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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by pikov22 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:06 pm

Stormynights wrote:What I have a problem with is seeing our country in so much debt that it will never be able to pay off. We live on a strict budget because we hate debt. The leader of our country love to borrow money. There seems to be no plan to pay it off but just continue to borrow more. Am I the only one that worries about debt?
Probably. The debt a nation runs up is NOT at all like the debt you and I have. See this article for an explanation. <http://rooseveltinstitute.org/new-roose ... here-s-why>

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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by pikov22 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:07 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
lastlib wrote:Why do Republicans want to kill me. I can not get insurance because I have preexisting medical conditions. No Doctor will take me without some assurance that they will be paid. Emergency rooms will only stabilize you and send you on your way. I have been diagnosed with a brain tumor that should MRI d to see if it is growing. Republicans would rather I die than be insured. In Ohio 1 in 4 children has no insurance and receives no medical care. Many children have trouble even getting mandatory shots to attend school. Should any woman who is pregnant and has no insurance through no fault of her own b e forced to abort her child because they have no neo- natal care or pregnancy care or no pediatric services available.
WTF?!?!
You just posted that you're on Medicare.
Are you a liar or just stupid?
She probably meant that she cannot get supplemental insurance and/or coverage for things that Medicare doesn't cover.

Chill out, dude.

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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by pikov22 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:10 pm

SMenasco wrote:Liberal bullshit alert.
Which one? "Republicans were part of Obamacare". "Homeless people". "Pre-existing conditions". Those liberals will pick an every little thing, won't they?

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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by PST » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:13 pm

rd1978 wrote:Not one member of Congress who voted for the bill bothered to read it, let alone understand it.
Some statements take on a life of their own, repeated endlessly by those who would like to believe them, but with no hint of where the evidence of the fact asserted comes from. I would like to know who surveyed the 535 members of Congress and discovered that not a single one of them ever read the Affordable Care Act. As far as I can tell, this is something Michael Steele (does anyone remember him?) said on June 30, 2009, when he thought that Democrats in the House were trying to bring their version of healthcare reform to a vote before adjourning for Independence Day. Of course that never happened, and the bill took more than eight more months to pass, but the meme lives on. Mere repetition doesn't make it true. Does anyone actually have a citation to someone in a position to know that proves that no one in Congress read the bill?

And please please please don't give me the Nancy Pelosi quotation, you know, the one where she says,"We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy." That was on March 9, 2010, at a time when the Senate version of the bill, which the House was preparing to vote on, had been available in final form since December 24. It wasn't a very artful statement, but in context she was clearly saying that passing the bill would allow the public to separate the many false claims about the bill from its actual content.

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Re: OT - Obamacare

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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by rd1978 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:15 pm

lastlib wrote:Why do Republicans want to kill me. I can not get insurance because I have preexisting medical conditions. No Doctor will take me without some assurance that they will be paid. Emergency rooms will only stabilize you and send you on your way. I have been diagnosed with a brain tumor that should MRI d to see if it is growing. Republicans would rather I die than be insured. In Ohio 1 in 4 children has no insurance and receives no medical care. Many children have trouble even getting mandatory shots to attend school. Should any woman who is pregnant and has no insurance through no fault of her own b e forced to abort her child because they have no neo- natal care or pregnancy care or no pediatric services available.
Lastlib, I am very sorry to hear about your personal situation. But to say that Republicans want to kill you is offensive. I am a conservative Republican because I believe it is essential for the government to live within its means, to limit its intrusion into the rights of individuals, and to ensure that all Americans are given the opportunity to reach their full God-given potential. I don't know anyone (regardless of party affiliation) who doesn't want all Americans to have access to quality healthcare. But there are millions of people (a majority of Americans, in fact) who believe that a free market approach would yield the greatest return on investment and lead to coverage for the most people at the lowest possible cost. Unfortunately, because the Dems controlled the White House and both houses of Congress and were not interested in hearing anyone else's opinion, we got Obamacare instead.
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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by Wulfman... » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:18 pm

