NoClean sued for false advertising.

[lufc1953]

Well bugger me

[zonker]

Well bugger me

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[palerider]

At the expense of the obvious joke that will be contained within; I believe that this lawsuit is nothing but a goof thing,

I'm assuming that was a typo?

[Midwest_non_sleeper]

At the expense of the obvious joke that will be contained within; I believe that this lawsuit is nothing but a goof thing,

I'm assuming that was a typo?

Yep, it was a...goof.

[djams]

At the expense of the obvious joke that will be contained within; I believe that this lawsuit is nothing but a **goof** thing, regardless of the entity that brings it. The light of truth sanitizes even the most damp and moss-stricken corner of lies and fear.

In short, the fact that there is a lawsuit usually means that more information will be available for consumers to...well, consume. That's always a good thing, it tends to open the eyes and close the wallets of those that are beset by the intellectually bereft purveyors of goods that that are foisted upon the innocent by the use of fear tactics. May these charlatans cower in their own self-made fear of being penniless afterwards.

At least, one can hope.

Will the light of truth finally sanitize (and clean) my PAP gear?

EDIT: to remove what's already been pointed out.

[Midwest_non_sleeper]

At the expense of the obvious joke that will be contained within; I believe that this lawsuit is nothing but a **goof** thing, regardless of the entity that brings it. The light of truth sanitizes even the most damp and moss-stricken corner of lies and fear.

In short, the fact that there is a lawsuit usually means that more information will be available for consumers to...well, consume. That's always a good thing, it tends to open the eyes and close the wallets of those that are beset by the intellectually bereft purveyors of goods that that are foisted upon the innocent by the use of fear tactics. May these charlatans cower in their own self-made fear of being penniless afterwards.

At least, one can hope.

Will the light of truth finally sanitize (and clean) my PAP gear?

EDIT: to remove what's already been pointed out.

Unfortunately, only the light of your own elbow grease can accomplish that

[chunkyfrog]

Helpful bump for the hopelessly indoctrinated . . .

[ChicagoGranny]

Helpful bump for the hopelessly indoctrinated . . .

I wasn't going to do it, but since you bumped:

Risks:
The residual smell of ozone may be unpleasant and risky. Ozone exposure is potentially dangerous among those with respiratory conditions. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration describes it as a “toxic gas with no known useful medical application.” The Environmental Protection Agency says that relatively low amounts of ozone can cause shortness of breath and worsen chronic respiratory disease.

In fact, ironically, exposure to it may compromise the body’s ability to fight respiratory infections.

...

Ultimately, the available CPAP cleaners and sanitizers seem unlikely to provide additional cleaning capacity beyond standard methods of cleaning with soap and water. There is no evidence that these devices reduce the risk of infection.

These companies also have no financial interest in investigating this possibility. The devices sell well without any such study. This may reveal much about the motivation behind the recent push in direct-to-consumer marketing of the product, beyond the science supporting its use.

A Word From Verywell
Further research may be helpful to determine if these devices have any role in routine CPAP therapy. The risk of infection is so small, and the evidence for benefit so weak, that these devices are not currently recommended. Save your money and buy a lifetime supply of liquid dish soap instead!

https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-you-n ... in-4171650

From a microbiologist with 25 years experience with sterilization and disinfection of equipment and facilities used in the production of sterile pharmaceuticals:

I will give you some facts, and I base the facts on the fact that I am the one who works in the industry of low temperature sterilzation

1. So Clean claims they use the same technology as is used in hospitals. LIE - the hospital ozone sterilizers cost upwards of 100,000.00 and require an O2 farm (a room with 15 to 20 tall O2 cylinders) to provide pure oxygen to extract the ozone. Besides the fact that SoClean lied about this, why on earth do you think a 300.00 device can even come close to what a 100,000.00 device can do. If SoClean was validated to sterilize or even high level disinfect, hospitals would have hundreds of them rather than the 100K devices. The SoClean just does not have the power to do what you think it does.

2. It does not clean. Period. You think it does, place a small dab of peanut butter in your hose and see if it is still there when the cycle is complete. You think this is not a good test, it is the basis of the VA soil test, the test that all medical cleaners must pass or they cannot claim to clean.

3. Amazon reviews - nothing but feel good stories. I have not read one Amazon review that can factually claim that the SoClean kills germs. If you know of one, please post the link because I would like to read it. What is the basis of a 5 star review when all they can go on is they like it? Meaningless.

4. I did own a SoClean on the 30 day trial, when I realized what it was vs. the claims they make I returned it under the 30 day return policy. Why not just get one of the room ozone fans and hang your mask in front of it, they would both do the same thing which is nothing.

I am just repeating the same thing I have typed here about a hundred times; for now on I will just say it is awesome, give the scammers your money, you will love it.

viewtopic/t157842/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1 ... 9#p1210375

[chunkyfrog]

So, there may be Tupperware-type parties to program the next generation of cult members?

[Goofproof]

So, there may be Tupperware-type parties to program the next generation of cult members?

I hear they serve Kool-Aid, in nice Tumblers. Everyone wins a prize, eternal rest! Jim

[chunkyfrog]

So, there may be Tupperware-type parties to program the next generation of cult members?

I hear they serve Kool-Aid, in nice Tumblers. Everyone wins a prize, eternal rest! Jim

I remember those tumblers, metal--different colors . . . OMG---ALUMINUM!
We are all gonna die . . .

[Goofproof]

So, there may be Tupperware-type parties to program the next generation of cult members?

I hear they serve Kool-Aid, in nice Tumblers. Everyone wins a prize, eternal rest! Jim

I remember those tumblers, metal--different colors . . . OMG---ALUMINUM!
We are all gonna die . . .

That accounts for our dead brain cells, Bought a salad cutter that had rotory blades for cutters, found out later it wasn't Stainless steel cutters, they were chromed and the crome was comhing off in our food. My Dalmation took care of the Tupperware, he ate it all. Jim

[palerider]

So, there may be Tupperware-type parties to program the next generation of cult members?

I hear they serve Kool-Aid, in nice Tumblers. Everyone wins a prize, eternal rest! Jim

I remember those tumblers, metal--different colors . . . OMG---ALUMINUM!
We are all gonna die . . .

In all fairness... it they were *anodized* aluminum (which is how they got the colors in) and anodized aluminum is very non-reactive.

[Midwest_non_sleeper]

So, there may be Tupperware-type parties to program the next generation of cult members?

I hear they serve Kool-Aid, in nice Tumblers. Everyone wins a prize, eternal rest! Jim

I remember those tumblers, metal--different colors . . . OMG---ALUMINUM!
We are all gonna die . . .

In all fairness... it they were *anodized* aluminum (which is how they got the colors in) and anodized aluminum is very non-reactive.

In even more fairness, you could technically anodize aluminum by throwing it into a SoClean, since anodizing is basically just a highly controlled oxidation process, and ozone has very strong oxidizing properties.

(Yes, I know that wouldn't work, that's the joke)

[chunkyfrog]

Human behavior is the variable here.
I remember the metallic taste from my aunt's aluminum tumblers.
I also recalled that my grandmother, who lived with them at the time,
was very fond of steel wool pads--scouring the heck out of everything.