To xxyzx

Julie wrote:The point is that if you have so much kindness to throw around, why not throw it at other members who need help, ask for it nicely and respond with gratitude? Why pick on the one poster who's been horrible to everyone? You're not making a whole lot of sense here. He's not a child in the schoolyard being beat up, he's a (presumably) grown person with the choice to be decent or nasty - and he picked nasty from the start. I seriously don't think he needs your kindness before you give it to others who do need it. He's not 'the bad guy who deserves kindness', he's the hugely disturbed (but obviously free to spew his crap) poster who has shat on everyone else. Your math is sorely out of whack. He became a 'victim' when he invited it, when he insulted everyone else. Some victim!

No math here Julie. I haven't been unkind to anyone and given the chance, I hope to be kind to all of you. Again, you are trying to tell me that xxyzx is completely void of deserving any kindness? Kindness is not either, or, it is given freely to whomever I wish to give it too. The good and the bad.

And now I think you're trying to justify your original notes (the ones you wrote prior to being filled in on how xxxyz really did deserve what we said). We won't look down on your for saying you were (this time) wrong, and in fact would look up to you for doing so, for being 'human'. It's ok to be wrong sometimes, especially when your intention was to help someone.... but now you've been shown that he really, really doesn't need help so you can stop trying to justify your misplaced feelings. And after all, you've now spent ages on arguing for the wrong poster... why not just stop that and go to work helping some 'right' ones?

You asked somebody to post links and I took quite a bit of time this morning researching it. What I posted was only a fraction of what has transpired.

Did you read my post? Regardless of what anyone says or does, systematically or not, do you think think saying "kill all libtards" (when he calls everyone here that) is okay and warrants any kindness?

In fairness, he hasn't called YOU a libtard so technically, he doesn't want to kill you. And if you think being kind to him will make a difference, go for it with my blessing and well wishes. Robysue was kind to him and it didn't get her anywhere, but maybe you'll have more luck. Honestly, it would be great if that was the case!

At this point I'm not arguing for anyone other than myself and my right to give kindness to whomever I choose. I'm not justifying anything. If anything I pointed out something in my original post at an attempt to make you understand that my post was in no way me "taking sides". I saw someone getting shit on and I showed him kindness. I don't care if anyone believes that his treatment is justified. I have the right to show kindness to whomever I choose and that shouldnt be a slight at any of you. It doesnt involve you. It has nothing to do with you other than if you think the treatment im talking about comes from you. But even at that, it was never the point of my post. I think we can all agree that xxyzx gets shit on. Thats fact. Whether it is justified or not is completely outside of the scope of my post or what it was meant for. I'm still a little surprised that its gotten to a point where you all deny that he is worth receiving ANY amount of kindness.

ThatGuyTyh-ish wrote:I'm still a little surprised that its gotten to a point where you all deny that he is worth receiving ANY amount of kindness.

You are entitled to your opinion and beliefs and we are entitled to ours. I don't know...being called a libtard and then him saying that all libtards should be killed - doesn't really ask for kindness in my book.

But how you deal with him is up to you. Just don't look down on US for having our fill of his nastiness and therefore, treating him the way he asks for.

Madalot wrote:

ThatGuyTyh-ish wrote:I'm still a little surprised that its gotten to a point where you all deny that he is worth receiving ANY amount of kindness.

You are entitled to your opinion and beliefs and we are entitled to ours. I don't know...being called a libtard and then him saying that all libtards should be killed - doesn't really ask for kindness in my book.

But how you deal with him is up to you. Just don't look down on US for having our fill of his nastiness and therefore, treating him the way he asks for.

Ofcourse I don't condone that. I find it in poor taste. But I don't believe it means he is no longer allowed to receive any kindness whatsoever. I have never once said I look down on any of you. The closest thing I could've possibly said is that I don't agree with the way the hate has become systematic. Again, not pointing any fingers or insulting anyone. Not looking down on anyone. Just stating that I dont believe systematic shit throwing is the answer.

The majority of us ignore him. Because he posts in a LOT of threads, he tends to be on the receiving end of sarcasm and sometimes nastiness. I, and many others, only say something to him when he's wrong about something and it could possibly be harmful to someone who believes what he says - the ASV vs AVAPS being a good example.

I do an eyeroll at much of what he says, but choose NOT to engage him most of the time. And most of us have tried to dispute his claims and NOT attack him personally. Many have tried to have a grown up, mature discussion/debate with him (examples were in my post) but he isn't capable of having mature discussions. You either agree with him, even if the facts dispute his claims, or you are a libtard. There's no in between with him. Considering how he has responded in the past, isn't ignoring showing him the utmost in kindness???

ThatGuyTyh-ish,

The response you are receiving, having opened a public thread, reflects the level of frustration that other forum members have reached over the last 4 ½ months since your addressee came here. Do not take it personally. As a newbie of 4 days, you have perhaps not had time to read all the lengthy posting history of that person, and your open comment to him has hit a very sore nerve in the community. Do more reading to increase your understanding of the situation and why you have received the response to your current thread.

