Boston Marathon Suspects

[Wulfman...]

I guess we can now add the stolen "SUV" to the list of "weapons" they used.
I was watching an interview late last night on CNN (with, I believe, a police chief from one of the jurisdictions) and he was telling how the older brother had been firing on the officers and ran out of ammo......the officers then tackled the older brother and then the younger brother drove at them with the stolen SUV.......the officers got out of the way and the younger brother drove over the older brother......dragging and killing him.

Den

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[PST]

There are rumors of not providing him with his constituional rights (yep ... I already know the ignorant who will say he has no rights but they too are wrong).

I have heard that there is opposition to reading the suspect the Miranda warnings, but I'm not so sure that it would necessarily be a violation of his constitutional rights not to do so. The Miranda warnings are intended to carry out the fifth amendment's command that no person "be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself..." The Supreme Court reasoned that the custodial questioning is so intimidating as to amount to compulsion. But what if the government isn't seeking a confession and doesn't intend to try to admit any statement by the suspect into evidence? If there was ever a case that could be tried effectively on the basis of physical, documentary, photographic, and eyewitness evidence, it is this one. Perhaps prosecutors will be so sure of their ability to convict that they willingly throw away any chance of using a confession in return for the intelligence that might be elicited by questioning the suspect freely. We all have in interest in knowing if he knows of anyone else assembling IEDs for another round of mayhem. The Miranda decision is a vital one, and it makes me uneasy to think it might sometimes be okay to skip it, but if questioning is not intended to develop evidence for use against the suspect, then the purpose that Miranda warnings are intended to serve doesn't exist.

[DreamStalker]

Of course if the kid has been tried and convicted by the media .... why would he need Miranda rights?

Then there is Senator Grahm who wants to lable him enemy combatant and ship him off to gitmo ... won't need any rights at all there, huh?

Oh ... and CNN is asking whether or not the kid should get the death penalty ... of course that was just after they had stated that the kid has not yet been charged with anything.

[DreamStalker]

Here is an interesting Israeli story that seems to put a lot of peices of the puzzle together ...

The Tsarnaev brothers were double agents who decoyed US into terror trap
DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis April 20, 2013, 4:39 PM (GMT+02:00)
Tags: Boston bombing attack Caucasus Saudi Arabia Terrorism FBI Intelligence

The big questions buzzing over Boston Bombers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev have a single answer: It emerged in the 102 tense hours between the twin Boston Marathon bombings Monday, April 15 – which left three dead, 180 injured and a police officer killed at MIT - and Dzohkhar’s capture Friday, April 19 in Watertown.

The conclusion reached by debkafile’s counterterrorism and intelligence sources is that the brothers were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian.

Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.

By this tortuous path, the brothers earned the dubious distinction of being the first terrorist operatives to import al Qaeda terror to the United States through a winding route outside the Middle East – the Caucasus.

This broad region encompasses the autonomous or semi-autonomous Muslim republics of Dagestan, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, Chechnya, North Ossetia and Karachyevo-Cherkesiya, most of which the West has never heard of.

Moscow however keeps these republics on a tight military and intelligence leash, constantly putting down violent resistance by the Wahhabist cells, which draw support from certain Saudi sources and funds from the Riyadh government for building Wahhabist mosques and schools to disseminate the state religion of Saudi Arabia.
The Saudis feared that their convoluted involvement in the Caucasus would come embarrassingly to light when a Saudi student was questioned about his involvement in the bombng attacks while in a Boston hospital with badly burned hands.

They were concerned to enough to send Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saudi al-Faisal to Washington Wednesday, April 17, in the middle of the Boston Marathon bombing crisis, for a private conversation with President Barack Obama and his national security adviser Tom Donilon on how to handle the Saudi angle of the bombing attack.
That day too, official Saudi domestic media launched an extraordinary three-day campaign. National and religious figures stood up and maintained that authentic Saudi Wahhabism does not espouse any form of terrorism or suicide jihadism and the national Saudi religion had nothing to do with the violence in Boston. “No matter what the nationality and religious of the perpetrators, they are terrorists and deviants who represent no one but themselves.”

