Me and My AirSense Now with screenshots!

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:44 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:32 pm

I wonder if the regular ones are 'broken' in SH, and the ones we always thought were crazy (asv) are actually closer to how resscan would show them.

When I was using Respironics equipment I rarely had any flagged FLs so that's one reason I always just shrugged my shoulders when I saw those wild FL graphs (no matter which software) that I got with the Adapt. I know they were different brands but the Adapt FL graph was so ugly that I just couldn't ever believe it was real. I don't have nasal congestion and I don't have the machine doing wild crazy stuff chasing FLs...so I pretty much don't think my FLs have ever been one of my issues.
But given that we see more people where the FL graph is obviously so much worse than mine would ever be then those are the people we need to maybe try to get a comparison of....like the woman the other day...with such and ugly for her mode FL graph and when she used regular mode it was still ugly but markedly less ugly....but of course different nights so maybe normal nightly variance also.

I still say that if a person is sleeping good and feeling good then I don't know that I would go killing FLs with more pressure when everything else looks great. We might be snipe hunting.

Maybe, but snipe are so tasty when properly prepared.

For me it's just trying to better understand the data... maybe the height of the asv FLs are at 100%, and the 'for her at 50%, and the regular machines at 25%... like, there's a multiplier that should have been applied to the data that wasn't.... I saw the same kinds of things when helping, it affected how long LL flags on the respironics would display, and exactly where the flags would be, there's a lot of guess work in the little details, that's part of why the broad strokes are good with SH, but there's weirdness in the details sometimes.

For instance, the two comparisons you showed, the lines all look like they're where they should be, they're just not the same relative height.

What I found interesting was the height that ResScan gave some of my stuff compared to either modes' results.
Looks like the for her mode makes mountains out of molehills and ResScan makes Mt Everest out of everything.
Might be one of those situations where "clinical correlation" might want to be inserted.
Especially if someone does elect to try to kill those FLs with more pressure and more pressure doesn't seem to make any difference.

Remind me later once I get some of these fires I've got going put out and I will switch back to regular mode and will go on a snipe hunt with more pressure ammo to see what it does to the little FLs I sometimes see.
and will do the same in the for her mode....I can up the minimum easily enough.

Maybe later when I get some of these drugs out of me and kill off the insomnia monster who just won't leave me along I will feel like experimenting a bit.
In the past 2 weeks I have had 2 nights where I got 7 hours of sleep...2 hours with 6 hours and the rest around 5 hours with a couple around 3 hours. Things went to hell after the last set of joint injections which wasn't unexpected and Monday I get the second set so it's going to be a while before the drugs get out of my system.

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:04 pm

For instance, the two comparisons you showed, the lines all look like they're where they should be, they're just not the same relative height.

Remember that the scale of the FL graphic can be changed in ResScan (as well as in SH) which will change the apparent height. We had a long discussion about that a while back with someone who couldn't quite grasp the concept of scale. Unfortunately, though, the labeling of the Y axis in ResScan doesn't change with a change in scale, only the spacing of the lines changes.

Jay Aitchsee wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:44 am

Remember that the scale of the FL graphic can be changed in ResScan (as well as in SH) which will change the apparent height. We had a long discussion about that a while back with someone who couldn't quite grasp the concept of scale. Unfortunately, though, the labeling of the Y axis in ResScan doesn't change with a change in scale, only the spacing of the lines changes.

I had forgotten about changing the scale in ResScan. I don't really use it very often. Before last night it had been the last of May before I had even bothered to download to it. I just don't fire it up very often. Not sure I even know how to change the scale in ResScan anyway.
Obviously never really had much of a need to give the FLs anything more than a quick glance.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:23 am

Not sure I even know how to change the scale in ResScan anyway.

Tools/Options/Preferences/Detailed Graph Ranges

Jay Aitchsee wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:44 am

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:04 pm

For instance, the two comparisons you showed, the lines all look like they're where they should be, they're just not the same relative height.

