Should Hillary Clinton?

Guest wrote:

Julie wrote:and then you'll wish you were anywhere else in the universe!

ill be movin to canada so i can advise all these other idiots in the us
dats what im gonna do

There you go, Julie. He'll be there with you where it is so damn boring you need USA politics to have something to talk about.

I'll take boring any day over a sociopath in charge!

Sheriff Buford wrote:I think the American public is tired of the state of politics and the status quo of the political scene. Trump is an alternative. The Republicans "get it". I think the liberals are starting to "get it". The problem with Hillary (whose husband was impeached in disgrace) is that she is bad at cheating, lying and breaking the law. She keeps getting caught. She is not even good at it.

Sheriff

Maybe she subscribes to the philosophy, practice makes perfect. If so why isn't she getting better at it, can't Bill give her more lessons. Jim

bryansong wrote:About my disappearing post, I'm just not going to worry about it, someone was clearly offended by it and deleted it. I'll not change anyone's mind about Hillary so I'll just drop it but, I still think she is a liar.

Bryan

What a novel quality for a POLITICIAN to possess ! Seriously, you figure she's the first one to tell some non-truths ? Nixon or Reagan or G.W. Bush ring any bells for ya at all ? LMFAO !

bryansong wrote:Obama and Clinton both make me sick, I can't hardly stand to hear them speak. I have no respect nor do I trust either of them.
Hillary is such a liar, yes she should drop out.

I think this is the message you were mentioning Bryansong. I didn't delete it, but I did find it! I don't care for my political choices, but I hate unwarranted censorship more!

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Gasper62 wrote:

bryansong wrote:About my disappearing post, I'm just not going to worry about it, someone was clearly offended by it and deleted it. I'll not change anyone's mind about Hillary so I'll just drop it but, I still think she is a liar.

Bryan

What a novel quality for a POLITICIAN to possess ! Seriously, you figure she's the first one to tell some non-truths ? Nixon or Reagan or G.W. Bush ring any bells for ya at all ? LMFAO !

Typical liberal response. Trump makes any kind of a misstatement and it is now front page news; Anything HRC does and is caught at it the dems just say, oh well, all politicians do it. Can you come up with something a little more substantial?

Gasper62 wrote:

bryansong wrote:About my disappearing post, I'm just not going to worry about it, someone was clearly offended by it and deleted it. I'll not change anyone's mind about Hillary so I'll just drop it but, I still think she is a liar.

Bryan

What a novel quality for a POLITICIAN to possess ! Seriously, you figure she's the first one to tell some non-truths ? Nixon or Reagan or G.W. Bush ring any bells for ya at all ? LMFAO !

2 of the presidents you mentioned did lie at one time or another...what happened? Nixon resigned! G.W. Bush was replaced by a Democrat! I can't think of any Reagan lies. Why should we vote a known liar INTO office??? I am a liberal, but will not vote for either candidate.

LSAT wrote:

Gasper62 wrote:

bryansong wrote:About my disappearing post, I'm just not going to worry about it, someone was clearly offended by it and deleted it. I'll not change anyone's mind about Hillary so I'll just drop it but, I still think she is a liar.

Bryan

What a novel quality for a POLITICIAN to possess ! Seriously, you figure she's the first one to tell some non-truths ? Nixon or Reagan or G.W. Bush ring any bells for ya at all ? LMFAO !

2 of the presidents you mentioned did lie at one time or another...what happened? Nixon resigned! G.W. Bush was replaced by a Democrat! I can't think of any Reagan lies. Why should we vote a known liar INTO office??? I am a liberal, but will not vote for either candidate.

LSAT,

I am confused as in the Trump Thread, you said, "I'm Conservative and originally I thought I would support the candidate whoever it was.....not any more... Trump will go from "The Apprentice" ..to.."The Biggest Looser". (I will not support HRC)"

Care to clarify?:)

49er

To me, given the history of the Democratic party, it's unconscionable for ANYBODY to vote for a Democrat.