Prince Saud was on a mission to clear the 30,000 Saudi students in America of suspicion of engaging in terrorism for their country or religion, a taint which still lingers twelve years after 9/11. He was concerned that exposure of the Tsarnaev brothers’ connections with Wahhabist groups in the Caucasus would revive the stigma.

The Tsarnaevs' recruitment by US intelligence as penetration agents against terrorist networks in southern Russia explains some otherwise baffling features of the event:
1. An elite American college in Cambridge admitted younger brother Dzhokhar and granted him a $2,500 scholarship, without subjecting him to the exceptionally stiff standard conditions of admission. This may be explained by his older brother Tamerlan demanding this privilege for his kid brother in part payment for recruitment.
2. When in 2011, a “foreign government” (Russian intelligence) asked the FBI to screen Tamerlan for suspected ties to Caucasian Wahhabist cells during a period in which they had begun pledging allegiance to al Qaeda, the agency, it was officially revealed, found nothing incriminating against him and let him go after a short interview.

He was not placed under surveillance. Neither was there any attempt to hide the fact that he paid a long visit to Russia last year and on his return began promoting radical Islam on social media.
Yet even after the Boston marathon bombings, when law enforcement agencies, heavily reinforced by federal and state personnel, desperately hunted the perpetrators, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was never mentioned as a possible suspect

3. Friday, four days after the twin explosions at the marathon finishing line, the FBI released footage of Suspect No. 1 in a black hat and Suspect No. 2 in a white hat walking briskly away from the crime scene, and appealed to the public to help the authorities identify the pair.
We now know this was a charade. The authorities knew exactly who they were. Suddenly, during the police pursuit of their getaway car from the MIT campus on Friday, they were fully identified. The brother who was killed in the chase was named Tamerlan, aged 26, and the one who escaped, only to be hunted down Saturday night hiding in a boat, was 19-year old Dzhokhar.

Our intelligence sources say that we may never know more than we do today about the Boston terrorist outrage which shook America – and most strikingly, Washington - this week. We may not have the full story of when and how the Chechen brothers were recruited by US intelligence as penetration agents – any more than we have got to the bottom of tales of other American double agents who turned coat and bit their recruiters.

Here is just a short list of some of the Chechen brothers’ two-faced predecessors:

In the 1980s, an Egyptian called Ali Abdul Saoud Mohamed offered his services as a spy to the CIA residence in Cairo. He was hired, even though he was at the time the official interpreter of Ayman al-Zuwahiri, then Osama bin Laden’s senior lieutenant and currently his successor.

He accounted for this by posing as a defector. But then, he turned out to be feeding al Qaeda US military secrets. Later, he was charged with Al Qaeda’s 1998 bombings of US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es-Salaam.
On Dec. 30, 2009, the Jordanian physician Humam Khalil al-Balawi, having gained the trust of US intelligence in Afghanistan as an agent capable of penetrating al Qaeda’s top ranks, detonated a bomb at a prearranged rendezvous in Kost, killing the four top CIA agents in the country.
Then, there was the French Muslim Mohamed Merah. He was recruited by French intelligence to penetrate Islamist terror cells in at least eight countries, including the Caucasus. At the end of last year, he revealed his true spots in deadly attacks on a Jewish school in Toulouse and a group of French military commandoes.

The debate has begun over the interrogation of the captured Boston bomber Dzhokhar Tsarmayev when he is fit for questioning after surgery for two bullet wounds and loss of blood. The first was inflicted during the police chase in which his brother Tamerlan was killed.

An ordinary suspect would be read his rights (Miranda) and be permitted a lawyer. In his case, the “public safety exemption” option may be invoked, permitting him to be questioned without those rights, provided the interrogation is restricted to immediate public safety concerns. President Barack Obama is also entitled to rule him an “enemy combatant” and so refer him to a military tribunal and unrestricted grilling.

According to debkafile’s counter terror sources, four questions should top the interrogators' agenda:

a) At what date did the Tsarnaev brothers turn coat and decide to work for Caucasian Wahhabi networks?

b) Did they round up recruits for those networks in the United States - particularly, among the Caucasian and Saudi communities?
c) What was the exact purpose of the Boston Marathon bombings and their aftermath at MIT in Watertown?
d) Are any more terrorist attacks in the works in other American cities?

http://www.debka.com/article/22914/The- ... error-trap

Would splain why 5 minutes after he got out of the boat they were traching him and why Grahm wants him Gitmoed ... this kid is never going to talk.

