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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by DeadlySleep » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:08 pm

Let me ponder this...Obama on Leno makes a bunch of gaffes about the Winter Olympics...goes to a gathering and forgets Joe Biden's wife's name...and his famed "GM is alive, Osama is dead and Al-Qeada is on the run" has turned into an embarrassment with all those embassies closing and infinitum the crap this guy has done and said...absolutely no media outrage or chastisement...imagine if Bush had done 1/100 of the stuff this guy has done in 5 1/2 yrs...he'd have been crucified in addition to being impeached. The media consists of such sycophants and suck-ups for this joke of a man that it's not even funny anymore. Oh and did ya see that HUD is gonna investigate neighborhoods to examine diversity and see if they can do something about it...imagine if Bush had ordered something like that?? Each and every day when this country wakes up and checks the papers or internet, it probably holds its collective breath wondering what Obama can say or wants to do next. How's that hope and change going for ya?? Oh and I imagine that Putin is as afraid of Obama as Obama is afraid of Republicans...don't get me started on that bunch of gutless wonders who have not exactly been the wizards of smarts when they have had their chances in power. I will give Democrats this...at least they govern and run things like they've won the election...Republicans seem sorry they won and apologize and try to make nice. Oh well...

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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by DreamStalker » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:37 pm

DeadlySleep wrote:Let me ponder this...Obama on Leno makes a bunch of gaffes about the Winter Olympics...snip ...
... Oh well...
Gaffes?

He LIED to the public on national television ...
"We don't have a domestic spying program. What we do have are some mechanisms where we can track a phone number or an e-mail address that we know is connected to some sort of terrorist threat. And that information is useful." -- Obama
... Calling it mechanisms instead of spying does not make it a gaffe. HE LIES!! ... and that is a FACT that one cannot ridicule or reject!
President-pretender, J. Biden, said "the DNC has built the largest voter fraud organization in US history". Too bad they didn’t build the smartest voter fraud organization and got caught.

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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by Wulfman... » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:34 pm

DreamStalker wrote:
DeadlySleep wrote:Let me ponder this...Obama on Leno makes a bunch of gaffes about the Winter Olympics...snip ...
... Oh well...
Gaffes?

He LIED to the public on national television ...
"We don't have a domestic spying program. What we do have are some mechanisms where we can track a phone number or an e-mail address that we know is connected to some sort of terrorist threat. And that information is useful." -- Obama
... Calling it mechanisms instead of spying does not make it a gaffe. HE LIES!!
And, they believe that if they repeat the lies enough times, they can turn them into "reality" (or at least believable by the "sheeple").
This is a problem on both sides of the aisle.......Rs & Ds. I'm not letting any of them off the hook.
Whether anybody wants to admit it, Snowden did everybody a big favor. Now Pandora's box is open for all to see and question.

Did anybody see the movie "Sneakers" (1992)? "Too many secrets......" Ironically, it starred a bunch of liberals and made during a Republican administration.
And, "Three Days of the Condor" (1975) starring one of those same liberals had somewhat of a similar subversive government theme.
Now, the shoe is on the other foot (same people but with the other party is in office). One has to wonder how they can defend this destruction of privacy and liberty. After all, they made money from the movies which depicted a ruthless federal government.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by DreamStalker » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:42 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:
DeadlySleep wrote:Let me ponder this...Obama on Leno makes a bunch of gaffes about the Winter Olympics...snip ...
... Oh well...
Gaffes?

He LIED to the public on national television ...
"We don't have a domestic spying program. What we do have are some mechanisms where we can track a phone number or an e-mail address that we know is connected to some sort of terrorist threat. And that information is useful." -- Obama
... Calling it mechanisms instead of spying does not make it a gaffe. HE LIES!!
And, they believe that if they repeat the lies enough times, they can turn them into "reality" (or at least believable by the "sheeple").
This is a problem on both sides of the aisle.......Rs & Ds. I'm not letting any of them off the hook.
Whether anybody wants to admit it, Snowden did everybody a big favor. Now Pandora's box is open for all to see and question.

Did anybody see the movie "Sneakers" (1992)? "Too many secrets......" Ironically, it starred a bunch of liberals and made during a Republican administration.
And, "Three Days of the Condor" (1975) starring one of those same liberals had somewhat of a similar subversive government theme.
Now, the shoe is on the other foot (same people but with the other party is in office). One has to wonder how they can defend this destruction of privacy and liberty. After all, they made money from the movies which depicted a ruthless federal government.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759


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Movies are not in vogue anymore, internet took care of that.

