PurSleep Product Safety

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Re: PurSleep Product Safety

Post by jnk » Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:41 pm

MrSandman wrote: . . . I am a social dumbarse anyway . . .
Are social skills required to be here? I sure hope not, because I don't feel like leaving.
MrSandman wrote: . . . playing the victim card? . . .
The only victim in this thread is PurSleep guy, laughing all the way to the bank.
MrSandman wrote: . . . not an identity game . . .
We are all here under assumed names, so I assume we are all playing an identity game at least a little bit. But don't listen to me--I am not who I say I am.

[NOTE: None of the above retorts were meant to be clever or metaphorically baseballish.]

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Re: PurSleep Product Safety

Post by -SWS » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:51 pm

My sincere apologies, MrSandman. Don't take it personal that I would have asked anyone that blunt question about how their username got changed. No one ever said or even implied that I have social finesse.
MrSandman wrote:I am not so smart and not near as smart as you or SAG or several others. I am a social dumbarse anyway but yes I liked feeling like I knew something someone else didn't even if for a moment.
Well, you already told us in your first Browser thread that your IQ is "quite high". So that's good enough for me.
MrSandman wrote:Are you suggesting I am looking for pity by playing the victim card?
I think your idea of how others perceive you may be off a bit---specifically when you imply or explicitly say that you feel driven away, or that perhaps you should leave. I think there's a lag or gap between your perception and the social reality itself. No one ever expressed wanting you to leave in either of those two threads. I sure didn't---since I truly enjoy reading your posts.
MrSandman wrote:I went to great lengths to explain that it is not an identity game
Your guessing game was about how you managed to change your screen identity---with a bonus mini-mystery of that first unsigned post using your brand new screen name. Hey... that falls in the genre of identity games! But it was a good natured game.

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Re: PurSleep Product Safety

Post by MrSandman » Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:11 pm

Did I say that? Well I exaggerated obviously. It is higher than some and lower than others but I am not near as verbose as many of you.

I think maybe you are a psychologist or something?
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Re: PurSleep Product Safety

Post by jnk » Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:15 pm

MrSandman wrote:. . . maybe you are a psychologist or something? . . .
Now, now. Let's not resort to name-calling.

Only problem I have with your new name is that I can't get that blasted song out of my head!

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Re: PurSleep Product Safety

Post by -SWS » Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:49 pm

MrSandman wrote:Did I say that? Well I exaggerated obviously. It is higher than some and lower than others but I am not near as verbose as many of you.

I think maybe you are a psychologist or something?
Not a psychologist. But I'll agree with that "verbose something" part.

But hey! Two out of three guesses aren't bad! And I hate to rely on a baseball metaphor with SAG watching, but that's a respectable .667 batting average!

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It's Bonds vs Aaron

Post by StillAnotherGuest » Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:55 am

Well, continuing the baseball theme, did you know that this is fast-developing into a "Chase for the Home Run Record"? If you do a Topic Sort by "Replies" in "Descending Order", you will note that out of the 653 pages of the 32854 topics, this thread is now already on Page 1 at Number 36.

Coming up soon (or next, depending on when you read this) is the thread started by christinequilts which detailed the recall of the first PurSleep product in

Spring Training 2007

Here's another interesting sidebar. Much of this discussion is centered around the potential hazards of chronic inhalation of artificial, chemically-created fragrances (cosmetic oils). In order to claim the title of "Topic Reply King (or Queen)", the thread to beat is Babette's

OT - Cleaning the Natural Way - You, Your Mask, Your Home

At 759 replies (and astonishing close to the actual Major League Home Run Record of 762)(which just as interestingly was inflated by the use of chemical agents)...

...y'know, I was going to say that was a real stretch goal, but baseball is back, I still have some prepared material and a couple of "concept ideas", so now I'm psyched! This was destined to happen! Barry Bonds, here we come!

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Aromatherapy may help CPAP compliance. Lavender, Mandarin, Chamomile, and Sweet Marjoram aid in relaxation and sleep. Nature's Gift has these and a blend of all four called SleepEase.