Practise kindness by all means, and remember that each side of a confrontation deserves it.

Jean

Actually he was shown a lot of kindness initially when he first came here.
And some of us even tried to show some kindness recently and help him when he finally got his machine (not long ago and was having trouble with the software)...and we got crapped on. I tried to be nice and help and he ended up screaming libtards in his threads where people were trying to help.

I have been in your shoes...more than once in fact...where I tried to be nice. It made zero difference in how he treated people. He ends up slinging insults and then blaming his bad behavior on someone else.

As for the responses he gets where it goes along the lines of "another stupid, incorrect, incomplete, inconsiderate response from so and so"...
Those people have the right to say what they say. I prefer to simply correct the message and not attack the messenger myself but that is me and my place here isn't to judge those that prefer to do what they do in the manner that they choose.
There's always going to be people who jump on the chance to attack the messenger. It unfortunately is the "way of life on internet forums" and while I don't condone it....it is what it is and if we don't like it we have the choice to go elsewhere.

You have the right to try to kill him with kindness if you wish. I already tried that on more than one occasion ...got crapped on and decided it wasn't worth the effort and I won't be trying it again. My head still hurts from the last wall bashing I gave myself trying to help him.

Yes! Definitely! I'm 100% on board with ignoring someone you dislike when he post comments that aren't abusive or spreading misinformation. I totally agree with that method. Am I not allowed to call him resilient for taking the beating (even if it is justified) and sticking around? I never tried to convince anyone to do anything differently. I've only done what I could to show him a little kindness. That's all. I haven't said a damn thing about anyone else. This whole thread is bassically a bunch of people trying to tell me that I was wrong for posting my original post because xxyzx is a piece of shit. I'm not sure what else anyone is trying to convince me of. Just to be 100% clear. That is what you want from me, what youve been arguing with me over? You want me to admit that xxyzx is a piece of shit human being who doesnt deserve my kindness?

I suggest you REGISTER, then share your kindness with xxyzx PRIVATELY.
You are not likely to change anybody's mind--but if you think you can turn him into a kind, RATIONAL person;
then please go for it. We would prefer not to watch. We are sick of him.

Totally get that Pugsy. 100% agree. My only thing is that I never judged anyone. I pointed out what I saw and threw him a props for having thick skin. Thats it! So what are we all arguing about?

chunkyfrog wrote:I suggest you REGISTER, then share your kindness with xxyzx PRIVATELY.
You are not likely to change anybody's mind--but if you think you can turn him into a kind, RATIONAL person;
then please go for it. We would prefer not to watch. We are sick of him.

Waiting patiently on registration to go through. Didn't try to change anyones mind. Was just trying to be a chill dude to someone who was eating shit (justified or not) and I'm taking heat for it. Like you said, you are just sick of him. One things for sure though, everyone in this thread is trying real hard to show me what a piece of shit he is. I didnt try to convince anyone otherwise. Ive simply been defending my right to be nice to the guy.

In the beginning, I tried correcting xxyzx on some things. I never got anywhere, and I was starting to get extremely sarcastic in my responses, so I just quit trying. I have never seen anywhere that he has acknowledged he's said anything wrong or given erroneous advice. (And let's face it, no one is 100% correct 100% of the time.) He continually says no one has ever shown him proof of his mistakes in the threads where he's made them. That is not true. I have seen others show proof. I have done this at least once myself. For the times I have done it, he never responded. I've seen where he starts the mud-slinging first only because someone pointed out where he was wrong. I've honestly never seen anyone behave this way.

On the other hand, xxyzx has given me advice several times that turned out to be helpful, and I have thanked him for him for it and appreciate it.

But the problem is that with his attitude and behavior, very few people want to listen to a thing he says.

I understand where you're coming from, ThatGuyTyh-ish, but please understand where a lot of us are coming from, the ones who have been here a long time and have seen his behavior and attitude from day one. I believe a couple of posters may be taking it a bit too far, IMO, in their reactions to him, but it's their call. And although I would not and have not reacted the same way, I definitely understand it.

ThatGuyTyh-ish wrote:Totally get that Pugsy. 100% agree. My only thing is that I never judged anyone. I pointed out what I saw and threw him a props for having thick skin. Thats it! So what are we all arguing about?

Ahhh...but here's the rub. While you may not have thought you were judging anyone...it was perceived by many that you were judging them. You may not have intended your comments as "judgement" but that's how they came across. Cold hard fact of life...that's what it sounded like to many people. Remember...they have a right to their opinion too.

Why not just let it go? You've explained why you did what you did....why keep harping on it?

And with that....I am done harping.
Have a good day.
Which for those of you who know me means I am done banging my head against this wall.