Coming to a house near you ... the sheeple want Reality TV.

http://rt.com/usa/dea-nsa-irs-snowden-216/

What'cha gonn'a do when they come for you?

http://rt.com/usa/civil-forfeiture-new-yorker-244/
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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by Wulfman... » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:14 pm

DreamStalker wrote:What'cha gonn'a do when they come for you?
All you have to do is look at history and see how that worked out for the "Native Americans" (Indians), and other aboriginal peoples in other countries/continents. "Might makes right".


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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by PST » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:57 pm

123.Shawn T.W. wrote: From http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-0 ... -part-time
Obamacare Full Frontal: Of 953,000 Jobs Created In 2013, 77%, Or 731,000 Are Part-Time
When the payroll report was released last month, the world finally noticed what we had been saying for nearly three years: that the US was slowly being converted to a part-time worker society ...
The increase in the number of part-time jobs is a trend of very long standing that has nothing to do with Obamacare. The author of the quoted post, one Tyler Durden (for all you Chuck Palahniuk fans), quotes several sources. Here is one of them:

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This has been going on for decades now, with the recent large increase coming during the recession (the gray stripe) and bobbling up and down since then. Another one of Mr. Durden's sources appears to contradict his claim. It shows that in the year from July 2012 to July 2013, full-time jobs increased by 1,612,000 (from 114,478,000 to 116,090,000) while part-time jobs increased by 343,000 (from 27,890,000 to 28,233,000). That's from his own source! I guess with a data series that oscillates a bit one can choose start and end points to make things come out as you want, but I'll go with the full year of data and the chart above.

The fact is, most part-time jobs are with organizations that already provide health insurance to their full-time employees. Those organizations have always had a reason to hire part-time employees that they do not have to provide full benefits to. Obamacare doesn't change that.

The other arguments in the post have been hashed over so many times it seems a waste to do it again. See, for example, this post.

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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by DeadlySleep » Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:44 pm

by PST

Those organizations have always had a reason to hire part-time employees that they do not have to provide full benefits to.
To make this statement in reference to a growing trend in part time workers is flat wrong.

If you look at demographics you will see that workers are demanding more part time employment. The demographics show a huge increase in the number of women attending college; a smaller, but still large, increase in the number of men attending college; and an increase in the number of retirees and the number of years retirees live.

These groups are demanding more part time work and many do not need and/or do not value benefits.

Companies are merely using what the available workforce is supplying.

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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by PST » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:29 pm

DeadlySleep wrote:
by PST

Those organizations have always had a reason to hire part-time employees that they do not have to provide full benefits to.
To make this statement in reference to a growing trend in part time workers is flat wrong.

If you look at demographics you will see that workers are demanding more part time employment. The demographics show a huge increase in the number of women attending college; a smaller, but still large, increase in the number of men attending college; and an increase in the number of retirees and the number of years retirees live.

These groups are demanding more part time work and many do not need and/or do not value benefits.

Companies are merely using what the available workforce is supplying.
If that is true, it only supports my point, which was that Obamacare is not the cause of the increase in part-time employment relative to full-time, as 123.Shawn T.W. and Tyler Durden claim. It is silly to look at a 50-year trend and claim that the reason it has persisted into the last two or three years is some new legislation. It is just as silly as claiming that the increasing cost of health care and health insurance, which similarly represents a 50-year trend, is due to Obamacare this year.

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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by Goofproof » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:31 pm

DeadlySleep wrote:
by PST

Those organizations have always had a reason to hire part-time employees that they do not have to provide full benefits to.
To make this statement in reference to a growing trend in part time workers is flat wrong.

If you look at demographics you will see that workers are demanding more part time employment. The demographics show a huge increase in the number of women attending college; a smaller, but still large, increase in the number of men attending college; and an increase in the number of retirees and the number of years retirees live.

These groups are demanding more part time work and many do not need and/or do not value benefits.

Companies are merely using what the available workforce is supplying.
Many are seeking part time work to make up for cutbacks in their regular fields, to make up for lost income. Many times it's ineffective if you do the math, as travel times and fuel cost and childcare eat up the part time monies, then theres the lack of home time sithin the families, that cost we see down the road in social problems. Jim
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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by DreamStalker » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:08 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:What'cha gonn'a do when they come for you?
All you have to do is look at history and see how that worked out for the "Native Americans" (Indians), and other aboriginal peoples in other countries/continents. "Might makes right".


