Lots of events at max pressure

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Lots of events at max pressure

Post by zzrrrp » Sat May 16, 2015 11:16 am

Hi there, I'm 9 nights into my CPAP therapy and having a great time. Typical nights have been 1-2 AHI, but last night I had an hour-long (515-615am) cluster of hypopneas even though my machine maxed out my prescribed pressure (5-10 cm H2O). Is that an indication that I should start tinkering with the allowed pressure range, or should I stay the course? Please advise if other data are pertinent.


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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by Julie » Sat May 16, 2015 11:46 am

One night is not enough to diagnose or change anything... because any thing could be responsible and you need more time for it to be meaningful.

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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by Bill44133 » Sat May 16, 2015 11:50 am

You still are under 5 so I wouldn't change anything just yet.


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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by LSAT » Sat May 16, 2015 12:37 pm

I agree...you said your typical night is 1-2...don't be so anxious to make changes.

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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat May 16, 2015 12:42 pm

zzrrrp wrote:5-10 cm H2O
If it were me, I would take the minimum to 8 and the max to 20. The machine is running very little of the time under 8 anyway. With the max set at 20, the machine will still not go above 10 unless you are having trouble breathing and need the extra pressure. And I do think you need it at times, probably when you are in REM.

If you make your screenshots and post your images like this, we can tell better what is going on - viewtopic.php?f=1&t=104876&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30
Julie wrote:One night is not enough to diagnose or change anything... because any thing could be responsible and you need more time for it to be meaningful.
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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by Wulfman... » Sat May 16, 2015 1:03 pm

It could be "positional" events. Your airway is getting partially closed without actually shutting off your air.
I agree with Julie. Give it more time to observe and see if those situations occur more frequently or if it's just a coincidence.
I would NOT be increasing the maximum pressure.......at this point.


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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by palerider » Sat May 16, 2015 1:16 pm

Bill44133 wrote:You still are under 5 so I wouldn't change anything just yet.


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5 is just good enough for doctors... blech.

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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by palerider » Sat May 16, 2015 1:18 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
zzrrrp wrote:5-10 cm H2O
If it were me, I would take the minimum to 8 and the max to 20. The machine is running very little of the time under 8 anyway. With the max set at 20, the machine will still not go above 10 unless you are having trouble breathing and need the extra pressure. And I do think you need it at times, probably when you are in REM.

If you make your screenshots and post your images like this, we can tell better what is going on - viewtopic.php?f=1&t=104876&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30
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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by grayghost4 » Sat May 16, 2015 2:30 pm

CG "Bull donkers."

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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by zzrrrp » Sat May 16, 2015 2:48 pm

Here's a SleepyHead readout with flow limitation and leak rate. Seems like the prudent thing is to keep watching for clusters like these and slowly increase the pressure range should they recur.

I should have mentioned this before: I did tighten my full face mask last night as a result of a mask fit test. Could the mask pulling my lower jaw back explain some of the extra events?

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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by VVV » Sat May 16, 2015 3:05 pm

palerider wrote:
ChicagoGranny wrote:
zzrrrp wrote:5-10 cm H2O
If it were me, I would take the minimum to 8 and the max to 20. The machine is running very little of the time under 8 anyway. With the max set at 20, the machine will still not go above 10 unless you are having trouble breathing and need the extra pressure. And I do think you need it at times, probably when you are in REM.

If you make your screenshots and post your images like this, we can tell better what is going on - viewtopic.php?f=1&t=104876&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30
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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by Julie » Sat May 16, 2015 3:07 pm

Your mask shouldn't have to fit too tightly - it crushes the thin cushion (which needs to inflate) and can create new smaller leaks... your face changes when lying down of course too, so trying on others needs to be done lying down. I agree your min. pressure should be moved up and also wonder if you're in the habit of ending up with your head down on your chest when sleeping - that will cut off your air (and cpap). A fix for that would be to wear a soft cervical collar (not the big stiff thing for whiplash) that keeps your head up, airway open and mouth closed a lot better... might be worth a try.

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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by VVV » Sat May 16, 2015 3:10 pm

Wulfman... wrote:It could be "positional" events. Your airway is getting partially closed without actually shutting off your air.
I agree with Julie. Give it more time to observe and see if those situations occur more frequently or if it's just a coincidence.
I would NOT be increasing the maximum pressure.......at this point.


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The pressure is bumping up to 10, not just in the late morning, but almost the entire night. No need to limit the machine when more pressure is needed.

Plus, increasing the minimum from 5 to 8 is prudent because, as Granny said, his machine is running above 8 almost the entire night.
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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by Wulfman... » Sat May 16, 2015 3:13 pm

Do you have a copy of your sleep study? Did it specify an optimal pressure setting?
Was there any mention of Central Apneas in it?
How did you end up with a range of pressures?
Your minimum pressure does seem a bit low to me, but depending on what your sleep study (titration) says, and how you happened to get that pressure range prescribed is what I have questions about.


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Re: Lots of events at max pressure

Post by Wulfman... » Sat May 16, 2015 3:16 pm

VVV wrote:
Wulfman... wrote:It could be "positional" events. Your airway is getting partially closed without actually shutting off your air.
I agree with Julie. Give it more time to observe and see if those situations occur more frequently or if it's just a coincidence.
I would NOT be increasing the maximum pressure.......at this point.


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The pressure is bumping up to 10, not just in the late morning, but almost the entire night. No need to limit the machine when more pressure is needed.

Plus, increasing the minimum from 5 to 8 is prudent because, as Granny said, his machine is running above 8 almost the entire night.
There COULD be.......depending on what was in the sleep study (titration).

Read my previous post. I also think it would be prudent to increase the minimum pressure (or use a straight pressure), but I'm curious as to why that pressure range was prescribed.

Edit: The thing that jumps out at me are the Flow Limitations. Increasing the upper pressure may be problematic with them.


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