Reviews of new AirFit P10 Resmed nasal pillow mask thread

[Sludge]

Well, "IMHO", it appears that the "memory elastic" is going to need some ginko.

A potential fix might be to sew some elastic band



along the side of the headgear



to add a little more adjustment.

Or take a 1/2 to 1" band and just make a new headgear.

[Sludge]

I read a lot on this site and you sound a lot like.......

If you are hearing things when you read, I would suggest you have a bigger problem than worrying about who I might be.

[Sludge]

Or maybe turn the back straps into Velcro:

For only 2 bucks

[Sludge]

Also, it seems to me that if everybody can only get this thing to fit for a few days before it don't (although it looks like JC824 pressures might be prohibitive for P10), perhaps ResMed might want to consider a little redesign before we see N10 and F10.

[jencat824]

Also, it seems to me that if everybody can only get this thing to fit for a few days before it don't (although it looks like JC824 pressures might be prohibitive for P10), perhaps ResMed might want to consider a little redesign before we see N10 and F10.

Well Sludge, you may have found my answer. I do have seal problems with many nasal pillow masks. The two that work for me are Swift LT & Piliaro. I'm going to give the P10 a couple more tries & if no more luck, then back it goes. Thanks.

Jen

[Sludge]

Continuing to search for workarounds to increase tension on the seal (although keeping in mind that too much tension defeats the whole principle of "pillows") the elastic strap that comes with oxygen masks looks to be the perfect width, is much stronger than sewing-variety elastics, and, depending on who you know, "free":

[Thewino]

I tried all three sizes of pillows with this mask but continued to get leak rates from 25-30. The mask is so very comfortable that I wanted to try something to make it work.

Therefore, on the bottom strap that goes over your head, I made the strap about one inch shorter by making a loop and sewing it.

Last night was the first time I used the mask with the new modifications I made. I have to report that I am so happy I did this. By making the lower strap shorter, it tightened the mask up enough so I didn't get the high leak rates I was experiencing. My AHI last night was 2.6 and my leak rate was 9.

Now, I really like this mask. It is so light and comfortable. And the new venting is the best available on the market. It is very, very quiet and does not blast out an uncomfortable barrage of air on your sleeping partner.

This mask is a keeper for me.

Thanks all,
TheWino

[jagzoo]

Hi, I lurk a jot t just had to post on this.

Am so far a committed Tap Pap user. Better than all the other brands I have tried so far since 12/12. But I have spent 1( now only 1', I will update)night on this new mask. I really didn't expect much as I turn from side to side in my sleep ( do wake up to do it) and the Tap Pap is so solid it never moves. But was really pleasantly surprised by this mask! Never had to adjust it, no leaks and very comfortable. Head gear fit well, not obtrusive. Much better than Fx for her, Do think its a good idea to have a mask that I can use when I don't want anything in my mouth am going to try it agian tonight. But with free shipping and insurance from CPAP.com it seemed like, why not try it.

[flyingwithoutwings]

I used the AirFit last night for the 2nd night and the leaks were high (68/78). Didn't wake me up but my AHI (<2 with the Wisp) was 3.96 the first night and 5.42 last night. I like that it's so light and no blast of air blowing out but I want my AHI's to go down not up. I'll try for a few more nights. I don't want to make adjustments to the headgear cause I won't be able to return it if it doesn't work for me. I was so hoping this mask would work after reading all the good reviews. Swift FX didn't quite work for me either can't control leaks no matter what size pillow I use. I guess nasal pillows just aren't for me.

[HerbM]

Ok, I am brand new to this (2 nights on therapy with the P10 & 3 hours awake in the sleep lab with an oral nasal mask IN TOTAL.)

I like that the P10 is minimalist. I like that it is trivial to put on and to take off. (So far I have not problem from removing my mask while sleeping.)

It works almost TOO WELL for me -- I rouse (e.g., to turn over or just because) and have trouble telling if the machine is on. The mask is quiet and the airflow is likely near my minimum.) The only sounds at that time are from my own breath through the mask; I can't even hear what the mask is doing on it's own.

I have had to learn (by checking unnecessarily) that everything is "ok". Seriously, I kept thinking the machine had turned off. Finally dawned on me that merely opening my mouth was the simplest and easiest way to check.

My mouth is never opening on it's own, except maybe on the rare cough (I have learned to even cough mostly with my mouth closed.)

My problem and maybe this is the mask, or all pillow masks, or something I am doing wrong????

Usually one or the other naris is being 'poked' by a pillow -- this is a very low level nuisance and generally tolerable but still mildly annoying and if this was corrected the mask would be nearly perfect for me.

Am I doing something wrong?

Is the pillow too deep? Am I twisting the headgear and putting side pressure on the fit? Is checking air flow by briefly pulling a pillow away contributing to the irritation?

It seems to be the most uncomfortable when removing the pillow from the naris, almost like pulling a band aid off a wound (but less painful/uncomfortable).

Finally figuring out that I can check air flow (hey, I was mostly half awake doing this) by just opening my mouth means that I don't have to move the mask to be sure it is fitting and working.

This discomfort is mostly a "skin pressure" (as in bed sore, not airflow) thing. It's generally specific to JUST the "inner wall,posterior corner, near the opening of a single naris".

Is this as good as it gets?
(I am not actively complaining, but it would be nice to remove this annoyance.)

Is this a problem for *me only* or for the Airfit P10 in particular or for many people and most pillow masks?

Does anyone know how this would likely compare to an F&P Pilairo mask?

