FREEDOM From Apnoea And Cpap Machine !!!!!

[larry63]

6 to 9 hours sleep per night with only 3 to 4 wakings during the night

Hmmm, sounds like apnea to me. People without apnea can generally sleep all night without waking every few hours. You might want to get a new sleep test to confirm before you go crowing about how well the method is working.

There's nothing wrong with Buteyko per se. When you are awake and can actively engage in the breathing patterns, it could be very helpful. But you have no business claiming it has "cured" your apnea without the data to prove it. If you are wrong and others stop using their CPAPs to follow your lead, you are responsible for their consequences.

So put your money where your mouth is. Get another sleep study and post the results before and after.

Are you sure about that? How old are you? Do you really think that people without sleep apnea can sleep through an entire night without needed a bathroom break or needing to drink a couple glasses of water? I mean, doesn't the average person wake up at least once a night to use the bathroom and drink water?
What about a bed partner waking up and making some noise?

To say that anyone who can't sleep through an entire night, must have sleep apnea, to me is rediculous!

Can you go through 4 hours without having to drink some water or to pee? Good for you. I can't.

[Sillyme]

To say that anyone who can't sleep through an entire night, must have sleep apnea, to me is rediculous!
Can you go through 4 hours without having to drink some water or to pee? Good for you. I can't.

He did say generally. I am 62. I have found that as my sleep numbers get better I make fewer trips to the bathroom at night. Someone else posted that the digestive system shuts down during deep sleep. Maybe there is a correlation here. I'm down to once a night.

[Vladesch]

Why do I get the feeling the OP is trying hard to sell me something.

[larry63]

6 to 9 hours sleep per night with only 3 to 4 wakings during the night

Hmmm, sounds like apnea to me. People without apnea can generally sleep all night without waking every few hours. You might want to get a new sleep test to confirm before you go crowing about how well the method is working.

There's nothing wrong with Buteyko per se. When you are awake and can actively engage in the breathing patterns, it could be very helpful. But you have no business claiming it has "cured" your apnea without the data to prove it. If you are wrong and others stop using their CPAPs to follow your lead, you are responsible for their consequences.

So put your money where your mouth is. Get another sleep study and post the results before and after.

Are you sure about that? How old are you? Do you really think that people without sleep apnea can sleep through an entire night without needed a bathroom break or needing to drink a couple glasses of water? I mean, doesn't the average person wake up at least once a night to use the bathroom and drink water?
What about a bed partner waking up and making some noise?

To say that anyone who can't sleep through an entire night, must have sleep apnea, to me is rediculous!

Can you go through 4 hours without having to drink some water or to pee? Good for you. I can't.

Ok, I am glad you mentioned "generally". Because otherwise you would be implying that waking up in the middle of the night to drink a couple of glasses of water or to wake up to go to the bathroom once or twice implies a need for a sleep study!

Don't get me wrong, if I'm still feeling like crap

[larry63]

It still smells like advertisement which is not the purpose of the forum. It's just like you protest too much -- like there is money at stake.

G'day Junebug999 - I will repeat myself as I have said this many times already in my previous posts - the Buteyko course I just completed 4 days ago in Australia came with a 100% money back Guarantee if the person did not repond to the training - they are entitled to their money back no questions asked - so where pray tell 'IS THERE MONEY AT STAKE'

Their is another Australian gentleman on this forum{ please excuse me for not remembering your name at present } who having read my posts said he would investigate further and maybe try the Buteyko method out - If he does go ahead with the 5 day course he will be offered a 100% money back guarantee I hope the gentleman in question will post back here to CONFIRM THIS FACT !

The gentleman in question lives in Brisbane Australia - the same place I just completed the 5 day Buteyko course if the gentleman does the course he will have the same teacher as me Brian Firth and Brian himself will confirm to this gentleman if he asks him that YES a man by the name of bi - polar mark did indeed complete the course with him the the month of September 2010.

I do not work for any company or have any affiliation what so ever with Buteyko apart from being a recent graduate of their 5 day course.

Once again - 'WHERE IS THERE MONEY AT STAKE' - THERE IS NONE AND THAT 'FACT' IS QUITE OBVIOUS !!!!!!!!!!!

Have a great day I know I will - Chopper.

Dear Chopper,

Thank you for putting

It still smells like advertisement which is not the purpose of the forum. It's just like you protest too much -- like there is money at stake.

G'day Junebug999 - I will repeat myself as I have said this many times already in my previous posts - the Buteyko course I just completed 4 days ago in Australia came with a 100% money back Guarantee if the person did not repond to the training - they are entitled to their money back no questions asked - so where pray tell 'IS THERE MONEY AT STAKE'

Their is another Australian gentleman on this forum{ please excuse me for not remembering your name at present } who having read my posts said he would investigate further and maybe try the Buteyko method out - If he does go ahead with the 5 day course he will be offered a 100% money back guarantee I hope the gentleman in question will post back here to CONFIRM THIS FACT !

The gentleman in question lives in Brisbane Australia - the same place I just completed the 5 day Buteyko course if the gentleman does the course he will have the same teacher as me Brian Firth and Brian himself will confirm to this gentleman if he asks him that YES a man by the name of bi - polar mark did indeed complete the course with him the the month of September 2010.

I do not work for any company or have any affiliation what so ever with Buteyko apart from being a recent graduate of their 5 day course.

Once again - 'WHERE IS THERE MONEY AT STAKE' - THERE IS NONE AND THAT 'FACT' IS QUITE OBVIOUS !!!!!!!!!!!


