Renowned Sleep Expert Dr. Jerrold Kram to Present New Sleep Apnea Treatment by Sommetrics at SLEEP 2018

OkyDoky · Post by **OkyDoky** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:01 pm

prodigyplace wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:50 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:38 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:01 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:55 pm
Not posting a price on their website, Tells me VaporProduct or we are charging so much that if you are smart you will run.
They don't sell to individuals.
Are they owned by Resmed? Jim
Canada has government healthcare. They sell to the government for people to use instead of expensive CPAP.

Wouldn't it be expensive to do a repeat sleep study to see if they are working? I didn't see anywhere that the unit records any data.

ChicagoGranny · Post by **ChicagoGranny** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:04 pm

I'm thinking about getting one to use in combination with my CPAP. Maybe it will get my pressure down to 7.0.

ChicagoGranny · Post by **ChicagoGranny** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:06 pm

Here is what the first patient looked like after two years of usage.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:25 pm

Looks like cousin Greg--he's a baritone in the choir.

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:35 pm

OkyDoky wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:01 pm

prodigyplace wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:50 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:38 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:01 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:55 pm
Not posting a price on their website, Tells me VaporProduct or we are charging so much that if you are smart you will run.
They don't sell to individuals.
Are they owned by Resmed? Jim
Canada has government healthcare. They sell to the government for people to use instead of expensive CPAP.
Wouldn't it be expensive to do a repeat sleep study to see if they are working? I didn't see anywhere that the unit records any data.

Maybe they are counting on failure or possibly quick death. Jim

Cpapian · Post by **Cpapian** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:54 pm

prodigyplace wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:50 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:38 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:01 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:55 pm
Not posting a price on their website, Tells me VaporProduct or we are charging so much that if you are smart you will run.
They don't sell to individuals.
Are they owned by Resmed? Jim
Canada has government healthcare. They sell to the government for people to use instead of expensive CPAP.

Nope. Not true. While we do have universal health care. Items like XPAP are sold to individuals. How, or IF the government picks up the tab, differs by province. This unit seems to be available to individuals in Canada, but in a limited number of provinces.

If you are expecting it to be cheaper than XPAP, I think you will be disappointed. Just the fact that they are not forthright about their prices leads me to suspect that.

prodigyplace · Post by **prodigyplace** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:34 pm

Cpapian wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:54 pm

prodigyplace wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:50 pm

Canada has government healthcare. They sell to the government for people to use instead of expensive CPAP.
Nope. Not true. While we do have universal health care. Items like XPAP are sold to individuals. How, or IF the government picks up the tab, differs by province. This unit seems to be available to individuals in Canada, but in a limited number of provinces.

If you are expecting it to be cheaper than XPAP, I think you will be disappointed. Just the fact that they are not forthright about their prices leads me to suspect that.

OK, fair enough. I am originally Canadian but I left Canada in 1980. I remember Ontario's OHIP provincial health plan but I was not involved with CPAP back then. That was also before the federal plan, I believe.

Since then, I have been mainly in Virginia but still have family up there in the Promised Land

ChicagoGranny · Post by **ChicagoGranny** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:56 am

Cpapian wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:54 pm
Items like XPAP are sold to individuals.

The opening context of the discussion was that the manufacturers do not sell the devices to individuals. They are sold through distributors (DMEs).

prodigyplace · Post by **prodigyplace** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:12 am

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:56 am

Cpapian wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:54 pm
Items like XPAP are sold to individuals.
The opening context of the discussion was that the manufacturers do not sell the devices to individuals. They are sold through distributors (DMEs).

That is true in the US. I do not know the current rules in Canada.

ChicagoGranny · Post by **ChicagoGranny** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:33 am

prodigyplace wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:12 am
I do not know the current rules in Canada.

The rules don't cover it. It's too expensive for a manufacturer to develop their own distribution network to sell directly to consumers. It's more cost effective to use the existing network of distributors.

Sommetrics, a company providing products and services to improve sleep quality, has partnered with AvantSleep to distribute the Sommetrics sleep apnea therapy system, aerSleep, to Canadians diagnosed with obstructive sleep apnea (OSA). AvantSleep will distribute aerSleep in select Canadian markets, followed by a full Canadian launch in 2018.

http://www.sleepreviewmag.com/2017/11/c ... re-device/

Cpapian · Post by **Cpapian** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:13 am

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:33 am

prodigyplace wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:12 am
I do not know the current rules in Canada.
The rules don't cover it. It's too expensive for a manufacturer to develop their own distribution network to sell directly to consumers. It's more cost effective to use the existing network of distributors.

Sommetrics, a company providing products and services to improve sleep quality, has partnered with AvantSleep to distribute the Sommetrics sleep apnea therapy system, aerSleep, to Canadians diagnosed with obstructive sleep apnea (OSA). AvantSleep will distribute aerSleep in select Canadian markets, followed by a full Canadian launch in 2018.

http://www.sleepreviewmag.com/2017/11/c ... re-device/

Except in this case they have developed their own distribution network to sell directly to consumers. Their AvantSleep locations are taking up vacant locations. Some are so new they don't even have their webpage up and running.

ChicagoGranny · Post by **ChicagoGranny** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:59 am

Cpapian wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:13 am
Except in this case they have developed their own distribution network to sell directly to consumers.

What evidence do you have of this? The manufacturer is a San Diego company. I am skeptical that they would develop a network to sell directly to consumers in Canada. I am especially skeptical since they only mention AvantSleep as the distributor in their press releases - https://sommetrics.com/sommetrics-partn ... in-canada/

prodigyplace · Post by **prodigyplace** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:15 am

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:59 am

Cpapian wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:13 am
Except in this case they have developed their own distribution network to sell directly to consumers.
What evidence do you have of this? The manufacturer is a San Diego company. I am skeptical that they would develop a network to sell directly to consumers in Canada. I am especially skeptical since they only mention AvantSleep as the distributor in their press releases - https://sommetrics.com/sommetrics-partn ... in-canada/

It sounds like AvantSleep does the testing/diagnosis & sells the equipment. This is not legal to do both in the US. They appear to be located mainly in western Canada.

https://avantsleep.com/about-us/

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:15 pm

Labs selling equipment--in the US, this is only prohibited by Medicare.
BCBSNE, was perfectly OK with it several years ago--maybe even now.
They used Somnos--even though they were not even on the Medicare list.,
due to this exact conflict.

prodigyplace · Post by **prodigyplace** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:01 pm

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:15 pm
Labs selling equipment--in the US, this is only prohibited by Medicare.
BCBSNE, was perfectly OK with it several years ago--maybe even now.
They used Somnos--even though they were not even on the Medicare list.,
due to this exact conflict.

I think I am remembering the diagnosing doctor cannot also own the sleep lab. Their website indicates they do at home sleep study & diagnosis.

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