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Yep yep ... I wonder how refreshing those history buffs on this thread find the factual reminder of how well (or sad, depending on your point of view) those US government promises worked out for the Native Americans. I believe Chris Hedges does a great and accurate job of reminding folks how our Native American population has faired under the care of the USA.
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Native Americans’ resistance to the westward expansion of Europeans took two forms. One was violence. The other was accommodation. Neither worked. Their land was stolen, their communities were decimated, their women and children were gunned down and the environment was ravaged. There was no legal recourse. There was no justice. There never is for the oppressed. And as we face similar forces of predatory, unchecked corporate power intent on ruthless exploitation and stripping us of legal and physical protection, we must confront how we will respond.

The ideologues of rapacious capitalism, like members of a primitive cult, chant the false mantra that natural resources and expansion are infinite. They dismiss calls for equitable distribution as unnecessary. They say that all will soon share in the “expanding” wealth, which in fact is swiftly diminishing. And as the whole demented project unravels, the elites flee like roaches to their sanctuaries. At the very end, it all will come down like a house of cards.

Civilizations in the final stages of decay are dominated by elites out of touch with reality. Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth. Karl Marx was correct when he called unregulated capitalism “a machine for demolishing limits.” This failure to impose limits cannibalizes natural resources and human communities. This time, the difference is that when we go the whole planet will go with us. Catastrophic climate change is inevitable. Arctic ice is in terminal decline. There will soon be so much heat trapped in the atmosphere that any attempt to scale back carbon emissions will make no difference. Droughts. Floods. Heat waves. Killer hurricanes and tornados. Power outages. Freak weather. Rising sea levels. Crop destruction. Food shortages. Plagues.

ExxonMobil, BP and the coal and natural gas companies—like the colonial buffalo hunters who left thousands of carcasses rotting in the sun after stripping away the hides, and in some cases carrying away only the tongues—will never impose rational limits on themselves. They will exploit, like the hustlers before them who eliminated the animals that sustained the native peoples of the Great Plains, until there is nothing left to exploit. Collective suicide is never factored into quarterly profit reports. Forget all those virtuous words they taught you in school about our system of government. The real words to describe American power are “plunder,” “fraud,” “criminality,” “deceit,” “murder” and “repression.”

Those native communities that were most accommodating to the European colonists, such as the peaceful California tribes—the Chilulas, Chimarikos, Urebures, Nipewais and Alonas, along with a hundred other bands—were the first to be destroyed. And while I do not advocate violence, indeed will seek every way to avoid it, I have no intention of accommodating corporate power whether it hides behind the mask of Barack Obama or Mitt Romney. At the same time, I have to acknowledge that resistance may ultimately be in vain. Yet to resist is to say something about us as human beings. It keeps alive the possibility of hope, even as all empirical evidence points to inevitable destruction. It makes victory, however remote, possible. And it makes life a little more difficult for the ruling class, which satisfies the very human emotion of vengeance.

“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power,” wrote the philosopher John Locke, “they put themselves into a state of war with the people who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.”

The European colonists signed, and ignored, some 400 treaties with native tribes. They enticed the native leaders into accords, always to seize land, and then repeated the betrayal again and again and again until there was nothing left to steal. Chiefs such as Black Kettle who believed the white men did not fare much better than those who did not. Black Kettle, who outside his lodge often flew a huge American flag given to him in Washington as a sign of friendship, was shot dead by soldiers of George Armstrong Custer in November 1868 along with his wife and more than 100 other Cheyenne in his encampment on the Washita River.

The white men “made us many promises, more than I can remember,” Chief Red Cloud said in old age, “but they kept but one. They promised to take our land, and they took it.”

Native societies, in which people redistributed wealth to gain respect, and in which those who hoarded were detested, upheld a communal ethic that had to be obliterated and replaced with the greed, ceaseless exploitation and cult of the self that fuel capitalist expansion. Lewis Henry Morgan in his book “League of the Iroquois,” written in 1851 after he lived among them, noted that the Iroquois’ “whole civil policy was averse to the concentration of power in the hands of any single individual, but inclined to the opposite principle of division among a number of equals. …” This was a way of relating to each other, as well as to the natural world, that was an anathema to the European colonizers.

Those who exploit do so through layers of deceit. They hire charming and eloquent interlocutors. How many more times do you want to be lied to by Barack Obama? What is this penchant for self-delusion that makes us unable to see that we are being sold into bondage? Why do we trust those who do not deserve our trust? Why are we repeatedly seduced? The promised closure of Guantanamo. The public option in health care. Reforming the Patriot Act. Environmental protection. Restoring habeas corpus. Regulating Wall Street. Ending the wars. Jobs. Defending labor rights. I could go on.