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If It Has An Effect, Does That Make It A Drug?

Post by StillAnotherGuest » Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:40 am

The frequently-mentioned Namni Goel, Ph.D, noted for the study of the effects of the essential oil lavender on sleep noted in
Chronobiol Int. 2005;22(5):889-904.An olfactory stimulus modifies nighttime sleep in young men and women.Goel N, Kim H, Lao RP.

Aromatherapy is an anecdotal method for modifying sleep and mood. However, whether olfactory exposure to essential oils affects night-time objective sleep remains untested. Previous studies also demonstrate superior olfactory abilities in women. Therefore, this study investigated the effects of an olfactory stimulus on subsequent sleep and assessed gender differences in such effects. Thirty-one young healthy sleepers (16 men and 15 women, aged 18 to 30 yr, mean+/-SD, 20.5+/-2.4 yr) completed 3 consecutive overnight sessions in a sleep laboratory: one adaptation, one stimulus, and one control night (the latter 2 nights in counterbalanced order). Subjects received an intermittent presentation (first 2 min of each 10 min interval) of an olfactory (lavender oil) or a control (distilled water) stimulus between 23:10 and 23:40 h. Standard polysomnographic sleep and self-rated sleepiness and mood data were collected. Lavender increased the percentage of deep or slow-wave sleep (SWS) in men and women. All subjects reported higher vigor the morning after lavender exposure, corroborating the restorative SWS increase. Lavender also increased stage 2 (light) sleep, and decreased rapid-eye movement (REM) sleep and the amount of time to reach wake after first falling asleep (wake after sleep onset latency) in women, with opposite effects in men. Thus, lavender serves as a mild sedative and has practical applications as a novel, nonphotic method for promoting deep sleep in young men and women and for producing gender-dependent sleep effects.
has also published some interesting data on peppermint in
Biol Psychol. 2006 Mar;71(3):341-9. Epub 2005 Sep 6.Sleep changes vary by odor perception in young adults.Goel N, Lao RP.

Peppermint, a stimulating odor, increases alertness while awake and therefore may inhibit sleep. This study examined peppermint's effects on polysomnographic (PSG) sleep, alertness, and mood when presented before bedtime. Twenty-one healthy sleepers (mean age +/- S.D., 20.1 +/- 2.0 years) completed three consecutive laboratory sessions (adaptation, control, and stimulus nights). Peppermint reduced fatigue and improved mood and was rated as more pleasant, intense, stimulating, and elating than water. These perceptual qualities associated with sleep measures: subjects rating peppermint as very intense had more total sleep than those rating it as moderately intense, and also showed more slow-wave sleep (SWS) in the peppermint than control session. Furthermore, subjects who found peppermint stimulating showed more NREM and less REM sleep while those rating it as sedating took longer to reach SWS. Peppermint did not affect PSG sleep, however, when these perceptual qualities were not considered. Peppermint also produced gender-differentiated responses: it increased NREM sleep in women, but not men, and alertness in men, but not women, compared with the control. Thus, psychological factors, including individual differences in odor perception play an important role in physiological sleep and self-rated mood and alertness changes.
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Re: If It Has An Effect, Does That Make It A Drug?

Post by Songbird » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:16 am

StillAnotherGuest wrote:Peppermint, a stimulating odor, increases alertness while awake and therefore may inhibit sleep. This study examined peppermint's effects on polysomnographic (PSG) sleep, alertness, and mood when presented before bedtime. Twenty-one healthy sleepers (mean age +/- S.D., 20.1 +/- 2.0 years) completed three consecutive laboratory sessions (adaptation, control, and stimulus nights). Peppermint reduced fatigue and improved mood and was rated as more pleasant, intense, stimulating, and elating than water.
This is great news, SAG!!!!! Of course I missed the mean age by a year or two , but that means I don't need to feel guilty about just eating that whole box of Girl Scout Thin Mints, huh? Alertness level... UP!! Work performance.... UP!! Interpersonal communications.... UP!!

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Not Exactly...

