Self Diagnosing need help reading and using machine

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Re: Self Diagnosing need help reading and using machine

Post by DDWills95 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:55 am

Thank y'all for the help. I got this mask maybe a year and a half ago don't even remember where. I have a full face mask. It's the Quattro air. It feels like its breathing on my face. Feels like the bottom is not a tight fit to my face. If I open my mouth a bit it raises up. I have it the tightest it will go. Can't lay on my side or stomach or leaks. It feels fine other than that. Are mask usually this difficult to use? The nasal has this thicker cushion and I've gotten used to that. Everything else I see has the thinner silicone. Yes the mask are expensive. I've been off and on about buying a new one. Hard to say it would fit right. If it didn't I'd be S.O.L. .

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Re: Self Diagnosing need help reading and using machine

Post by Miss Emerita » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:16 pm

Cpap.com has a mask return policy you might want to look into. I’ve used it, and it takes a little of the financial risk out of the equation.
Oscar software is available at https://www.sleepfiles.com/OSCAR/

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Re: Self Diagnosing need help reading and using machine

Post by DDWills95 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:49 pm

Miss Emerita wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:16 pm
Cpap.com has a mask return policy you might want to look into. I’ve used it, and it takes a little of the financial risk out of the equation.
From what I've seen you have to have a prescription for their masks.

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Post by zonker » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:53 pm

DDWills95 wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:49 pm
Miss Emerita wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:16 pm
Cpap.com has a mask return policy you might want to look into. I’ve used it, and it takes a little of the financial risk out of the equation.
From what I've seen you have to have a prescription for their masks.
did you know that ANY doctor can write a mask 'script?

so if, say, your gp was open to it, you could have her write one for just the mask you want.
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Re: Self Diagnosing need help reading and using machine

Post by DDWills95 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:45 pm

zonker wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:53 pm
DDWills95 wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:49 pm
Miss Emerita wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:16 pm
Cpap.com has a mask return policy you might want to look into. I’ve used it, and it takes a little of the financial risk out of the equation.
From what I've seen you have to have a prescription for their masks.
did you know that ANY doctor can write a mask 'script?

so if, say, your gp was open to it, you could have her write one for just the mask you want.
Is it like a regular prescription? I didn't know that I'll have to ask.

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Post by zonker » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:55 pm

DDWills95 wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:45 pm


Is it like a regular prescription? I didn't know that I'll have to ask.
yes. now, your doctor may not want to write one. up to her. i'm just saying that they can.
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Re: Self Diagnosing need help reading and using machine

Post by DDWills95 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:20 am

Went to grandma's last night and got one her spare mask. I know its used but I got to try out a different mask. Its still nasal. On the headgear it says its a F&P Eson 2.

Noticed I had a event for 47 secs if its measured that way. I feel like I'm sleeping better but still waking up a bit tired. Heavy eyes. I know it'll take time. Anything else I can do?
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Re: Self Diagnosing need help reading and using machine

Post by DDWills95 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:21 am

I noticed too that the mask kept wanting to come off the hose. So maybe where the leaks were coming from.

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Re: Self Diagnosing need help reading and using machine

Post by Pugsy » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:34 am

Why the gap starting at 3:30?

Do you take any medications of any kind, even OTC? If so, what?

Yes. The spike in leak probably where the mask and hose became disengaged. How did you like the overall feel of the ESON?

I didn't feel well yesterday so haven't gone through the donations box yet and since I can't get it in the mail until tomorrow anyway I figured I would look today.

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Post by DDWills95 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:57 am

Probably getting up. I have three dogs. Then again I can't even remember. I take metformin lisinopril synthyroid latuda and lamictal.

The mask felt very light. I liked it. Didn't feel it leak much other than the hose coming off.

I'm sorry you didn't feel well yesterday hopefully you feel better today.

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Re: Self Diagnosing need help reading and using machine

Post by DDWills95 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:58 am

Pugsy wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:34 am
Why the gap starting at 3:30?

Do you take any medications of any kind, even OTC? If so, what?

Yes. The spike in leak probably where the mask and hose became disengaged. How did you like the overall feel of the ESON?

I didn't feel well yesterday so haven't gone through the donations box yet and since I can't get it in the mail until tomorrow anyway I figured I would look today.

And I started taking vitamins.

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Re: Self Diagnosing need help reading and using machine

Post by Pugsy » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:05 am

Be aware that a couple of your medications have side effects that could be contributing to your tired feeling during the day.
Your BP med and the lamictal
https://www.rxlist.com/lamictal-side-ef ... center.htm
both can cause fatigue or drowsiness and actually negatively impact overall sleep quality as well.
Probably not 100% of your problem but likely a contributing factor. Been there and done that with my own BP meds as well.
It is what it is.
Your cpap machine use can fix airway issues but it can't do much for potential medication side effects. Wish it could but it can't.