There are few resistance figures in American history as noble as Crazy Horse. He led, long after he knew that ultimate defeat was inevitable, the most effective revolt on the plains, wiping out Custer and his men on the Little BigHorn. “Even the most basic outline of his life shows how great he was,” Ian Frazier writes in his book “Great Plains,” “because he remained himself from the moment of his birth to the moment he died; because he knew exactly where he wanted to live, and never left; because he may have surrendered, but he was never defeated in battle; because, although he was killed, even the Army admitted he was never captured; because he was so free that he didn’t know what a jail looked like.” His “dislike of the oncoming civilization was prophetic,” Frazier writes. “He never met the President” and “never rode on a train, slept in a boarding house, ate at a table.” And “unlike many people all over the world, when he met white men he was not diminished by the encounter.”

Crazy Horse was bayoneted to death on Sept. 5, 1877, after being tricked into walking toward the jail at Fort Robinson in Nebraska. The moment he understood the trap he pulled out a knife and fought back. Gen. Phil Sheridan had intended to ship Crazy Horse to the Dry Tortugas, a group of small islands in the Gulf of Mexico, where a U.S. Army garrison ran a prison with cells dug out of the coral. Crazy Horse, even when dying, refused to lie on the white man’s cot. He insisted on being placed on the floor. Armed soldiers stood by until he died. And when he breathed his last, Touch the Clouds, Crazy Horse’s seven-foot-tall Miniconjou friend, pointed to the blanket that covered the chief’s body and said, “This is the lodge of Crazy Horse.” His grieving parents buried Crazy Horse in an undisclosed location. Legend says that his bones turned to rocks and his joints to flint. His ferocity of spirit remains a guiding light for all who seek lives of defiance.
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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by DeadlySleep » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:22 pm

PST wrote: It is silly to look at a 50-year trend and claim that the reason it has persisted into the last two or three years is some new legislation. It is just as silly as claiming that the increasing cost of health care and health insurance, which similarly represents a 50-year trend, is due to Obamacare this year.
Is it silly to overlook the fact that new legislation makes the 50th employee one of the most expensive employees on the planet?

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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by Cutnstuf » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:05 pm

An article from Hubpages:

The American Caste System - How America Mistreats Its Citizens

Source: rahuldlucca

How America Refuses to Help Its Citizens

Many people are familiar with the caste system as found in such religions as Hinduism. It basically embraces reincarnation, a system in which you try to reach a certain spiritual level in this lifetime. If you have improved over your previous lifetime, you come back as a better person the next time until you reach this magical level and don't have to be reincarnated again. If you kill someone or have a history of being bad in this life, you come back as a lower form of life, someone who lives a life of poverty - or you could come back as an animal. Consequently, those who follow this set of beliefs are not inclined to help the less fortunate because those of the lower order deserve their state in life and to improve them would be doing a disservice.

Although in most minds this is a horrific way of looking at life, I'm of the opinion that it is alive and well in the American culture - in fact, it's ingrained in the American system!

How? When people and governments refuse to help those who are less fortunate. The less fortunate include those who are unemployed or retired and those without health insurance.

First of all, I must make it clear that there are plenty of exceptions. Many states have programs to help people survive while unemployed and also programs to help pay for medicine for those who need it. There are also individuals who take it upon themselves to help those who can't help themselves.

Capitalism, it is said, rewards those who work hard - a statement that is not necessarily so. Many who work hard never make a lot of money, and many who don't work hard can use and cheat others to make it to the top of the ladder. Professional athletes, actors, singers, don't work any harder than others, but get ridiculous amounts of money because the American people are willing to pay them ridiculous amounts of money.

The United States government has a long history of placing other projects higher than helping their own people. The most notable example is all the wars they've been involved in during the last 200+ years and the money spent. That isn't to say that there have been no wars worth getting involved in, but a timeline of America's wars listed on Wikipedia is startling. Any reasonable person would conclude that America LOVES fighting, under the guise, of course, of protecting freedom! In reality, all direct attacks on the United States in recent decades were retaliation for America's countless attacks on other countries.

President Obama's military budget for 2010 was $663.8 billion dollars, but when it was passed into law he actually got $16 billion more than that! Just since 2001 the United States has spent over $1.2 trillion dollars on wars!

NASA's budget for the space program since 1958 has averaged $9 billion a year.

How much good could have been done with that kind of money? Think of the jobs that could have been created.