Post by StillAnotherGuest » Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:28 pm

Songbird wrote:that means I don't need to feel guilty about just eating that whole box of Girl Scout Thin Mints, huh?
Well, technically, in the study the route of administration was a little different (inhalation).

And the preparation was a little different (peppermint essential oil).

And the dosage was a little different (4 minutes contact time x4).

But other than that, yeah, pretty close.

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Re: If It Has An Effect, Does That Make It A Drug?

Post by rested gal » Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:40 pm

Songbird wrote:This is great news, SAG!!!!! Of course I missed the mean age by a year or two , but that means I don't need to feel guilty about just eating that whole box of Girl Scout Thin Mints, huh? Alertness level... UP!! Work performance.... UP!! Interpersonal communications.... UP!!

Marsha
Of course, it miiiight just be the caffeine in the chocolate coating of the Thin Mints.

But yeah... peppermint aside, FEEL NO GUILT where choc is concerned!!
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Midnight Mint Helmet Product Safety

Post by -SWS » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:53 pm

Sad to say that I love those thin mint cookies... Which kind of reminds me: During one of my recent vacations I found myself chatting with friendly municipal workers down at the motel parking lot. They wanted to borrow my beer helmet and apparently each wanted some money. Something about a local custom.

Anyway, it seems we could rig up something like my trusty beer helmet---only milk on one side and thin-mint cookies on the other side----to facilitate midnight snacking for hoseheads all over the world! Bret, take this idea if you like it.... Please.


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Make Sure You Check...

Post by StillAnotherGuest » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:00 am

Municipal workers, eh? Boy, I'd like to get my utilities...

(ahem)...

Anyway, the thought of midnight cookies and Miller High Lifes (Lives?) brings to light a very important thought, namely, if people have trouble initiating or maintaining sleep, have all of the other contributing factors and possible solutions been considered. This summary, from Medscape reminds us of the
Nonpharmacologic Strategies

Nonpharmacologic strategies in the treatment of insomnia focus on modifying behavioral and cognitive factors that can lead to and foster sleep disturbances. Behavioral strategies include stimulus control therapy, sleep restriction, relaxation therapies, paradoxical intention, and sleep hygiene education. Cognitive behavioral therapy combines psychotherapy directed at changing inaccurate assumptions and perceptions about sleep and behavioral therapies such as stimulus control and sleep restriction. Numerous studies have shown that nonphar-macologic strategies are effective in the treatment of insomnia. Behavioral and cognitive interventions are typically implemented when pharmacotherapy is contraindicated or as augmentation to pharmacotherapeutic inter-ventions but may also be used as monotherapy in patients with short-term, mild insomnia. Most nonpharmacologic interventions can be combined with one another or with pharmacologic interventions to optimize outcomes, particularly in those with chronic and debilitating insomnia.

Stimulus control is used to decondition the individual from bedtime cues that perpetuate wakefulness rather than sleep. Time to fall asleep is limited to 20 minutes and, if not asleep within that set time period, patients are instructed to get out of bed, engage in relaxing activities, and return only when feeling sleepy. Sleep restriction therapy is aimed at reassociating the bed with sleep and limits the amount of time spent in bed to only the total number of hours actually spent asleep. When used separately or in conjunction, stimulus control and sleep restriction have been shown to be superior to placebo and as effective as pharmacotherapy for improving sleep latency and total sleep time.

Sleep hygiene recommendations include the following list of sleep-related behaviors and environmental conditions that promote an atmosphere conducive to improving the quality and quantity of sleep:

Attempt to maintain a regular sleep-wake cycle
Use the bedroom only for sleep and intimacy
Create a comfortable, quiet, dark, and temperature-controlled bedroom environment
Develop a relaxing routine within an hour before bedtime
Exercise regularly, but not within a few hours of bedtime
Avoid the use of alcohol, caffeine, or nicotine, especially within a few hours of bedtime
Avoid late heavy meals before bedtime
Avoid daytime napping
Avoid disturbances at bedtime (e.g., disruptive noises, pets, family)
Avoid keeping a clock close to the bed to prevent "clock watching"
Avoid excessive wakeful time in bed (> 20 min)

Sleep hygiene problems are rarely the primary cause of chronic insomnia, and improving sleep hygiene alone is unlikely to affect severe insomnia. They can, however, perpetuate sleep disturbances and impede recovery. Therefore, independent of the cause of the sleep disturbance, initial treatment strategies should include education regarding proper sleep habits and behaviors.

