Oboma .. another term

[Madalot]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and already know I will regret it, but what the hell...

I don't think Nan's problem is with the discussion itself, but the fact that the majority of people are incapable of having a POLITE, COURTEOUS or RESPECTFUL discussion. Despite all of our advances in technology (internet forums and such) overall - human beings are still infantile in their attitudes and behaviors.

I only read the first page of this thread before I bowed out, shaking my head. It's NOT the discussion itself, but the "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude and mentality that piss off those of us that understand and apply common courtesy and respect to all of our dealings, including anonymous encounters on the internet.

On this particular topic, I have very definite opinions. But there are a ton of people that strongly disagree with me and I am smart enough to understand that neither side is really right or wrong. So, I won't argue about it because it's pointless, stupid and counterproductive.

Nan's "childish" comment most likely stems from the fact that she expects adults to understand common courtesy and NOT behave like children arguing on the playground.

If you're going to bash Nan, it would be nice to at least understand what she's really irritated about.

Thanks Maddie...that is exactly what I meant...some folks here right now are only interested in argueing and being very insulting to each other.
I'm erasing my post....therefore, I won't insult anyones intelligence.

Nan - I don't think you should because I think there are a lot of us that feel this way. However, if you feel you need to erase your post, I respect your decision.

[Guest]

Oboma...

"When people can't even spell their own President's name, that is the end of civilization."
-Leon Trotsky

At least he spelled most of the words correctly.

And didn’t misquote anyone.

[Madalot]

I'd respectfully suggest that if the thread bothers you, to avoid it. I don't see why this thread is a problem. The political discourse is contained only here, is not impacting any other threads, and seems to be generally respectful.

A part of me agrees that it shouldn't be a problem and those of us that don't like it can just avoid it.

(See, I'm being respectful of your opinion and considering it)

The reason *I* feel it's a problem is that any thread on this forum represents the members of the forum. When it seems to me that some members are NOT being respectful of others, it reflects on the forum as a whole.

Just my opinion which I recognize is an opinion. Not right or wrong or FACT.

[RWinkelman]

22 million on food stamps when he took office 4 years ago - 44 million on them now ...

Just on that basis alone - with ObamaCare passed and mindfully knowing they said we HAD to pass it to see what it had in it, the country has officially turned to Entitlments first, common sense afterwards...

No entitlment receviing voter is going to to vote to take away... with the how this country is shaping itself demographically its forever changed, in the wrong direction.

Santa Clause VS Honest, hard word, integrity and self reliance. ... Santa Clause wins everytime due to some social fairness doctrine and this "BORN" with the self entitlement syndrome.

True story - being served at a restuaruant my waitress brought up Being so happy about Obama winning. After a few rounds of drinks and a meal and my rebuttle she brought the bill... $40... I asked her to take a moment and follow me as I was paying the bill. I stood at the bar next to a total stranger, I looked at the waitress and gave her exactly $40 - I took $10 out and said to this stranger as I tapped him on the shoulder "Sir, Here is ten dollars, I know you did nothing to earn it but this waitress did - please accept it as redistribution - she worked for you it you earn it"

And I walked out to cheers.... and one jaw dropped.. hers..

[ems]

Ya know... I've decided that this thread just might have made some sense if it took place before the election. At that time, ideas tossed up and back might have been a good thing.

At this point, it's a moot point... the "people" voted for Barack Obama as President of the United States for a second term. So, like it (as some of us do) or not, that's the way it is. I'm insured... but for my friends who don't have insurance, I'm so happy that O'care is in your future.

Why not move on to who will be running in 2016. My guess... Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush. Who will I vote for? Well, I have four years to ponder that question.

[gomer]

This is a Looong thread and hard for me to remember who posted what exactly.

But:.... someone (maybe V or VVV ??), sorry if it was someone else, asked WHY I posted my bitter post. A= someone before me in this thread mentioned something relating to veterans that tripped a sore spot with me. I loved my job in the Navy and everyone including my shop chief & even my CWO had me pegged as a lifer. I was interviewed on the JFK in the spring of '69 before we left the east coast for the Med. The CWO asked me about "shipping over" (re-enlisting) and to his shock I said I had 314 days left and was NOT. (even refused to go up for E-6, avoid temptation) He asked me WHY in front of the reporter and I told him medical care and that he was welcome to check my records, & I meant every word. I found out in 2007 WHY I my duty assignments changed and never flew as part of a flight crew. I failed a hearing test in 1968 and never told. I was also given assignments where I bunked next to where I worked, Most had a long haul from bunk to work.