Their founding platforms/documents of the 1840s and 1850s called for the ability to perpetuate slavery.
Their demands for slavery led to the American Civil War.

The Ku Klux Klan was "a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party".

They tried to block the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments of the Constitution.
(passed overwhelmingly by Republicans......the party which was originated to oppose and end slavery)

They were responsible for the "Jim Crow Laws" and fought their repeal.

One of the most racist U.S. Presidents was Woodrow Wilson.....a Democrat.
"Wilson introduced segregation in federal offices, despite much protest from African-American leaders and groups. He appointed segregationist Southern politicians because of his own firm belief that racial segregation was in the best interest of black and white Americans alike."
"The U.S. military was also segregated, as were federal workplaces, initiated in 1913 under President Woodrow Wilson. By requiring candidates to submit photos, his administration practiced racial discrimination in hiring."

Under the FDR administration (Democrat), Americans of Japanese ancestry were held in internment camps during WWII. Their property was seized without due compensation.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was strongly fought by the Democratic members of the Congress. It was passed with overwhelming support by Republicans.
Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia (and a former "Exalted Cyclops" of the Klan) filibustered it for 14 hours. He also opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

J. William Fullbright (D.- Arkansas) was another southerner Senator who was a strong segregationist.

Both Bill and Hillary Clinton revered and praised both Byrd and Fullbright.

To quote Joe Biden........"They want to keep y'all in chains."

Everything I've said is from documents from the Internet. If you doubt any of it, look it up. I have the links but doubt if I could post them all in one post on the forum. But, it would be best if you do your own homework.


Den

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LSAT wrote:

Gasper62 wrote:

bryansong wrote:About my disappearing post, I'm just not going to worry about it, someone was clearly offended by it and deleted it. I'll not change anyone's mind about Hillary so I'll just drop it but, I still think she is a liar.

Bryan

What a novel quality for a POLITICIAN to possess ! Seriously, you figure she's the first one to tell some non-truths ? Nixon or Reagan or G.W. Bush ring any bells for ya at all ? LMFAO !

2 of the presidents you mentioned did lie at one time or another...what happened? Nixon resigned! G.W. Bush was replaced by a Democrat! I can't think of any Reagan lies. Why should we vote a known liar INTO office??? I am a liberal, but will not vote for either candidate.

Think a little harder........


Ronald Reagan

"The lies modern-day Republicans tell about Ronald Reagan are legion. To today’s GOP, Reagan was beloved and his presidency resided over a “shining city on a hill," as his campaign commercials portrayed America. The truth was more shaded, to say the least. Welfare cuts pushed half a million people, mostly children, into poverty; tax cuts helped the rich but not the rest of us; and unemployment during his first term hit a post-war high. Terrorists killed 220 marines in Beirut on Reagan’s watch, which Reagan responded to, not with resolve, but by cutting and running. Despite claims to the contrary, JFK, Eisenhower and even LBJ were more popular overall than Reagan (although his ratings at the very end of his second term were higher).

Reagan’s administration was filled with little lies, claims about trees being major air polluters and apartheid-era South Africa eliminating segregation. Never mind the larger distractions, like the eight senior members of his administration who were indicted. But his biggest lie came to be known as the Iran-Contra affair. Reagan came to office in 1980 in large part due to the failure of the Carter administration to successfully free hostages in Iran who had been held for over a year. The hostages were finally released the day of Reagan’s inauguration—thanks to Carter’s persistent diplomacy.

In 1985, during Reagan’s second term, Iran, which had taken additional hostages in the intervening years, offered to free the hostages in exchange for missiles. A plan was hatched in which Israel would ship missiles to Iran, the U.S. would resupply Israel with the missiles, and the U.S. would receive the cash that had been paid for the missiles. That cash would then go to Nicaragua, to fund the contras, the rebels Reagan portrayed as, "the moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers," who were fighting to take down the elected Sandinista government.