[ems]

Our intelligence sources say that we may never know more than we do today about the Boston terrorist outrage which shook America – and most strikingly, Washington - this week. We may not have the full story of when and how the Chechen brothers were recruited by US intelligence as penetration agents – any more than we have got to the bottom of tales of other American double agents who turned coat and bit their recruiters.


a) At what date did the Tsarnaev brothers turn coat and decide to work for Caucasian Wahhabi networks?

b) Did they round up recruits for those networks in the United States - particularly, among the Caucasian and Saudi communities?
c) What was the exact purpose of the Boston Marathon bombings and their aftermath at MIT in Watertown?
d) Are any more terrorist attacks in the works in other American cities?

Chances of him talking (and saying anything worth a penny) are slim to zero. Don't look for answers. IMO there won't be any.

[DreamStalker]

Our intelligence sources say that we may never know more than we do today about the Boston terrorist outrage which shook America – and most strikingly, Washington - this week. We may not have the full story of when and how the Chechen brothers were recruited by US intelligence as penetration agents – any more than we have got to the bottom of tales of other American double agents who turned coat and bit their recruiters.


a) At what date did the Tsarnaev brothers turn coat and decide to work for Caucasian Wahhabi networks?

b) Did they round up recruits for those networks in the United States - particularly, among the Caucasian and Saudi communities?
c) What was the exact purpose of the Boston Marathon bombings and their aftermath at MIT in Watertown?
d) Are any more terrorist attacks in the works in other American cities?

Chances of him talking (and saying anything worth a penny) are slim to zero. Don't look for answers. IMO there won't be any.

Please be more careful with your quotes ... I did not say or write this, I quoted it from the Debka new site.

[ems]

Our intelligence sources say that we may never know more than we do today about the Boston terrorist outrage which shook America – and most strikingly, Washington - this week. We may not have the full story of when and how the Chechen brothers were recruited by US intelligence as penetration agents – any more than we have got to the bottom of tales of other American double agents who turned coat and bit their recruiters.


a) At what date did the Tsarnaev brothers turn coat and decide to work for Caucasian Wahhabi networks?

b) Did they round up recruits for those networks in the United States - particularly, among the Caucasian and Saudi communities?
c) What was the exact purpose of the Boston Marathon bombings and their aftermath at MIT in Watertown?
d) Are any more terrorist attacks in the works in other American cities?

Chances of him talking (and saying anything worth a penny) are slim to zero. Don't look for answers. IMO there won't be any.

Please be more careful with your quotes ... I did not say or write this, I quoted it from the Debka new site.

Sorry about that. Yes, quoted from the Debka site.

[porete]

The above posted article seems a little like a conspiracy theory to me....maybe someone's been listening to too much Coast to Coast? I'm usually a fan of anything Israeli, but I think this is a little too farfetched...just sayin'

[Triadz]

The above posted article seems a little like a conspiracy theory to me....maybe someone's been listening to too much Coast to Coast? I'm usually a fan of anything Israeli, but I think this is a little too farfetched...just sayin'

Well obviously there IS some kind of conspiracy in this crime even if it's just between the two brothers and their handlers. Some are perfectly satisfied with the " spin " provided by Fox News or CNN but others are not. Events of the past few years have shown that there is often more to it than meets the eye and for those who do not swallow the mainstream medias explanation we look elsewhere for clues and information. If asking questions and trying to connect the dots and trying to understand what is happening in our world makes me a " conspiracy theorist " then so be it. But I'm sick of being lied to and having things being neatly wrapped up and swept under the rug. I'm open to all explanations and I only want the truth...just like you...

