OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by PEF » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:00 pm

Julie wrote:I will not delete anything unless it is your continuing to use my name together with what's not valid criticism but vicious attacks. If they continue, so will deletions. Your choice - I do have better things to do (like go on with my life).
You know, Julie, I am really starting to feel sorry for you. If you do not want me to use your name, then change your forum ID to something other than your real name. It is common on the forum to refer to each other by our forum names.

As far as deleting my posts, I don't recall that any of them were vicious attacks. You seem to think anything I say is a vicious attack. If you continue to delete my posts, I will let the other forum members know about it.

Do you understand that you are really not allowed to do this?

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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by SleepyEyes21 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:01 pm

Lucyhere wrote:
nanwilson wrote:My 2 cents... both you Sleepyeyes and Lucy are just try to bait Pugsy, if you really want to know what went before, just look it up, don't bait. I also find it odd and I've said it before, the two of you are one and the same, my reasoning being, one jumps into a thread and low and below within minutes there the other is, backing up each others statements. Not just following each other in a thread, but the same language, type of speaking, etc. Lucy, you have been caught before with many identities, WHY? is it fun to get folks panties in a knot and then sit back and relish what you have accomplished.
I have not been here very much in the past while, only because I got fed up with the back biting that has been going on. You detest PR, and that is VERY obvious, but for heavens sake, he is a lot more knowledgeable than most here and tries his best to help out. He readily acknowledges that some folks get his goat rather easily, but usually its those that give wrong or unhelpful answers and tend to not help anyone with their answers. You have now run off Julie, why, just because you disagree with some of her statements. Julie has a wealth of medical knowledge and just because PEF disagreed with her, you had to pile on. What a crying shame, soon there will only be newbies here with no real help here at all.

I applaud Pugsy for trying to garner some peace around here, but I'm fearful that she will just keep banging her head against the wall and silently disappear again. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT???????????????????????????????
Nan... you are being plain ridiculous. Sleepy lives in FL. I live in CA. I'm not computer literate enough to even know how to do what you suggest. If you know how that can be done from one state to another, please let me know. Btw... have you noticed how many times several names have popped up when someone posts? That's been happening here a lot due to the ISP or something like that. And yes, I became a member back in 2007/08. Then I left for a few years. When my pressure needs changed I rejoined with a new name because I needed some advice. End of story.

I too applaud Pugsy for "trying to garner some peace around here", which I have expressed to her. Starting this thread may turn out to be the best thing that's happened around here.

As far as Julie is concerned... I did see a post where she said she is leaving. I don't remember posting anything after her post. If I did, please post it here. Maybe you should go back and reread that thread. As for Julie's "medical" advice, I guess that's a matter of opinion.

As far as PEF is concerned... Pat and I don't agree on lots of issues. However, we have agreed to be civil when addressing one another. That's how adults should act; wouldn't you agree?

I just read a post from Sleepy when I clicked submit. I guess this is gonna be lots of fun...
Uh-oh, now we're in trouble again Lucy. We just said basically the same thing in our first few sentences... crap!!! Now how will we ever convince them Okay............... the truth of the matter, Nan, is that Lucy and I are identical twins that were separated at birth. Sadly, our mother couldn't care for us (everybody cry super hard here ), so we were given up for adoption and I landed in Florida and Lucy in CA. We have been able to communicate telepathically since being in utero, so that's why our posts appear to look like the same person talking. We DO consider ourselves to be 'All for one & one for All.' So now you know our secret; please don't tell anyone. Thank you.

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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by robysue » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:04 pm

exiii wrote:With all do respect, it seems the only thing you are interested in fixing is the symptom (thread derailment). You've apparently decided that the root cause can't be fixed.
You are right: I don't think the root cause can be fixed without serious forum moderation. And this particular forum is intentionally "moderator-free" by the design and wishes of the Goodmans, who provide us with this space. Being unmoderated is one of the charms of cpaptalk as well as one of it's problems.

If you want a moderated board that still allows you to talk about how to change the pressure on your machine and whether you need to increase or decrease the pressure with or without your doc's permission, then you might find the forum over at apneaboard.com a better fit than cpap.com.

I belong to both boards, and yes, apneaboard more civil than cpaptalk. But along with the civility provided by the moderation come rules that can chafe at times: You can't mention sites like cpap.com by name. You can't link to many outside sites with .com in the suffix. You can't link to your own blog site. You can't post over there unless you register and are logged in. And registering does cause problems for some newbies---particularly newbies who are not particularly computer literate AND are sleep deprived because of untreated OSA. And newbies can't post image files until they have four posts under their belts. And there are still strong personalities that sometimes clash. But the strong personalities do tend to "behave" themselves since the forum is moderated and the moderators will step in when necessary.