pikov22 wrote:
Wulfman... wrote:
lastlib wrote:Why do Republicans want to kill me. I can not get insurance because I have preexisting medical conditions. No Doctor will take me without some assurance that they will be paid. Emergency rooms will only stabilize you and send you on your way. I have been diagnosed with a brain tumor that should MRI d to see if it is growing. Republicans would rather I die than be insured. In Ohio 1 in 4 children has no insurance and receives no medical care. Many children have trouble even getting mandatory shots to attend school. Should any woman who is pregnant and has no insurance through no fault of her own b e forced to abort her child because they have no neo- natal care or pregnancy care or no pediatric services available.
WTF?!?!
You just posted that you're on Medicare.
Are you a liar or just stupid?
She probably meant that she cannot get supplemental insurance and/or coverage for things that Medicare doesn't cover.

Chill out, dude.
That's an even more idiotic statement.

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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by ems » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:24 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
WTF?!?!

You just posted that you're on Medicare.

Are you a liar or just stupid?

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You know, there is a way to say something and a way to say something! I don't care what side you happen to be on... neither side has to get disgusting and make someone feel terrible! Let me tell ya, with the exception of your posts about CPAP, look who is talking about "idiotic" posts!
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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by oak » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:26 pm

ems, you are RIGHT on. what a rude thing to say, Wulfman. personal attacks will get you no where.

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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by pikov22 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:30 pm

rd1978 wrote:I don't know anyone (regardless of party affiliation) who doesn't want all Americans to have access to quality healthcare. But there are millions of people (a majority of Americans, in fact) who believe that a free market approach would yield the greatest return on investment and lead to coverage for the most people at the lowest possible cost.
Free market health care? Where can I read up on that? Where did you get that statistic?

Right now, we have "no pre-existing conditions" clauses on just about every "free market" health insurer. What would cause them to change?

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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by pikov22 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:31 pm

PST wrote:
rd1978 wrote:Not one member of Congress who voted for the bill bothered to read it, let alone understand it.
Some statements take on a life of their own, repeated endlessly by those who would like to believe them, but with no hint of where the evidence of the fact asserted comes from. I would like to know who surveyed the 535 members of Congress and discovered that not a single one of them ever read the Affordable Care Act. As far as I can tell, this is something Michael Steele (does anyone remember him?) said on June 30, 2009, when he thought that Democrats in the House were trying to bring their version of healthcare reform to a vote before adjourning for Independence Day. Of course that never happened, and the bill took more than eight more months to pass, but the meme lives on. Mere repetition doesn't make it true. Does anyone actually have a citation to someone in a position to know that proves that no one in Congress read the bill?
PUH-LEEZ! Let's have no more of these reasonable responses! Really.

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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by ems » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:37 pm

Julie wrote::lol:
Since you thought PST's intelligent and factual post was so funny, where are your facts on the matter? You must have more accurate facts to refute what he said... what are they?
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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by Wulfman... » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:45 pm

ems wrote:
Wulfman... wrote:
WTF?!?!

You just posted that you're on Medicare.

Are you a liar or just stupid?

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You know, there is a way to say something and a way to say something! I don't care what side you happen to be on... neither side has to get disgusting and make someone feel terrible! Let me tell ya, with the exception of your posts about CPAP, look who is talking about "idiotic" posts!
When people post contradicting statements like those, it's usually one or the other. Medicare (supplemental or otherwise) doesn't ask about preexisting conditions. And, with Obamacare, the preexisting conditions went out the window, too.


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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by ems » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:02 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
ems wrote:
Wulfman... wrote:
WTF?!?!

You just posted that you're on Medicare.

Are you a liar or just stupid?

Den

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You know, there is a way to say something and a way to say something! I don't care what side you happen to be on... neither side has to get disgusting and make someone feel terrible! Let me tell ya, with the exception of your posts about CPAP, look who is talking about "idiotic" posts!
When people post contradicting statements like those, it's usually one or the other. Medicare (supplemental or otherwise) doesn't ask about preexisting conditions. And, with Obamacare, the preexisting conditions went out the window, too.


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You absolutely have no idea what you are talking about! Of course you are correct about Medicare... but when it comes to Obamacare, you are out to lunch.
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Re: OT - Obamacare

Post by oak » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:10 pm

Wulfman, OP has a BRAIN TUMOR. I hope you never get one.

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