[porete]

The above posted article seems a little like a conspiracy theory to me....maybe someone's been listening to too much Coast to Coast? I'm usually a fan of anything Israeli, but I think this is a little too farfetched...just sayin'

Well obviously there IS some kind of conspiracy in this crime even if it's just between the two brothers and their handlers. Some are perfectly satisfied with the " spin " provided by Fox News or CNN but others are not. Events of the past few years have shown that there is often more to it than meets the eye and for those who do not swallow the mainstream medias explanation we look elsewhere for clues and information. If asking questions and trying to connect the dots and trying to understand what is happening in our world makes me a " conspiracy theorist " then so be it. But I'm sick of being lied to and having things being neatly wrapped up and swept under the rug. I'm open to all explanations and I only want the truth...just like you...

I agree with you absolutely, there is more to this than just two brothers working by themselves....

[Goofproof]

The above posted article seems a little like a conspiracy theory to me....maybe someone's been listening to too much Coast to Coast? I'm usually a fan of anything Israeli, but I think this is a little too farfetched...just sayin'

Well obviously there IS some kind of conspiracy in this crime even if it's just between the two brothers and their handlers. Some are perfectly satisfied with the " spin " provided by Fox News or CNN but others are not. Events of the past few years have shown that there is often more to it than meets the eye and for those who do not swallow the mainstream medias explanation we look elsewhere for clues and information. If asking questions and trying to connect the dots and trying to understand what is happening in our world makes me a " conspiracy theorist " then so be it. But I'm sick of being lied to and having things being neatly wrapped up and swept under the rug. I'm open to all explanations and I only want the truth...just like you...

I agree with you absolutely, there is more to this than just two brothers working by themselves....

Sounds like one to me too, too many questions going unanswered...

The guns what and where are they. The bombs, where were they built, where did the parts come from, evidence will be left behind. It's too clean two young men just happened to plan and do this. The government want a quick end, the hole they dig will be shallow, they have the answer they can sell to the sheeples.

This news cycle is almost over, we are all safe again. Jim

[DreamStalker]

The above posted article seems a little like a conspiracy theory to me....maybe someone's been listening to too much Coast to Coast? I'm usually a fan of anything Israeli, but I think this is a little too farfetched...just sayin'

Well obviously there IS some kind of conspiracy in this crime even if it's just between the two brothers and their handlers. Some are perfectly satisfied with the " spin " provided by Fox News or CNN but others are not. Events of the past few years have shown that there is often more to it than meets the eye and for those who do not swallow the mainstream medias explanation we look elsewhere for clues and information. If asking questions and trying to connect the dots and trying to understand what is happening in our world makes me a " conspiracy theorist " then so be it. But I'm sick of being lied to and having things being neatly wrapped up and swept under the rug. I'm open to all explanations and I only want the truth...just like you...

I agree with you absolutely, there is more to this than just two brothers working by themselves....

Sounds like one to me too, too many questions going unanswered...

The guns what and where are they. The bombs, where were they built, where did the parts come from, evidence will be left behind. It's too clean two young men just happened to plan and do this. The government want a quick end, the hole they dig will be shallow, they have the answer they can sell to the sheeples.

This news cycle is almost over, we are all safe again. Jim

Most sheeple are not .... how can we say this without offending ... inquisitive enough to ask questions, much less connect any dots and so they take the hook line and sinker from the major media propagandists and move on to the next current event.

[PST]

Most sheeple are not .... how can we say this without offending ... inquisitive enough to ask questions, much less connect any dots and so they take the hook line and sinker from the major media propagandists and move on to the next current event.

"Most people aren't crazy" is inoffensive.

[ChicagoGranny]

"Most people aren't crazy" is inoffensive.

Subtle and very well said.

[DreamStalker]

Most sheeple are not .... how can we say this without offending ... inquisitive enough to ask questions, much less connect any dots and so they take the hook line and sinker from the major media propagandists and move on to the next current event.

"Most people aren't crazy" is inoffensive.

"Crazy" is a relative term. Most people used to think the Earth was flat and those who did not agree were crazy to go sailing off the edge of the Earth.

Statistically, "most people will never be crazy" because the majority always dictates what is crazy and what is not.

Oh ... and what I find crazy is that most of the people can indeed be fooled all of the time.

Plus here is another "crazy" and inquisitive perspective, and fairly well referenced ...

http://victorypost.com/