When details of the exchange leaked in 1986, Reagan was forced to explain why America was selling missiles to a sworn enemy, while intervening in Nicaragua, which Congress had forbade. Reagan’s response was to deny that arms had been traded for hostages. "We did not, I repeat, did not trade weapons or anything else [to Iran] for hostages, nor will we." A few months later he admitted, "A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not." A disingenuous way of saying, “I lied.”


They ALL lie.

Gasper62 wrote:

LSAT wrote:

Gasper62 wrote:

bryansong wrote:About my disappearing post, I'm just not going to worry about it, someone was clearly offended by it and deleted it. I'll not change anyone's mind about Hillary so I'll just drop it but, I still think she is a liar.

Bryan

What a novel quality for a POLITICIAN to possess ! Seriously, you figure she's the first one to tell some non-truths ? Nixon or Reagan or G.W. Bush ring any bells for ya at all ? LMFAO !

2 of the presidents you mentioned did lie at one time or another...what happened? Nixon resigned! G.W. Bush was replaced by a Democrat! I can't think of any Reagan lies. Why should we vote a known liar INTO office??? I am a liberal, but will not vote for either candidate.

Think a little harder........


Ronald Reagan

"The lies modern-day Republicans tell about Ronald Reagan are legion. To today’s GOP, Reagan was beloved and his presidency resided over a “shining city on a hill," as his campaign commercials portrayed America. The truth was more shaded, to say the least. Welfare cuts pushed half a million people, mostly children, into poverty; tax cuts helped the rich but not the rest of us; and unemployment during his first term hit a post-war high. Terrorists killed 220 marines in Beirut on Reagan’s watch, which Reagan responded to, not with resolve, but by cutting and running. Despite claims to the contrary, JFK, Eisenhower and even LBJ were more popular overall than Reagan (although his ratings at the very end of his second term were higher).

Reagan’s administration was filled with little lies, claims about trees being major air polluters and apartheid-era South Africa eliminating segregation. Never mind the larger distractions, like the eight senior members of his administration who were indicted. But his biggest lie came to be known as the Iran-Contra affair. Reagan came to office in 1980 in large part due to the failure of the Carter administration to successfully free hostages in Iran who had been held for over a year. The hostages were finally released the day of Reagan’s inauguration—thanks to Carter’s persistent diplomacy.

In 1985, during Reagan’s second term, Iran, which had taken additional hostages in the intervening years, offered to free the hostages in exchange for missiles. A plan was hatched in which Israel would ship missiles to Iran, the U.S. would resupply Israel with the missiles, and the U.S. would receive the cash that had been paid for the missiles. That cash would then go to Nicaragua, to fund the contras, the rebels Reagan portrayed as, "the moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers," who were fighting to take down the elected Sandinista government.

When details of the exchange leaked in 1986, Reagan was forced to explain why America was selling missiles to a sworn enemy, while intervening in Nicaragua, which Congress had forbade. Reagan’s response was to deny that arms had been traded for hostages. "We did not, I repeat, did not trade weapons or anything else [to Iran] for hostages, nor will we." A few months later he admitted, "A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not." A disingenuous way of saying, “I lied.”


They ALL lie.

How about..."I did not have sexual relations with....................."

Quote..."They all lie".....That includes Liberals

See above: "They ALL lie."

LSAT wrote:

Gasper62 wrote:

bryansong wrote:About my disappearing post, I'm just not going to worry about it, someone was clearly offended by it and deleted it. I'll not change anyone's mind about Hillary so I'll just drop it but, I still think she is a liar.

Bryan

What a novel quality for a POLITICIAN to possess ! Seriously, you figure she's the first one to tell some non-truths ? Nixon or Reagan or G.W. Bush ring any bells for ya at all ? LMFAO !

2 of the presidents you mentioned did lie at one time or another...what happened? Nixon resigned! G.W. Bush was replaced by a Democrat! I can't think of any Reagan lies. Why should we vote a known liar INTO office??? I am a liberal, but will not vote for either candidate.

