OT: Time out and/or Duke it out thread

[PEF]

My 2 cents... both you Sleepyeyes and Lucy are just try to bait Pugsy, if you really want to know what went before, just look it up, don't bait. I also find it odd and I've said it before, the two of you are one and the same, my reasoning being, one jumps into a thread and low and below within minutes there the other is, backing up each others statements. Not just following each other in a thread, but the same language, type of speaking, etc. Lucy, you have been caught before with many identities, WHY? is it fun to get folks panties in a knot and then sit back and relish what you have accomplished.
I have not been here very much in the past while, only because I got fed up with the back biting that has been going on. You detest PR, and that is VERY obvious, but for heavens sake, he is a lot more knowledgeable than most here and tries his best to help out. He readily acknowledges that some folks get his goat rather easily, but usually its those that give wrong or unhelpful answers and tend to not help anyone with their answers. You have now run off Julie, why, just because you disagree with some of her statements. Julie has a wealth of medical knowledge and just because PEF disagreed with her, you had to pile on. What a crying shame, soon there will only be newbies here with no real help here at all.

I applaud Pugsy for trying to garner some peace around here, but I'm fearful that she will just keep banging her head against the wall and silently disappear again. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT???????????????????????????????

NO. I RAN OFF JULIE. Don't blame Lucy and Sleepyeyes.

Julie did not have a wealth of medical knowledge - most of it was wrong. She hated me because I sometimes called her on her incorrect postings. But I was never nasty with her in early on. I even put her in my foe list so I could not see her posts. When she could not run me off the forum, she resorted to calling me names and deleting my posts. I'm sorry, but I need to call it like it is.

I still have nothing against her as long as she leaves me alone.

[SleepyEyes21]

With all do respect, it seems the only thing you are interested in fixing is the symptom (thread derailment). You've apparently decided that the root cause can't be fixed. Maybe that's true. It would, after all, require some admin involvement, and apparently they have no interest in making the community more inviting to the people who really need the help - new users.

Thank you for your input, exiii. I am glad that you feel comfortable enough to participate in the discussion.

To the rest of the Members posting here: are we going to give any merit/ weight to what our newcomers have to say/ think? Aren't they the ones who can tell us how to best help them?

Even if we can't/ don't have the ability to meet their need at the moment, the least we can do is to thank them for participating, IMO.

[Julie]

PEF - I asked you long ago not to call me out by name when you had a problem with something I wrote... I asked that you just refute the message if you felt it was wrong (and sometimes I am wrong, but so are you) but you completely ignored that, called me names and just barged ahead thinking it was ok. It's not, and even when I think you're wrong I argue the case, not attack the poster... I also admit that I think your politics are awful and your economics come from places that scare me, but it's the issues, not you. So when you are ready or willing to respect what I asked maybe we can continue to appear in the same threads at the same time, but until then you're on not only my foe list, but my list of those whom I think very badly of (not that I think you'll care, but...).

[Julie]

Nan Wilson - thank you so much. I think you have lots of good things to say too and have been here a lot longer than others doing it, and while I also think we're probably politically opposites, that doesn't mean we can't get past that to be forum friends .

[edfreeman]

Thanks, Pugsy, for the thread. My first venture into posting in this forum (I'd read through some stuff when Google led me here searching for mask reviews and the like) was in a thread where the usuals were piling onto a guy who'd asked a "not so bright" question. I couldn't believe in a user to user help forum that the behavior was tolerated, and really still can't. That being said, though, I continued to read, and I've determined the main instigator (PR) is likely the most knowledgeable on the board (he's at least in the top 3) and is very capable of being helpful in a kinder, gentler manner. Seems it is more an impatience thing.

Then it occurred to me, the real "fix" might be to give PR the mod panel (yes, I'm serious). That way he could just delete the postings he knows to be factually incorrect or the "not so bright" questions and deal with them in the background. Only rule for him would be "you're the mod now, don't be a dick in public." The discourse on the board and, really, the helpfulness would be improved, at least IMHO. You wouldn't see bad info, and there'd be no badly misinformed postings for the railers to rail on . . .