Paradoxical intention is a strategy that attempts to change patient-specific unrealistic sleep expectations by having patients stay awake as long as they are able. If successful, this technique leads to decreased performance anxiety about falling asleep and decreased concern regarding the consequences of sleeplessness. Relaxation therapies for insomnia specifically target the physiologic hyperarousal resulting from tension and stress, for example, that are characteristic of some individuals with sleep disturbances. Not enough evidence exists to support the use of relaxation therapies as the sole intervention in the management of insomnia. However, relaxation therapy in the form of progressive muscle relaxation, meditation, simple breathing retention, or guided imagery may serve as an adjunct to other behavioral or cognitive approaches.

Cognitive therapy addresses patient-specific unrealistic expectations about sleep and misconceptions about the causes of insomnia. The addition of behavioral techniques to cognitive therapy has been shown to produce longer lasting improvements in sleep parameters, particularly sleep latency, than the use of behavioral techniques or pharmacologic therapy alone. In the elderly (8E 60 yrs), cognitive behavioral therapy appears to be effective for sleep-maintenance insomnia.

Advantages of behavioral and cognitive strategies include a low adverse-effect profile and evidence of sustained improvement in sleep parameters over 6 months. Lack of personnel trained in the provision of these strategies, high out-of-pocket cost, the assumption that phar-macologic interventions are more efficacious, and the fact that these techniques are time intensive all limit the applicability of nonpharmacologic interventions. In addition, because gains in sleep onset or total sleep time are not immediately attained, patient motivation and encouragement are required. Some studies suggest that the efficacy of behavioral and cognitive interventions decreases with increasing age.
SAG is not familiar with the acronym "8E", as in
article wrote:In the elderly (8E 60 yrs)
but he believes it means, "right now my skull is intact, but I'm looking for somebody to come stove it in with a length of lead pipe that's an 'elderly' person".

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Re: PurSleep Product Safety

Post by jnk » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:09 am

Good stuff! Thanks, SAG.

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Re: PurSleep Product Safety

Post by -SWS » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:31 am

SAG wrote:...if people have trouble initiating or maintaining sleep, have all of the other contributing factors and possible solutions been considered.
Very much on-topic IMO (unlike that silly over-the-top attempt at comic relief three posts above... get rid of that clown). But I think the subject matter is very much on-topic for people who may be unsuccessfully attempting aromatherapy to cope with insomnia that is unrelated to CPAP.

And I could be under the wrong impression, but it sounds as if the original intended premise of PurSleep/aromatherapy was CPAP desensitization. However, people continue to use nightly aromatherapy seemingly after CPAP desensitization is complete. It would be nice to hear what the perceived benefit(s) are to continuing aromatherapy after CPAP desensitization is over. Or is it that CPAP desensitization is never over for some people, warranting the indefinite continuation of aromatherapy?

I was also admittedly a little surprised to read this statement in the above excerpt:
Not enough evidence exists to support the use of relaxation therapies as the sole intervention in the management of insomnia.
article wrote:In the elderly (8E 60 yrs)
I couldn't find "8E" in a search either. And I didn't have access to the full article without purchasing it. I wonder if "8E" might have referred to a demographic/epidemiological category specific to the document---perhaps in a table, diagram, or even external reference somewhere.
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It Ain't On The Keyboard

Post by StillAnotherGuest » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:52 am

-SWS wrote:
article wrote:In the elderly (8E 60 yrs)
I couldn't find "8E" in a search either. And I didn't have access to the full article without purchasing it. I wonder if "8E" might have referred to a demographic or even epidemiological category specific to the document---perhaps in a table, diagram, or external reference somewhere.
The character is actually an "equal to or greater than" sign, but that didn't strike me as being quite as funny as a routine that involved "stoving someone's head in".

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