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Post by DDWills95 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:50 am

Pugsy wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:05 am
Be aware that a couple of your medications have side effects that could be contributing to your tired feeling during the day.
Your BP med and the lamictal
https://www.rxlist.com/lamictal-side-ef ... center.htm
both can cause fatigue or drowsiness and actually negatively impact overall sleep quality as well.
Probably not 100% of your problem but likely a contributing factor. Been there and done that with my own BP meds as well.
It is what it is.
Your cpap machine use can fix airway issues but it can't do much for potential medication side effects. Wish it could but it can't.
Completely understand that. Didn't know the blood pressure medication had those side effects. Then again its my fault for not reading up on it. The lamictal was increased a couple months ago. I know it had side effects but I take it at night. All I can do is talk to my Drs and see if they're willing to do anything. I know the cpap is not a fix all. I just noticed since the cpap is doing what its meant for how tired I really have been never thought it could be the medication.

Thank you.

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Post by DDWills95 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:28 am

My min is at 10 is it safe to stay their for awhile or would I need to increase it? Everything feels fine. Forgot to mention I did try to humidifier last night. Could just be me but feel like I went to sleep easier. I don't know if it helped with anything else. Don't think I really need it. Just wanted to try it.

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Post by Pugsy » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:41 am

I didn't know about the BP meds part in my daytime fatigue until a few weeks ago. They all do it to some extent and some worse than others.
My own sister was on a BP med (different from mine) and was having extreme fatigue. She got her doctor to change the BP med and while her fatigue didn't totally go away...it was greatly improved.
Most of them also mess with sleep quality in some way or another as well. It is what it is. Sometimes just knowing part of why we feel like crap is medication related makes it a bit easier to swallow. :lol: We have to take this stuff for other reasons so we just make the best of a bad situation. Not much else we can do.

My doctor tried me on a different sort of medication last month for my pain issues. OMG even at the tiniest of dose it flat knocked me on my ass and I was a walking zombie all day and barely walking at that. The fatigue was massive and it screwed with my sleep which of course compounds the fatigue during the day stuff. I quit it after 2 weeks. I will take the pain thank you over the zombie crap plus it made me nauseous as well.

Just about any medication out there comes with some sort of baggage. Even the lowly aspirin has its own baggage. We just have to decide the old risk vs rewards thing when it comes to that baggage.
And while BP meds or statins or other such meds don't commonly cause fatigue in most people...they do in some people.
As for mood meds for whatever reason they are taken....they all come with baggage that will affect sleep quality and the tired feeling or need to sleep during the day feeling either from just a common side effect or the fact they mess with sleep architecture itself.
Some even suppress REM stage sleep. I didn't look deep into what yours might do in terms of REM. It's not a typical SSRI or SSNI med so it might not so much but daytime fatigue is a very common symptom and I didn't dig further. I didn't see the need.

If I was a betting person....your lamictal would be the primary suspect as the most likely culprit. Your BP med...to a lesser degree but still a potential culprit. I didn't even look up the latuda until just now....another mood med and I see drowsiness as a common side effect. Doesn't surprise me that it is also a likely culprit in your tiredness during the day.
I haven't found a mood med yet that doesn't come with some serious baggage like fatigue, or sleep issues because they mess with the brain chemistry. It's how they fix the mood problem which is also a brain chemistry problem. Damned if you do and damned if you don't kind of thing.

I know there is a reason you take these sorts of medications. I would never advise changing or discontinuing them without a serious chat with the doctor about it because going without them could very well create a worse problem than some daytime fatigue.

Now we can still try to optimize your sleep disordered breathing issues which I am fairly certain you probably have OSA just based on what the machine wants to do with the pressures. So we can try to at least find you a mask that you are happy with and gives consistent results and doesn't wake you up fiddling with things and give you the best chance of optimizing your sleep quality as much as possible.
At least try to remove one potential factor in your fatigue or sleep issues as best we can. Will you feel like superwoman....in all honesty probably not but maybe with your probable OSA dealt with and mask issues dealt with then you will be able to better deal with any of the baggage your medications bring into the mix. We fix what we can with what is available and hope that by fixing those things it makes us more able to deal with the stuff we can't fix like medication side effects.

I fully understand this myself. Going down this road myself and it's a very bumpy road for sure. My sleep isn't so good from pain issues.
Pain meds themselves mess with my sleep and I am damned if I do and damned if I don't kind of thing. Then we add in a bit of Covid depression and the fact that my mom is 88 yrs old and failing right in front of my eyes and some other life stressers...it's a bitch.
When I can sleep decently though....I seem to be able to manage the other stuff but getting that decent sleep is a challenge sometimes.
At least I know that my OSA is NOT part of the issue and I have a mask that doesn't add to the problems either.
The other stuff...medication side effects and life in general I handle one step at a time and that's the best I can do. Sometimes I go forward and sometimes I go backwards.

Let me go dig out that donations box and see if I have a good nasal mask for you to try.
Send me a private message with your name and address so that I can get it to the post office tomorrow.

Edit....I see no reason to go changing your minimum pressure at this time.

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