A No Vote is a vote also! It's a vote for the status quo! I don't think our nation can surive more status quo. Jim

Actually Den, I found your arguments from debate.org. Of course, you neglected to mention that there are compelling arguments for Republicans being racist also.

You also didn't mention that Byrd apologized repeatedly throughout his Senate career for his Klan associations. Yes, he did filibuster the civil right right bill but later came out in support of civil rights legislation which of course, you didn't mention. When Byrd died, he was highly praised by the NAACP for his support of issues the organization felt were vital.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/po ... avid-duke/

49er

Wulfman... wrote:To me, given the history of the Democratic party, it's unconscionable for ANYBODY to vote for a Democrat.

Their founding platforms/documents of the 1840s and 1850s called for the ability to perpetuate slavery.
Their demands for slavery led to the American Civil War.

The Ku Klux Klan was "a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party".

They tried to block the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments of the Constitution.
(passed overwhelmingly by Republicans......the party which was originated to oppose and end slavery)

They were responsible for the "Jim Crow Laws" and fought their repeal.

One of the most racist U.S. Presidents was Woodrow Wilson.....a Democrat.
"Wilson introduced segregation in federal offices, despite much protest from African-American leaders and groups. He appointed segregationist Southern politicians because of his own firm belief that racial segregation was in the best interest of black and white Americans alike."
"The U.S. military was also segregated, as were federal workplaces, initiated in 1913 under President Woodrow Wilson. By requiring candidates to submit photos, his administration practiced racial discrimination in hiring."

Under the FDR administration (Democrat), Americans of Japanese ancestry were held in internment camps during WWII. Their property was seized without due compensation.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was strongly fought by the Democratic members of the Congress. It was passed with overwhelming support by Republicans.
Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia (and a former "Exalted Cyclops" of the Klan) filibustered it for 14 hours. He also opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

J. William Fullbright (D.- Arkansas) was another southerner Senator who was a strong segregationist.

Both Bill and Hillary Clinton revered and praised both Byrd and Fullbright.

To quote Joe Biden........"They want to keep y'all in chains."

Everything I've said is from documents from the Internet. If you doubt any of it, look it up. I have the links but doubt if I could post them all in one post on the forum. But, it would be best if you do your own homework.


Den

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Wulfman... wrote:To me, given the history of the Democratic party, it's unconscionable for ANYBODY to vote for a Democrat.

Their founding platforms/documents of the 1840s and 1850s called for the ability to perpetuate slavery.
Their demands for slavery led to the American Civil War.

The Ku Klux Klan was "a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party".

They tried to block the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments of the Constitution.
(passed overwhelmingly by Republicans......the party which was originated to oppose and end slavery)

They were responsible for the "Jim Crow Laws" and fought their repeal.

One of the most racist U.S. Presidents was Woodrow Wilson.....a Democrat.
"Wilson introduced segregation in federal offices, despite much protest from African-American leaders and groups. He appointed segregationist Southern politicians because of his own firm belief that racial segregation was in the best interest of black and white Americans alike."
"The U.S. military was also segregated, as were federal workplaces, initiated in 1913 under President Woodrow Wilson. By requiring candidates to submit photos, his administration practiced racial discrimination in hiring."

Under the FDR administration (Democrat), Americans of Japanese ancestry were held in internment camps during WWII. Their property was seized without due compensation.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was strongly fought by the Democratic members of the Congress. It was passed with overwhelming support by Republicans.
Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia (and a former "Exalted Cyclops" of the Klan) filibustered it for 14 hours. He also opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

J. William Fullbright (D.- Arkansas) was another southerner Senator who was a strong segregationist.

Both Bill and Hillary Clinton revered and praised both Byrd and Fullbright.

To quote Joe Biden........"They want to keep y'all in chains."

Everything I've said is from documents from the Internet. If you doubt any of it, look it up. I have the links but doubt if I could post them all in one post on the forum. But, it would be best if you do your own homework.


Den

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Well... I know I haven't changed much in the last 160 years. I wonder if they are just flip flop's for convenience sake