Health Care

Think of the health care that could have been provided! The United States is the ONLY industrialized country that doesn't provide basic health care for its own citizens! This is where the caste system comes in - people deserve their lot in life in the minds of many and so there is little inclination to put priorities on helping others. Untold thousands of Americans die every year because they won't take care of health issues due to the massive bills that would be racked up. One person I know needs a heart transplant and will die eventually because the hospitals want at least $100,000 up front before even considering a transplant. What free health services there are, such as for mental health, have suffered by cutbacks recently. Would that have been necessary without the billions, even trillions, spent on the military over the years? I don't think so!

Social Security

As for Social Security, to even contemplate cutting it off is immoral! Many people rely entirely on that to live on. You might reply, "Well why didn't they save over the years they worked? Then they'd have money to live on!" That could be. On the other hand, some who have faced unemployment in later years have gone through ALL of their savings and retirement savings just to survive until they got Social Security.

Personally, I don't believe cutting off Social Security will ever happen because it would result in open rebellion and rioting in this country. But even thinking about it is unconscionable.

Speaking of which, in many countries, if that countries equivalent of Social Security doesn't meet basic livable standards for some people, they provide a supplemental income to bring those people up to a livable standard of living.

Why give people charity, you say??? Aren't we encouraging people not to work? Remember those services would be paid for by tax dollars - dollars most of those needing the services have already contributed over the years, just as they paid into Social Security. Yes, there will be those who are lazy and will take advantage of the system, but by and large people want to feel useful and are not like that.

Shouldn't a country put its citizens first before getting involved in the business of other countries. Unfortunately, as I've said above, the American Caste system appears to be alive and well in the mind of not just the government, but in the minds of many Americans as well. "You're down and out? You can't find work? Well, it's your own fault. Live with it!" It's time to change that attitude!

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Re: Obamacare Explained in One Sentence

Post by CapnLoki » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:02 am

Cutnstuf wrote:An article from Hubpages:

The American Caste System - How America Mistreats Its Citizens
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How America Refuses to Help Its Citizens
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Capitalism, it is said, rewards those who work hard - a statement that is not necessarily so. Many who work hard never make a lot of money, and many who don't work hard can use and cheat others to make it to the top of the ladder. Professional athletes, actors, singers, don't work any harder than others, but get ridiculous amounts of money because the American people are willing to pay them ridiculous amounts of money.
Nonsense. There is no guarantee that hard work will do anything for. Talent, accident of birth, and luck have a lot to do with it. And anyone who thinks that athletes and performers don't work harder than most, and take higher risks, is a fool.
Cutnstuf wrote: ...
Just since 2001 the United States has spent over $1.2 trillion dollars on wars!
OK, maybe that war we could have done without.
Cutnstuf wrote: NASA's budget for the space program since 1958 has averaged $9 billion a year.
How much good could have been done with that kind of money? Think of the jobs that could have been created.
I feel that comments like this pretty much disqualify the writer from intelligent discourse. Much of our economy that still functions is based on technology developed in the Space Program. This is exactly the type of investment in the future we need, in fact, you can easily argue that the $9 bil is only a small part of the profits from previous such investment!
Cutnstuf wrote: Health Care
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Social Security
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These I'll go along with.

I am frustrated at times that these discussions get cast as absolute capitalism v total socialism. The world is a richly colored, multi-dimensional place. I am reminded that the most commonly quoted defense of capitalism was followed by a plea for social responsibility:
Calvin Coolidge, Address to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, Washington, D.C. January 17, 1925 wrote: After all, the chief business of the American people is business.
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Wealth is the product of industry, ambition, character and untiring effort. In all experience, the accumulation of wealth means the multiplication of schools, the increase of knowledge, the dissemination of intelligence, the encouragement of science, the broadening of outlook, the expansion of liberties, the widening of culture. Of course, the accumulation of wealth can not be justified as the chief end of existence. But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it.

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Post by idamtnboy » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:13 am

Cutnstuf wrote:NASA's budget for the space program since 1958 has averaged $9 billion a year.

How much good could have been done with that kind of money? Think of the jobs that could have been created.
Jobs were created. How else do you think all the rockets, fuel tanks, mission guidance systems, etc., etc. were made if it wasn't for people being employed? All the astronauts and mission staffs were paid, weren't they? Money has value only by being spent for someone's labor!

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Post by DreamStalker » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:47 am

I agree ... the NASA program was a very worthwhile investment. Even if the jobs created were excluded, the return of knowledge, innovation, and technology that came out of the space program far exceeded the cost of the investment -- unlike the cost/fraud and human suffering created by the military/security industrial complex.

As for the healthcare and SS nonsense ... it is all great for a warm and fuzzy feeling but in the end it only benefits those at the head of the line, everyone else is screwed and left holding an empty bag -- completely unsustainable.
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