Participating on both boards has taught me a lot about forums. I like both boards a lot. But my fundamental home is over here warts and all. Why? Probably because in spite of all the flame wars and my need to take periodic breaks, I like the wild, wild West atmosphere over here a bit better than the more staid and cerebral atmosphere over at apneaboard. But apneaboard is well worth a try if you really believe that the atmosphere over here is toxic because of strong personality clashes.


Maybe that's true. It would, after all, require some admin involvement, and apparently they have no interest in making the community more inviting to the people who really need the help - new users.
Our hosts believe that a moderated board would make it harder rather than easier for a poor lost soul who has never posted to a forum to figure out how to get the help they need. They also believe in treating us, the cpaptalk.com community as if we are a community of adults who can and should police themselves. And contrary to common belief, the owners and moderators of this site do occasionally step in and ban a user who has done something truly egregious.

Again, if you think that Goodmans are not providing enough moderation for this forum (in addition to running their business), then I encourage you to wander over to apneaboard.com. You'll find a warm, welcoming community over there, albeit one with rules.

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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by exiii » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:12 pm

One spam button press removes a post with no moderator involvement? Insane!

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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by Lucyhere » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:13 pm

SleepyEyes21 wrote:
Uh-oh, now we're in trouble again Lucy. We just said basically the same thing in our first few sentences... crap!!! Now how will we ever convince them Okay............... the truth of the matter, Nan, is that Lucy and I are identical twins that were separated at birth. Sadly, our mother couldn't care for us (everybody cry super hard here ), so we were given up for adoption and I landed in Florida and Lucy in CA. We have been able to communicate telepathically since being in utero, so that's why our posts appear to look like the same person talking. We DO consider ourselves to be 'All for one & one for All.' So now you know our secret; please don't tell anyone. Thank you.[/quote]


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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by Julie » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:18 pm

PEF - you don't get it... you don't have carte blanche to be as nasty as you obviously want to be and think people should just take it. I'll take valid criticism of an issue re Cpap, but not your personal shit, and if you choose to complain to someone about it, be prepared to be attacked right back (not something I enjoy doing normally).

You obviously aren't interested in agreeing to disagree like adults but would rather go on being a bully and think you're immune. You're quite wrong about that. How sad. And BTW my name's not Julie (but I have been here a lot longer than you and have survived a lot worse)!

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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by SleepyEyes21 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:24 pm

PEF wrote:
nanwilson wrote:My 2 cents... both you Sleepyeyes and Lucy are just try to bait Pugsy, if you really want to know what went before, just look it up, don't bait. I also find it odd and I've said it before, the two of you are one and the same, my reasoning being, one jumps into a thread and low and below within minutes there the other is, backing up each others statements. Not just following each other in a thread, but the same language, type of speaking, etc. Lucy, you have been caught before with many identities, WHY? is it fun to get folks panties in a knot and then sit back and relish what you have accomplished.
I have not been here very much in the past while, only because I got fed up with the back biting that has been going on. You detest PR, and that is VERY obvious, but for heavens sake, he is a lot more knowledgeable than most here and tries his best to help out. He readily acknowledges that some folks get his goat rather easily, but usually its those that give wrong or unhelpful answers and tend to not help anyone with their answers. You have now run off Julie, why, just because you disagree with some of her statements. Julie has a wealth of medical knowledge and just because PEF disagreed with her, you had to pile on. What a crying shame, soon there will only be newbies here with no real help here at all.

I applaud Pugsy for trying to garner some peace around here, but I'm fearful that she will just keep banging her head against the wall and silently disappear again. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT???????????????????????????????
NO. I RAN OFF JULIE. Don't blame Lucy and Sleepyeyes.

Julie did not have a wealth of medical knowledge - most of it was wrong. She hated me because I sometimes called her on her incorrect postings. But I was never nasty with her in early on. I even put her in my foe list so I could not see her posts. When she could not run me off the forum, she resorted to calling me names and deleting my posts. I'm sorry, but I need to call it like it is.

I still have nothing against her as long as she leaves me alone.
Hi PEF, Thanks for clarifying who ran Julie off, although in my opinion Julie did a lot of the damage to herself, by herself. I have to say I never understood what Julie had against you either. It was very obvious to me that she treated you poorly right from the beginning when you were a newcomer, and for no apparent reason/ provocation that I could see. Let me tell you something you don't know:

Back in December (2015)- January (2016), when I was running that thread/ poll asking Members who cared about helping the Forum, etc., Julie verbally attacked you so badly in one post that I privately messaged her and asked her to delete her post to you. I told her you were new to the forum and suggested she could be more polite in answering you. Julie absolutely refused to delete her post in that thread, basically indicating you deserved it (although I could not understand how you deserved to be treated that way.) PEF - Julie is also a Bully in the forum. She is not to be trusted- ever imo. She's telling you here she's going to continue to delete your posts when she wants to.

Keep calling her bad behavior out, in an appropriate way. I agree with "tell it like it is." We don't need to stoop to the bullies' level of cursing and garbage- throwing. Other people can choose to ignore the negative behavior if that works for them, but that doesn't work for all of us.