Unlike many, I did not FLEE to Canada etc, nor was I drafted, I volunteered. I could have gotten a deferment, but I did not want one. When I came back, I kept my service secret from most of my co-workers, it was hard to hear the slams against vets while being one back then. Many (not all) at the VA still treat you like a thug or beggar. I signed a contract, part of it was I would give my life if need be & future medical care if I survived, I watched some of my shipmates go down (not survive).

I feel I EARNED my right to a reasonable (average) level of care & be treated fairly and with at least token respect as a human. if you complain about improper or poor care, you get black listed and/or labeled regardless of validity of your claim.

I am in Michigan and some other states are just as bad, but some are much better, I can NOT afford to move (own a home in partnership w/bank). I have done well considering I had been disabled since my late 30s and limited income. I was also very lucky I was able to work long enough after the Navy to get enough SocSec credits before forced to 'retire' early. (NOT my choice). I fought with the VA and civilian Fla Voc-Rehab to get re-training so I could continue to work, but both considered me unemployable. (MS can do that at a rather young/prime age).

[Sloop]

I'm insured... but for my friends who don't have insurance, I'm so happy that O'care is in your future.

Yeah -- we've been sold a real pig in a poke. Estimations now are that 30 million people will STILL not have insurance AFTER full implementation of O'care.

[MidnightOwl]

Yeah -- we've been sold a real pig in a poke. Estimations now are that 30 million people will STILL not have insurance AFTER full implementation of O'care.

I may be one of them. There is plenty that still needs to be fixed. But we had to do something. More and more people were losing coverage. Employers have been outsourcing jobs to contractors who don't provide benefits for years. Costs of even employer subsidized insurance has been getting too high for others. And good luck figuring out what that insurance would actually cover or getting them to pay when you really needed it. I had employer sponsored coverage for most of my life but at this point I have little expectation of ever having it again.

[MidnightOwl]

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But:.... someone (maybe V or VVV ??), sorry if it was someone else, asked WHY I posted my bitter post. A= someone before me in this thread mentioned something relating to veterans that tripped a sore spot with me. I loved my job in the Navy and everyone including my shop chief & even my CWO had me pegged as a lifer. I was interviewed on the JFK in the spring of '69 before we left the east coast for the Med. The CWO asked me about "shipping over" (re-enlisting) and to his shock I said I had 314 days left and was NOT. (even refused to go up for E-6, avoid temptation) He asked me WHY in front of the reporter and I told him medical care and that he was welcome to check my records, & I meant every word. I found out in 2007 WHY I my duty assignments changed and never flew as part of a flight crew. I failed a hearing test in 1968 and never told. I was also given assignments where I bunked next to where I worked, Most had a long haul from bunk to work.

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I feel I EARNED my right to a reasonable (average) level of care & be treated fairly and with at least token respect as a human. if you complain about improper or poor care, you get black listed and/or labeled regardless of validity of your claim.

I'm sorry your care wasn't better. And I'm glad you were able to get into the social security system before you were disabled. Does that mean you now have medicare?

However the lapses in care you describe are not unique to the VA health system. It can take forever to get a proper diagnosis even with private coverage. It can be impossible to get a power wheelchair whether you need it or not. I agree that being blacklisted by an insurance company for complaining doesn't seem to be an issue - but if your insurance is employer provided and you complain to your employer about it or even let them know how much you are using you could end up unemployed.

[Sleep2Die4]

Congratulations to the Democrats and Young People! You now own it. The next terrorist attack you own it. Can't get a job after graduation, you own it. Sky rocketing energy prices due to Obama's EPA shutting down the energy producing states, you own it. A nuclear Iran, you own it. Bowing to the Soviet Union, you own it. Another severe recession, you own it. A volatile border with Mexico, you own it.

Trouble getting good health care, you own it. Higher health insurance costs and health care costs, you own it. No budget, you own it. Our allies mistrust, you own it. Another two trillion of debt, you own it. More Benghazi situations, you own it. No one willing to join the military, you own it. Trouble getting a to loan to buy a home, you own it. More dependency on food stamps, you own it.

Trouble finding good employment, you own it. Several part time jobs instead of a good job, you own it. A World Government,
you own it. The UN governing the United States instead of ourselves, you own it. A Senate that will not bring any legislation to the table rather it is "Dead on Arrival", you own it. China controlling our world trade trampling all over us, you own it. Loss of our freedoms as we have known it in the past, you own it. A dictatorship instead of a democracy that follows the Constitution, you own it.