[palerider]

Now don't get me wrong: I don't think any of these people intentionally post incorrect information; indeed I'm sure most of them are posting information that they believe is correct in an effort to sincerely help others. [PaleRider feel free to call me naive ] But that doesn't mean that information should be left unchallenged.

eh, nope, I think you're spot on. I don't think that people like avi and noise *intend* to post misleading, harmful info, Avi's just well past his prime, mentally, assuming he was a competent biomed engineer as his profile says, but he's no longer sharp, he no longer processes well, and it shows, constantly in his posts. noise simply knows about 1/10th of what he thinks he knows, and refuses to accept that he's not the expert he thinks he is. there's a few others that have tidbits of rumor that they feel compelled to share, without any understanding of the actual limits of their knowledge. but, I don't think they set out to be malicious.

that category is a whole different bunch of people. those that come here and post no useful info whatsoever, but instead do nothing but criticize others, twist and pervert things, look for ways to cause trouble. as Pugsy rightly pointed out, it's not necessary to name them, because anybody with half a brain can see that they're of no use whatsoever, and are just here looking to cause trouble. Those are the ones that should go on the foe list. let the trolls talk to themselves.

Now there are a lot of times I disagree with how PR in particular chooses to challenge information he believes to be incorrect to the point of being dangerously misleading. But I agree he's RIGHT to challenge that information.

unfortunately, I can't argue with that one either. *sigh*

[palerider]

PEF - I asked you long ago not to call me out by name when you had a problem with something I wrote... I asked that you just refute the message if you felt it was wrong (and sometimes I am wrong, but so are you) but you completely ignored that, called me names and just barged ahead thinking it was ok. It's not, and even when I think you're wrong I argue the case, not attack the poster... I also admit that I think your politics are awful and your economics come from places that scare me, but it's the issues, not you. So when you are ready or willing to respect what I asked maybe we can continue to appear in the same threads at the same time, but until then you're on not only my foe list, but my list of those whom I think very badly of (not that I think you'll care, but...).

why don't both of you put each other on your foe lists, and just go on with your lives?

[SleepyEyes21]

PEF - I asked you long ago not to call me out by name when you had a problem with something I wrote... I asked that you just refute the message if you felt it was wrong (and sometimes I am wrong, but so are you) but you completely ignored that, called me names and just barged ahead thinking it was ok. It's not, and even when I think you're wrong I argue the case, not attack the poster... I also admit that I think your politics are awful and your economics come from places that scare me, but it's the issues, not you. So when you are ready or willing to respect what I asked maybe we can continue to appear in the same threads at the same time, but until then you're on not only my foe list, but my list of those whom I think very badly of (not that I think you'll care, but...).

Hey I thought you left for good? Well that lasted all of less than 24 hours. Damn.

And isn't this your post from yesterday at 4:12 p.m.? (with maybe a few edits)

[grayghost4]

Then it occurred to me, the real "fix" might be to give PR the mod panel (yes, I'm serious). That way he could just delete the postings he knows to be factually incorrect or the "not so bright" questions and deal with them in the background. Only rule for him would be "you're the mod now, don't be a dick in public." The discourse on the board and, really, the helpfulness would be improved, at least IMHO. You wouldn't see bad info, and there'd be no badly misinformed postings for the railers to rail on . . .

that has been suggested before ... but the board owners do not want to have a modorator.

if they did they could appoint a group of people to take that on.

[PEF]

I agree with PR. I had Julie on my foe list and could not see her posts because I did not want to argue with her. For a long time this worked fine. But she did not have me on her foe list and she could see my posts. Then I noticed that some of my posts were missing and all the missing posts were in threads that she and I were both in. Then I, along with some others, caught her deleting some of my posts. At first it was so outrageous it was actually funny. But I did not like it when she continued this behavior.

I have no problem as long as she stops deleting my posts.

I will agree to put her back on my foe list as long as she does the same with me.

[Julie]

I will not delete anything unless it is your continuing to use my name together with what's not valid criticism but vicious attacks - you don't seem to understand the difference and you appear to enjoy your nastiness. If they continue, so will deletions. Your choice - I do have better things to do (like go on with my life).

[avi123]

why don't both of you put each other on your foe lists, and just go on with your lives?

You're talking about the Foe list? I put you on my Foe list ever since you started to post on this website. All the time you could see that you're on my Foe list but you disregard my wish not to associate with you. So you read my post and next attacked me with your own post using four letter words. By doing it you have been breaching the code of conduct on this website.

[Goofproof]

The bad thing about the foe list idea, it viloates the prime directive, Hold your friends close, but hold your enemies even closer. Jim

[chunkyfrog]

Goofproof, I often disagree with what you say, but the way you say it tickles my funnybone intensely.
This time, I agree, but you are still funny.

[Lucyhere]

[quote="Julie"]If they continue, so will deletions

So you think it's just fine to delete posts??? Outrageous I hope the Goodmans see this and remove your spam button immediately.