British Social Medicine - Disaster

chunkyfrog wrote:It is a pity that these "friendly disagreement marathons" tend to cause urgent requests for help to drift down where they will not be noticed.
I was under the impression this was a "help forum"
--not a soapbox for those who seem to believe their powers of persuasion more effective than
donating money to the causes with which they so earnestly believe.

chunkyfrog wrote:Here we go again--name calling when logic fails,

CPAPIST wrote:

Danbury Baptist Association's letter to Thomas Jefferson, October 7, 1801.



ir, — Among the many millions in America and Europe who rejoice in your Election to office; we embrace the first opportunity which we have enjoyd in our collective capacity, since your Inauguration, to express our great satisfaction, in your appointment to the chief Majestracy in the United States; And though our mode of expression may be less courtly and pompious than what many others clothe their addresses with, we beg you, Sir to believe, that none are more sincere.

Our Sentiments are uniformly on the side of Religious Liberty — That Religion is at all times and places a matter between God and individuals — That no man ought to suffer in name, person, or effects on account of his religious Opinions - That the legitimate Power of civil government extends no further than to punish the man who works ill to his neighbor: But Sir our constitution of government is not specific. Our ancient charter together with the Laws made coincident therewith, were adopted on the Basis of our government, at the time of our revolution; and such had been our Laws & usages, and such still are; that Religion is considered as the first object of Legislation; and therefore what religious privileges we enjoy (as a minor part of the State) we enjoy as favors granted, and not as inalienable rights: and these favors we receive at the expense of such degradingacknowledgements, as are inconsistent with the rights of freemen. It is not to be wondered at therefore; if those, who seek after power & gain under the pretense of government & Religion should reproach their fellow men — should reproach their chief Magistrate, as an enemy of religion Law & good order because he will not, dare not assume the prerogatives of Jehovah and make Laws to govern the Kingdom of Christ.

Sir, we are sensible that the President of the United States, is not the national legislator, and also sensible that the national government cannot destroy the Laws of each State; but our hopes are strong that the sentiments of our beloved President, which have had such genial affect already, like the radiant beams of the Sun, will shine and prevail through all these States and all the world till Hierarchy and Tyranny be destroyed from the Earth. Sir, when we reflect on your past services, and see a glow of philanthropy and good will shining forth in a course of more than thirty years we have reason to believe that America's God has raised you up to fill the chair of State out of that good will which he bears to the Millions which you preside over. May God strengthen you for the arduous task which providence & the voice of the people have cald you to sustain and support you in your Administration against all the predetermined opposition of those who wish to rise to wealth & importance on the poverty and subjection of the people.

And may the Lord preserve you safe from every evil and bring you at last to his Heavenly Kingdom through Jesus Christ our Glorious Mediator.

Signed in behalf of the Association.
Nehh Dodge
Ephram Robbins The Committee
Stephen S. Nelson

rkuntz wrote:"......till Hierarchy and Tyranny be destroyed from the Earth....."

Nate,
I fail to understand how a centrally planned health care system (or economy) can comply with those words. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Biblical admonition to be your neighbors keeper and to love one another are personal obligations not societal.
Ray

NateS wrote:

rkuntz wrote:"......till Hierarchy and Tyranny be destroyed from the Earth....."

Nate,
I fail to understand how a centrally planned health care system (or economy) can comply with those words. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Biblical admonition to be your neighbors keeper and to love one another are personal obligations not societal.
Ray

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act does NOT create "a centrally planned health care system" nor "a centrally planned economy" Are you still falsely blaming Nancy Pelosi for not letting you read the law? Not even the Tea party is claiming that she forbid you from reading it after it was passed!

Regards, Nate

NateS wrote:

rkuntz wrote:"......till Hierarchy and Tyranny be destroyed from the Earth....."

Nate,
I fail to understand how a centrally planned health care system (or economy) can comply with those words. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Biblical admonition to be your neighbors keeper and to love one another are personal obligations not societal.
Ray

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act does NOT create "a centrally planned health care system" nor "a centrally planned economy" Are you still falsely blaming Nancy Pelosi for not letting you read the law? Not even the Tea party is claiming that she forbid you from reading it after it was passed!

Regards, Nate