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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by Goofproof » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:31 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:Goofproof, I often disagree with what you say, but the way you say it tickles my funnybone intensely.
This time, I agree, but you are still funny.
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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by Grace~~~ » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:49 pm

exiii wrote:One spam button press removes a post with no moderator involvement? Insane!
I agree.

That is the single worse thing I have read / learned on this entire thread or in any of the time I have been reading CPAPTALK.

Instead of removing the post anyone who tries should just be permanently banned from seeing that persons posts.
Not an 'optional' foe list but a mandatory.

No one deserves to have their post removed.

...unless it's crazy Nigerian porn or something.
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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by Lucyhere » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:23 pm

Grace~~~ wrote:
We are not all equal.
That's just a fact.
Grace... I can't even begin to imagine how difficult life must be for you right now. I look for your posts just to see how you are doing. I'm always sending positive thoughts to you.

Of course some people are smarter than others. Of course we seek out the best medical advice possible. I always have and will continue.

However, we ARE all equal... which for me is the essence of this thread.

Sending heartfelt wishes for your recovery!
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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by palerider » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:31 pm

Julie wrote:PEF - you don't get it... you don't have carte blanche to be as nasty as you obviously want to be and think people should just take it. I'll take valid criticism of an issue re Cpap, but not your personal shit, and if you choose to complain to someone about it, be prepared to be attacked right back (not something I enjoy doing normally).

You obviously aren't interested in agreeing to disagree like adults but would rather go on being a bully and think you're immune. You're quite wrong about that. How sad. And BTW my name's not Julie (but I have been here a lot longer than you and have survived a lot worse)!
why don't you just FOE her and get on with your life?... she's already said she'll do the same to you. why keep fighting, all that's going to end up happening with your threats to keep deleting her posts is that you'll get your account demoted to where you can't delete legitimate spam anymore.

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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by palerider » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:37 pm

Blimey, this is a noisy thread:
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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by SleepyEyes21 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:53 pm

Grace~~~ wrote:
exiii wrote:One spam button press removes a post with no moderator involvement? Insane!
I agree.

That is the single worse thing I have read / learned on this entire thread or in any of the time I have been reading CPAPTALK.

Instead of removing the post anyone who tries should just be permanently banned from seeing that persons posts.
Not an 'optional' foe list but a mandatory.

No one deserves to have their post removed.

...unless it's crazy Nigerian porn or something.
I agree that this is unjustified misuse of the Spam button on Julie's part, and she should have her Spam button removed by Admins. So that makes five of us so far that agree; what do we have to do to get this approved? Julie has already admitted that she has done this numerous times to PEF's posts and says she'll keep doing it when she basically feels like it. Do we needs to start a petition here to the Goodmans? Or just contact them? RobySue do you know?

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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by Grace~~~ » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:02 pm

Thank you, Lucy.

*I* love your kindness and hope you never change.
I can use all the positive energy being sent my way.

(This silly internet board habit I've developed is a nice distraction from my reality. )


Lucy, I should have said "our abilities are not equal".

For example ~~~
If *I* saw someone new post who was full of fear and anger and confusion
I could be kind. I could try to calm them down. Make them laugh. Even possibly give them hope?

...but in many ways I would just be a "font of uselessness" as I could not offer them real help.

I could learn the 'quick speak'.

1) here's how to access the clinicians menu.
2) maybe turn off your ramp.
3) raise minimum pressure , etc.

...but quick speak platitudes and quick googled answers can be very dangerous.

... I am in no way equal to say -pugsy.
or palerider.

not even close.

...or several others here who are clearly head and shoulders above the 'pack'.

palerider doesn't even like me or see my posts.
...but I know he is very valuable
I am interested in everything he says and barely notice his 'flavor'.

...and if *I* ~~with all the compassion in the world ~~~
were trying to help a scared 'newbie' I would be praying someone with the real wisdom
like a palerider was coming around the corner to offer real help.

Again, it's not JUST palerider of course ... there are at least a dozen people here who seem
to be exceptional in their cpap knowledge. I really DO believe that the exceptional should
be given more ???? 'slack? freedom? respect? ... I really don't know the word?

...and even though CPAPTALK has at least a dozen 'STARS' it is still too few (imho) to be willing lose even one.

Does that make any more sense?

(I considered making this a sports analogy. LOL
So if this post doesn't make sense I can assure the sports version to make a point would have been worse.

I would be pretty useless and not at all equal on a pro football team.)
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Re: OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

Post by robysue » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:13 pm

SleepyEyes21 wrote: Do we needs to start a petition here to the Goodmans? Or just contact them? RobySue do you know?
Contact the Goodmans. You can do it through the forum via an PM.

They may or may not respond as you want them to. But if you want to let the Goodmans know what you think, then you could try PM'ing them.

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