Less take home pay and higher living costs, you own it. Driving a car that looks like a toy, you own it. More government corruption and lies, you own it. More toleration of extreme and fanatical Islamists, you own it. Terrorist attacks called work place incidents, you own it. Curtailment of Religious Freedom, you own it. Your revenge vote instead of love of country, you own it.

President George Bush is out of it now, and there is not another good man for you to vilify and lie about. In a way I am relieved that another good man will not be blamed when it was impossible to clean up this mess you voted for. Have a good day. God bless the United States.

[Goofproof]

Finally it makes sense. Jim

Sleep2Die4, Right on!

[JeffL]

True story - being served at a restuaruant my waitress brought up Being so happy about Obama winning. After a few rounds of drinks and a meal and my rebuttle she brought the bill... $40... I asked her to take a moment and follow me as I was paying the bill. I stood at the bar next to a total stranger, I looked at the waitress and gave her exactly $40 - I took $10 out and said to this stranger as I tapped him on the shoulder "Sir, Here is ten dollars, I know you did nothing to earn it but this waitress did - please accept it as redistribution - she worked for you it you earn it"

And I walked out to cheers.... and one jaw dropped.. hers..

Love the story and I got the point of if it, but maybe because I'm just tired, I can't figure out what you actually meant to type, where it says "she worked for you it you earn it". What should that say?

[Elle]

Republicans seem so angry.

[opticalpopsicle]

Republicans seem so angry.

Why yes, yes they do. Well, they lost that's why. Are politics this ridiculous up there in Canada? Somehow I think not. Nothing will change until people can actually support themselves with one job again, and not have to have 3 in order to pay rent. What is that going to take? Probably some regulation to discourage companies from firing American workers and outsourcing, and also a change in the attitude of consumers away from, "need lots of cheap stuff" to "I will choose to pay more for this because I know it was made in America".

Meanwhile, the monied interests make up narratives about how it's the low-income people who are shrinking the middle-class, instead of the actual story about how the money is funneling toward the one percent, or out of this country altogether causing more and more middle-class people to slide into poverty. They then rely on the ignorant to echo that narrative. Then they cry "class warfare" if you dare to say this out loud. Don't believe me? Count how many posts show up accusing me of class warfare because I said it.

The Republicans lost because they chose a poor candidate to run. They lost because of their candidate's career choice. Firing people and sending jobs out of the country doesn't tell me, your average voter, that you are a good American and support the country that you are running for president in. It tells me that you are all about the bottom line, will say anything and do anything to make a buck, and you will sell America down the river in a heartbeat.

[Goofproof]

True story - being served at a restuaruant my waitress brought up Being so happy about Obama winning. After a few rounds of drinks and a meal and my rebuttle she brought the bill... $40... I asked her to take a moment and follow me as I was paying the bill. I stood at the bar next to a total stranger, I looked at the waitress and gave her exactly $40 - I took $10 out and said to this stranger as I tapped him on the shoulder "Sir, Here is ten dollars, I know you did nothing to earn it but this waitress did - please accept it as redistribution - she worked for you it you earn it"

And I walked out to cheers.... and one jaw dropped.. hers..

Love the story and I got the point of if it, but maybe because I'm just tired, I can't figure out what you actually meant to type, where it says "she worked for you, it you earn it". What should that say?

He is talking to the man he gave her $10 too,to make life fair for the world. ( "She worked for you, it you earn it") It is hard to make out! Worded poor!

Great idea but if that's the way to do it, it's not fair for anyone that works and tries to better themselves. Jim

By rewarding hard work, you set a example for others (Goals), It's a lot like working for tips, if all the servers put their tips in a jar, 2 of them do a good job and get large tips, and the other 4 servers do a poor job and make little in tips, but at the end of the night the tips are divided equally, each person getting the same amount. It's not fair to the hard working servers, but it's also not fair to the 4 poor working servers, as they are taught that poor work is rewarded the same as honest work. The cure is meet them in the parking lot with a pipe, and get your hard earned money back! Odd's are they would be too tired from working hard, but also they should be in better shape from working hard, hope they have cameras on the parking lot, maybe we can watch on U-Tube. I'm rooting for the hard working! Jim

Probably the 2 hard working people that had their money evened out by liberal management, will be thrown in jail, then the workplace will only have the 4 lazy worthless workers, and not being to get and service anymore, they will be forced out of business. I hope.