Remember that the scale of the FL graphic can be changed in ResScan (as well as in SH) which will change the apparent height. We had a long discussion about that a while back with someone who couldn't quite grasp the concept of scale. Unfortunately, though, the labeling of the Y axis in ResScan doesn't change with a change in scale, only the spacing of the lines changes.

I'd forgotten that.

HARRUMPH! back to "my" thread, if you please.

no it's fine, it's good conversation with folk learning stuff. who could ask for more?

but, just to update-i can't really update! last night was one of those "one off" nights. or at least, i hope so. AHI of 5.23 i will just toss it off to gremlins or demons or what have you. i slept okay. recorded a metric crap ton of both obstructives and hypopneas. i'm quite sure raising my pressure from 7 to 7.2 wouldn't cause THAT.

so will leave it alone and see what happens tonight!

zonker wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:09 am

HARRUMPH! back to "my" thread, if you please.

Oh, it's always ALL ABOUT YOU! :glare:

palerider wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:46 am

zonker wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:09 am

HARRUMPH! back to "my" thread, if you please.

Oh, it's always ALL ABOUT YOU! :glare:

why, you young whipper snapper.

zonker wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:23 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:46 am

zonker wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:09 am

HARRUMPH! back to "my" thread, if you please.

Oh, it's always ALL ABOUT YOU! :glare:

why, you young whipper snapper.

EEEEK!

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:06 pm

We are going to have to stop the knee jerk reaction of "OMG your FL graph looks awful" because maybe it isn't all that awful for that mode.

I plan to do exactly this going forward.

Just glad that zonker didn't have a bad reaction to my comment. I've got to realize that most folks (including me) don't read every thread here.

But hey - look at all the great discussion that ensued. That's never a bad thing.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:06 pm

We are going to have to stop the knee jerk reaction of "OMG your FL graph looks awful"

well, If the machine is spiking the pressure, then, probably, no matter what the graph looks like on sleepyhead, it's worth investigating, and if it looks horrible on SH and the machine is going "pfft, don't care"....

fyi, I have run my machine in "For Her" mode once to see what the obvious differences were. The two major differences I noted were:

• The way For Her mode established a new minimum pressure after it finds it necessary to increase the pressure. The pressure line never returns to the minimum pressure.

• The pressure increases--presumably for sleeping on my back--are gentler. (Gentler than APAP "soft response" mode too.)

The Flow Limit chart looks quite different but I didn't pay much attention to it.
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BlueDragon wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:47 pm

fyi, I have run my machine in "For Her" mode once to see what the obvious differences were. The two major differences I noted were:

• The way For Her mode established a new minimum pressure after it finds it necessary to increase the pressure. The pressure line never returns to the minimum pressure.

• The pressure increases--presumably for sleeping on my back--are gentler. (Gentler than APAP "soft response" mode too.)

The Flow Limit chart looks quite different but I didn't pay much attention to it.

Those are two of the documented qualities of the 'for her'. I think the first one is something every machine should have.... I've seen sooooo many screenshots of people with too low a minimum, and they keep having event after event as the machine tries to get back down to that too low setting.

palerider wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:57 pm

BlueDragon wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:47 pm

fyi, I have run my machine in "For Her" mode once to see what the obvious differences were. The two major differences I noted were:

• The way For Her mode established a new minimum pressure after it finds it necessary to increase the pressure. The pressure line never returns to the minimum pressure.

• The pressure increases--presumably for sleeping on my back--are gentler. (Gentler than APAP "soft response" mode too.)

The Flow Limit chart looks quite different but I didn't pay much attention to it.

Those are two of the documented qualities of the 'for her'. I think the first one is something every machine should have.... I've seen sooooo many screenshots of people with too low a minimum, and they keep having event after event as the machine tries to get back down to that too low setting.

In general, I think it a good idea also. But, the higher the pressure, the more problem I have with aerophagia. So I haven't decided to use the For Her mode yet. I'll go back to test it more carefully sometime in the future; this was just a one-time shot to see what differences popped out. Right now, I'm running a one week test of Soft Response + Dr Dakota collar to see how that works for me.

fyi, I should have mentioned it, but the low AHI in the For Her mode is false -- this is the day that SH didn't pick up the events in the second session.