan's "childish" comment most likely stems from the fact that she expects adults to understand common courtesy and NOT behave like children arguing on the playground.

If you're going to bash Nan, it would be nice to at least understand what she's really irritated about.

I'd respectfully suggest that if the thread bothers you, to avoid it. I don't see why this thread is a problem. The political discourse is contained only here, is not impacting any other threads, and seems to be generally respectful.

I've never understood the "don't discuss politics or religion" mantra. Seems strange. How does anyone learn anything about either if they are not discussed?

nanwilson wrote:Come on already!!!!! Why don't you just stop all this.......you will not ever convince each other that you are right. One side believes they are right and the other does too...no body wins or even budges.............ITS CHILDISH!!!!!! Have you not heard the age old saying....YOU SHOULD NEVER DISCUSS POLITICS OR RELIGION, NO GOOD WILL EVER COME OF IT.

Madalot wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb here and already know I will regret it, but what the hell...

I don't think Nan's problem is with the discussion itself, but the fact that the majority of people are incapable of having a POLITE, COURTEOUS or RESPECTFUL discussion. Despite all of our advances in technology (internet forums and such) overall - human beings are still infantile in their attitudes and behaviors.

I only read the first page of this thread before I bowed out, shaking my head. It's NOT the discussion itself, but the "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude and mentality that piss off those of us that understand and apply common courtesy and respect to all of our dealings, including anonymous encounters on the internet.

On this particular topic, I have very definite opinions. But there are a ton of people that strongly disagree with me and I am smart enough to understand that neither side is really right or wrong. So, I won't argue about it because it's pointless, stupid and counterproductive.

Nan's "childish" comment most likely stems from the fact that she expects adults to understand common courtesy and NOT behave like children arguing on the playground.

If you're going to bash Nan, it would be nice to at least understand what she's really irritated about.

Thanks Maddie...that is exactly what I meant...some folks here right now are only interested in argueing and being very insulting to each other.
I'm erasing my post....therefore,..I won't insult anyones intelligencee.

ughwhatname wrote:I've never understood the "don't discuss politics or religion" mantra. Seems strange. How does anyone learn anything about either if they are not discussed?

A discussion where people are open to hearing and considering the other side is one thing. But most of these types of "discussions" are people pushing, trying to convince others that whatever they think, believe and feel is FACT and refuse to listen or consider anything other than what they think, believe and feel.

It ends up with people being angry, thus the mantra NOT to discuss those types of things.

I'm all for a good dicussion, but only if participants are willing to evaluate their beliefs HONESTLY can a discussion like that get anywhere.

And they rarely do.

How often, in a discussion like this, does someone say "You know, that's a valid point, one that I never considered. Hmmm....maybe I need to think about that."