Dear Chopper, i THANK YOU for the HEARTFELT MESSAGE!!! I will be in contact with you to buy the SLEEEP ANPNEA CURE that you are offering.


Have a great day I know I will - Chopper.

[Sillyme]

Dear Chopper,
Thank you for putting

[Junebug999]

Why do I get the feeling the OP is trying hard to sell me something.

That's the same feeling I keep getting....they protest too much.......

[SleepingUgly]

I have zero need to drink water in the middle of the night, but I'm sure if I did, I would be going to the bathroom more frequently!

[allen476]

G'day Junebug999 - I will repeat myself as I have said this many times already in my previous posts - the Buteyko course I just completed 4 days ago in Australia came with a 100% money back Guarantee if the person did not repond to the training - they are entitled to their money back no questions asked - so where pray tell 'IS THERE MONEY AT STAKE'

Are they going to refund the $4000 it is going to cost for me to fly to Australia?

Admit it, this is an ad. By you NOT wanting another sleep study, you can not offer any evidence that it works. All we have is your word that it does. Sounds like snake oil to me.

Allen

[SleepingUgly]

Are you people trying to say that the OP has some financial stake in this treatment?

[DreamOn]

I have zero need to drink water in the middle of the night....

Me too. I've never needed to get a drink of water during the night. As for bathroom trips during the night, that need went away after one month of CPAP use. I don't get up at all during the night now.

Diabetes can cause both thirst and excessive urination. Many people with untreated (or inadequately treated) sleep apnea have nocturia (frequent need to urinate at night). It often goes away after therapy is effective.

[chopper999]

G'day Junebug999 - I will repeat myself as I have said this many times already in my previous posts - the Buteyko course I just completed 4 days ago in Australia came with a 100% money back Guarantee if the person did not repond to the training - they are entitled to their money back no questions asked - so where pray tell 'IS THERE MONEY AT STAKE'

Are they going to refund the $4000 it is going to cost for me to fly to Australia?

Admit it, this is an ad. By you NOT wanting another sleep study, you can not offer any evidence that it works. All we have is your word that it does. Sounds like snake oil to me.

Allen

[chopper999]

G'day Junebug999 - I will repeat myself as I have said this many times already in my previous posts - the Buteyko course I just completed 4 days ago in Australia came with a 100% money back Guarantee if the person did not repond to the training - they are entitled to their money back no questions asked - so where pray tell 'IS THERE MONEY AT STAKE'

Are they going to refund the $4000 it is going to cost for me to fly to Australia?

Admit it, this is an ad. By you NOT wanting another sleep study, you can not offer any evidence that it works. All we have is your word that it does. Sounds like snake oil to me.

Allen

G'day allen476 -

Please see my previous posts regarding another sleep study in the not too distant future - if they will let me do the sleep study with my mouth taped SHUT I am all for it {Perhaps you could shed some light on that question being a sleep tech and all}- but right now I am only in the early phase of my Butekyo treatment {11 days} which if you read my all my previous posts you will see how happy I am about my progress at finally being able to sleep at night with plenty of REM - Dreams - and no choking, gasping or waking up 30 times a night getting only 2 to 3 hours light sleep a night which was me and had been me for a very long time only 10 days ago.

Once again this is not an AD - PLEASE READ --- MY PREVIOUS POST ---

I will repeat myself as I have said this many times already in my previous posts - the Buteyko course I just completed 4 days ago in Australia came with a 100% money back Guarantee if the person did not respond to the training - they are entitled to their money back no questions asked - so where pray tell 'IS THERE MONEY AT STAKE'

Their is another Australian gentleman on this forum {please excuse me for not remembering your name at present} who having read my posts said he would investigate further and maybe try the Buteyko method out - If he does go ahead with the 5 day course he will be offered a 100% money back guarantee I hope the gentleman in question will post back here to CONFIRM THIS FACT!

The gentleman in question lives in Brisbane Australia - the same place I just completed the 5 day Buteyko course if the gentleman does the course he will have the same teacher as me Brian Firth and Brian himself will confirm to this gentleman if he asks him that YES a man by the name of bi - polar mark did indeed complete the course with him the month of September 2010.

I do not work for any company or have any affiliation what so ever with Buteyko apart from being a recent graduate of their 5-day course.

Once again - 'WHERE IS THERE MONEY AT STAKE' - THERE IS NONE AND THAT 'FACT' IS QUITE OBVIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!

For a scientific explanation of Buteyko method please see this PDF link –

By Mary Birch. Obstructive sleep apnoea and breathing retraining.....
http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&source= ... fp=1&cad=b

The PDF is at the top of the Google search page

For video explanation of Buteyko method please see this link –

http://www.buteykohealth.com.au/index.p ... &Itemid=36


Have a nice day I know I will - Chopper.

p.s.

There are Butekyo clinics in many parts of the world but they will touch the potential $$$$ in cpap and accessories sales per year – so relax you will never be out of a job as a sleep tech.

[chopper999]

G'day meant to say at the end of my last post - There are many Butekyo clinics to be found in the world however the will NEVER touch or effect the millions of sales in cpap machines and the bits and bobs that go with them.


Left out the 'NEVER' - sorry.

Chopper.

[Breathe Jimbo]

The bottom line is that a sleep study is required to know whether Buteyko can change breathing while asleep so that CPAP becomes unnecessary. Even the presenter in the video says not to stop using CPAP until the elimination of apneas is confirmed by "observed breathing" during sleep. The only reliable "observed breathing" is a sleep study. Further discussion is pointless without confirmation by a sleep study.