BTW, during my initial nap test drive on Friday, I tried the MEDIUM pillows that came installed but despite being a "big guy" switched to the SMALL pillows from there on out and that seemed to help a bit.

It wasn't so much that the pillows were too big in general, but rather that they seemed "too far apart", more a width (spacing) than volume issue.

[robysue]

I've read the whole thread. And I'm really intrigued by the AirFit P10 because the Swift FX's exhaust flow has always been the big issue for me, but I've yet to find something else that I can make work comfort wise. And if my mask DME (whom I don't like, but they do carry Resmed products) is willing to get it for me, I'll probably give it a shot when I'm next due for a mask.

I see a lot of positive comments when comparing this mask to the Swift FX (my current mask) and the Pilaro (which I tried, but could not use). And I have some questions:

1) The problem I had with the Pilaro was with the ultra-thin construction of the pillows unit itself. I've gotten extremely used to tugging (apparently not so gently) on the Swift FX pillows anytime I need to readjust the pillows or scratch my nostrils. I've never torn a hole in a Swift FX, but I tore a massive hole in not one, but two Pilaro pillows in less than three nights of use simply by trying to yank on them to reset the pillows more comfortably against my nostrils. End of the Pilaro trial for me. So my first question is: How sturdy are the pillows themselves? Will they tolerate the same kind of yanking on them as the FX or are they as dainty as Pilaro's?

2) Are the side straps over the cheeks rigid or semi-rigid? Or rather, I should ask: How rigid are the long things that attach directly to the mask frame and then get covered by the cloth straps? The pieces I'm talking about are shown really clearly in this picture of a partially assembled AirFit P10:

What I didn't like about the Opus 360 and the Swift LT when I was starting PAP 3.5 years ago was the fact that even though the side straps were cloth, they both had these semi-rigid pieces reinforcing the part of straps that go over the cheekbones. And they simply did not fit my very high and pronounced cheek bones.

3) How hard or rigid is the cradle part of the frame that the pillows attach to? It looks like it is made out of very hard, rigid plastic, and I'm worried that if the pillows (and cradle) are not sufficiently "smooshy", that may cause problems when I'm sleeping on my side, which I do most of the time.

[Pugsy]

2) Are the side straps over the cheeks rigid or semi-rigid? Or rather, I should ask: How rigid are the long things that attach directly to the mask frame and then get covered by the cloth straps?

They feel like there is a thin silicone strap inside. Flexible like the silicon strap on the Swift FX if not more flexible. I can bend it so it touches each other. Just firm enough to offer a wee bit of support.

3) How hard or rigid is the cradle part of the frame that the pillows attach to? It looks like it is made out of very hard, rigid plastic, and I'm worried that if the pillows (and cradle) are not sufficiently "smooshy", that may cause problems when I'm sleeping on my side, which I do most of the time.

It's rigid like any other shell but it is very small and really doesn't have much of a presence.
I have not had any issues with it being noticeable though. In fact I never notice the cradle when sleeping on my side or even on my stomach. Hadn't even thought about it until you asked.

I have been using the P10 mask the last 3 nights...toothache on one of my bottom teeth so haven't been using the Tap Pap.
The more I use it the better I like it.
I have decided it now ranks in number 2 spot of my preferences...moved the Swift FX down to number 3.

Go ahead and get it when you can. If you hate it...I have a brand new unopened Swift FX for Her that I will swap you for the P10.

[sleeplessinaz]

If you want to try a great nasal pillow mask - it's the Aloha! The headgear is minimal and it's adjustable!! Resmed just needs to start listening to us - the CPAP mask users and make the headgear adjustable! One size will not and does not fit all. The P10 might be comfortable but if you get major leaks due to a headgear that doesn't fit, what good is it then?

I also have tried the new nasal mask that came out recenty - the Nuance Pro! It's a great nasal pillow mask but there again - no headgear adjustments. So it is just sitting where all my masks go when they don't work. I haven't sent it back as I keep thinking I can do a workaround. For the amount of money we pay for these masks- why can't they just make the headgear adjustable? I don't think I should have to get out a sewing machine, or buy a bunch of Velcro to make this mask work for me. Sad.

[Pugsy]

If you want to try a great nasal pillow mask - it's the Aloha! The headgear is minimal and it's adjustable!! Resmed just needs to start listening to us - the CPAP mask users and make the headgear adjustable! One size will not and does not fit all. The P10 might be comfortable but if you get major leaks due to a headgear that doesn't fit, what good is it then?

This is where we have to say "one man's treasure is another man's trash"....
I don't find the Aloha headgear minimal at all...It's a nice mask but there are others that I like much better with less headgear.

ResMed does make a mask with adjustable headgear...it's called the Swift FX.

Have you even tried the P10?
I thought you decided not to try it because of your past experience with other one size fits all masks.
Did I miss where you actually tried it and it didn't work out?

I am not having major leaks at all and find the headgear quite comfortable (but it did take a couple of days for me to be happy with it but remember I was coming from a no headgear at all mask) now. In fact my leak line looks really good for last night with 95% leak number being only 9.0 and for me that's real good because I usually have a little mouth breathing.

[Sludge]

If you want to try a great nasal pillow mask - it's the Aloha! The headgear is minimal and it's adjustable!! Resmed just needs to start listening to us - the CPAP mask users and make the headgear adjustable! One size will not and does not fit all. The P10 might be comfortable but if you get major leaks due to a headgear that doesn't fit, what good is it then?

Have you even tried the P10?

Nope!

Just 6 posts complaining how crummy it is.

Then people ask why I hate everybody...