Sick of the Machine - Need a Cause, Need a Cure

[Todzo]

I think the causes of OSA can be found in our food supply (e.g. [2,3]), our violent media, pollution, short and non-circadian sleep, high stress low compassion living, too little sunlight, and an inactive lifestyle.
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Ok then why does my father not have OSA? He survived the war as teenage slave labour to the Nazis (you can't get much more violent without dying), worked shift work for many years, never goes in the sun because he burns, has avoided exercise since he walked back to the Netherlands from Poland, eats mostly meat & potatoes and bread and loves war movies. He turned 86 last week.

I agree with BlackSpinner that it's not all due to environment. OSA, like most health issues, stems from a combination of inherited traits, environmental influences (including nutritional deficiency) during formative years, persistent environmental and habitual influences continuing past the formative years and probably some things we don't know. I know of at least two people who are tall, skinny, young, still quite healthy and don't snore who have terrible sleep apnea and very high pressures. Likewise I know a lot of obese people who have no sleep apnea whatsoever.

I'm curious though... Is it not true that doctors keep telling those of us who have sleep apnea that better diet, more exercise and losing weight should reduce our AHI, perhaps rendering CPAP unnecessary at some point for some people? Are there studies that show examples of people losing enough weight to stop using CPAP and thrive? Does anyone on this forum know someone who was diagnosed with SA, used the machine, lost weight, got retested in a sleep study and was then deemed well-oxygenated enough not to need CPAP?

If you do a Google search for “sleep apnea cure” plus any of the following you should find, on the web, what you are asking for here.

The attested cures:

“weight loss”

“acupuncture”

“eucapnic breathing”

“traditional Chinese medicine”

Since I have recently broken the “obesity barrier” (BMI=29) I would suppose that weight loss is part of my needing less pressure.

[BlackSpinner]

I'm curious though... Is it not true that doctors keep telling those of us who have sleep apnea that better diet, more exercise and losing weight should reduce our AHI, perhaps rendering CPAP unnecessary at some point for some people? Are there studies that show examples of people losing enough weight to stop using CPAP and thrive? Does anyone on this forum know someone who was diagnosed with SA, used the machine, lost weight, got retested in a sleep study and was then deemed well-oxygenated enough not to need CPAP?

The 49% I quoted came from a study of people who had weight loss surgery. There have been people here who have done it. Or at least they were here.

[NateS]

The cure, for probably 99% of us (including me) is to LOSE WEIGHT!!

I've now lost about 100 pounds since I started using xpap...at first my pressure needs went up, then they went down a teeny tiny bit...which is nice. But I still have OSA.

This was me just before I had my youngest which triggered the very bad snoring. In fact after I had her I weighed quite a bit less - you could see my ribs and pelvic bones - of the 112 lbs, almost all the fatty tissue was in my bra. Only about 3 years before I tipped over into "severe" did I put on about 30 lbs - mostly by nibbling to stay awake and some emotional eating.


CostumeCon 87 Best in Show

A truly remarkable photograph!

But I assume the original poster would like to know whether you were wearing aluminum foil under that outfit.

Best wishes, Nate

[BlackSpinner]

A truly remarkable photograph!

But I assume the original poster would like to know whether you were wearing aluminum foil under that outfit.

Best wishes, Nate

No no. It is a costume based on figurines from 6000BC Central Europe - no metal involved (except for the hooks on my bra which was not period but I got dispensation by the judges for modern underwear). I won "best in show" with that costume But I swear that was more because when I rolled my stomach the snake moved and the audience gasped.

[NateS]

Kitfox!

Why haven't you registered and filled out your equipment profile yet???

There is a place where you can list your aluminum blankets and pillow, bed tent, etc.

We really need to see your entire equipment list!

Regards, Nate

[NateS]

A truly remarkable photograph!

But I assume the original poster would like to know whether you were wearing aluminum foil under that outfit.

Best wishes, Nate

No no. It is a costume based on figurines from 6000BC Central Europe - no metal involved (except for the hooks on my bra which was not period but I got dispensation by the judges for modern underwear). I won "best in show" with that costume But I swear that was more because when I rolled my stomach the snake moved and the audience gasped.

Any video of that?

Regards, Nate

[Todzo]

he had a better food supply during his growing up years

You are joking, right?
He was a kid during the depression and his father had TB so they were the poorest of the poor. He spent his teenage years in the war surviving of scraps of food and cabbage water called soup.

Your father had over 40 years of a food supply untainted by our modern production ways

"walked back to the Netherlands from Poland" - apparently did have an active lifestyle at one time

Really Todzo? Did you leave your brains in the toilet and flushed them?

I am simply saying that a body formed during a time where the transportation of the day promoted a more active lifestyle and the food of the day had less of the chemical and biological assaults which appear to promote the inflammation and brain chemistry changes likely to form Obstructive Sleep Apnea is likely to be more resistant to Sleep Apnea.

[tired teacher]

things that relate to apnea. Structure of the throat, tongue, and chin (teeth jaw) position. Whip lashes can influence this and I have had dozens.
Habit. Check in with your breathing during the day. I tend to hold my breath in the car..has nothing to do with the car, but to chronic sinusitis and I most notice it while driving. I am more comfortable holding my breath than breathing.

[49er]

he had a better food supply during his growing up years

You are joking, right?
He was a kid during the depression and his father had TB so they were the poorest of the poor. He spent his teenage years in the war surviving of scraps of food and cabbage water called soup.

Your father had over 40 years of a food supply untainted by our modern production ways

"walked back to the Netherlands from Poland" - apparently did have an active lifestyle at one time

Really Todzo? Did you leave your brains in the toilet and flushed them?

I am simply saying that a body formed during a time where the transportation of the day promoted a more active lifestyle and the food of the day had less of the chemical and biological assaults which appear to promote the inflammation and brain chemistry changes likely to form Obstructive Sleep Apnea is likely to be more resistant to Sleep Apnea.

Well, my parents were born in 1913 and 1915 and had undiagnosed apnea. I am sure you'll still find a way to make things fit your theory instead of simply accepting that not everything is as black and white as you try to to make it out to be.

49er

[49er]

Come to think of it, I only have problems with OSA when I am in bed.

Therefore I think that my bed is a possible cause of OSA.

Causation does not equal correlation.

49er

[mollete]

If you are just a vaccine damaged, fluoride head, TV watcher that thinks your doctors is your best buddy..don't bother.

Fair enough!

I'm going with "Burn Notice".

[mollete]

If you are just a vaccine damaged, fluoride head, TV watcher that thinks your doctors is your best buddy..don't bother.

Fair enough!

I'm going with "Burn Notice".

Although "IMHO", you could cover those topics most efficiently by watching my pal Dr. Who, since

Doctor Who Discovered Vaccines

[mollete]

If you are just a vaccine damaged, fluoride head, TV watcher that thinks your doctors is your best buddy..don't bother.

Fair enough!

I'm going with "Burn Notice".

Although "IMHO", you could cover those topics most efficiently by watching my pal Dr. Who, since

Doctor Who Discovered Vaccines

OK, got 'em all in one fell swoop!

Frederick McKay Middle School, named for the Doctor Who discovered that adding a little fluoride to water helps prevent cavities.