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chunkyfrog wrote:...his pity party is officially OVER.

WHAT!?

So now what do I do with this keg!?

I'll help you get rid of it.

squid13 wrote:I'll help you get rid of it.

Thanks!

Cause wasting a keg would be a REAL pity!

"I get up. I walk. I fall down. Meanwhile, I keep dancing” from Rabbi Hillel

John, I love your quote by the good Rabbi! I can't think of any other good solution.

DoriC wrote:"I get up. I walk. I fall down. Meanwhile, I keep dancing” from Rabbi Hillel

Sounds like the Rabbi started on the keg already.

RogerSC wrote:a lot of people are in circumstances (for whatever reason) where they are trapped or just feel trapped, and can't get out or move on without help of some sort. To tell someone that may be temporarily off center a notch or two that they're getting what they deserve is really not helpful, and just adds to their pain. Help them move forward, or be silent, that's my opinion (obviously). Maybe you just can't help that person...for example, if they're not in a place where they can accept help or don't want to hear what you have to say. But, again, to tell them that what they're experiencing is what they deserve doesn't serve anyone's needs.

I'm sure from what I see here that most people disagree with me, I understand that, but felt like I needed to say it.

I agree with you. As I've already said, some people have bigger problems than will be fixed with an attitudinal shift and a focus on helping others. That's amazing when someone can turn adversity into something good that benefits others (and through them, no doubt, themselves), but there are some problems that are beyond this. Every person who has the resources to make an attitudinal shift and help others despite their own issues should be thankful that they at least have that. Some people don't. And it's not necessarily their fault.

By the way, even among those who are not mentally ill, there's research that indicates that how much of a glass empty/glass full person someone is has more to do with their wiring than anything that person did to earn it. Your happiness set-point is pretty well determined, and there are things you can do to raise or lower it, but not markedly.

mollete wrote:

DoriC wrote:"I get up. I walk. I fall down. Meanwhile, I keep dancing” from Rabbi Hillel

Sounds like the Rabbi started on the keg already.

I think you need Bar Mitzvah lessons!

DoriC wrote:

mollete wrote:

DoriC wrote:"I get up. I walk. I fall down. Meanwhile, I keep dancing” from Rabbi Hillel

Sounds like the Rabbi started on the keg already.

I think you need Bar Mitzvah lessons!

"Bar" Mitzvah?

Now that's a good one!

SleepingUgly wrote:Your happiness set-point is pretty well determined, and there are things you can do to raise or lower it, but not markedly.

I guess you've never tried any One-Eyed Jamaican.

By the way, even among those who are not mentally ill, there's research that indicates that how much of a glass empty/glass full person someone is has more to do with their wiring than anything that person did to earn it. Your happiness set-point is pretty well determined, and there are things you can do to raise or lower it, but not markedly.

Very interesting SU. My mother was definitely not a "power of positive thinking" type of woman and I definitely take after her which I don't see as a bad thing by the way.

Anyway, during the rare times that pap therapy has worked for me, it is amazing the effect that having restorative sleep had on improving my attitude. Didn't take any effort at all. So maybe if my poor mother had had treatment for what I feel was undiagnosed apnea, her attitude also would have greatly improved.

49er

SleepingUgly wrote:...there's research that indicates...

The only thing that research indicates is that one can use research to indicate just about anything you want it to indicate.

http://news.discovery.com/human/happine ... ldhood.htm

http://www.livescience.com/10783-worry- ... stone.html

As much as I feel for SWA17, if the situation is legitimate which I am truthfully on the fence over.....

Regardless of a person's situation, personal illness & struggles, they cannot be given a pass and bad behaviors excused because of their issues. Sick or not, nobody here deserves to be cussed out and have a death wish thrown at them with the "F" word. Sick or not, SWA17 needs to held accountable for that completely inappropriate behavior.

We are becoming a society that wants to find reasons to excuse people's behaviors and not hold them accountable.

Madalot wrote:As much as I feel for SWA17, if the situation is legitimate which I am truthfully on the fence over.....

Regardless of a person's situation, personal illness & struggles, they cannot be given a pass and bad behaviors excused because of their issues. Sick or not, nobody here deserves to be cussed out and have a death wish thrown at them with the "F" word. Sick or not, SWA17 needs to held accountable for that completely inappropriate behavior.

We are becoming a society that wants to find reasons to excuse people's behaviors and not hold them accountable.

Sorry Madalot, I wasn't clear with my previous post. I agree that what SWA17 has done on the forum is unacceptable behavior and should not be tolerated.

But it just seems to me that certain people were piling on with their comments which I felt was not helpful. Just my opinion which I realize will not be popular.

49er

49er wrote:I agree that what SWA17 has done on the forum is unacceptable behavior and should not be tolerated.

"IMHO", I think it's irrelevant at this point. I mean, he's stuck in own little Box of Hate. Isn't that sufficient?

While I somewhat agree with Tipidodge's premise (although he didn't present it very well), a much better literary metaphor would be Dickens with Marley (Jacob, not Bob).

However, a broadbrush "people get what they deserve" ...

... well, if I live to be a million I'll never understand Sandy Hook.

49er wrote:Sorry Madalot, I wasn't clear with my previous post. I agree that what SWA17 has done on the forum is unacceptable behavior and should not be tolerated.

But it just seems to me that certain people were piling on with their comments which I felt was not helpful. Just my opinion which I realize will not be popular.

49er

No worries. I get that too. And to the degree each of us feels the way we do, I'm willing to agree to disagree.

Where I'm coming from is a little different than some of you. I've seen the same behavior & pattern with SWA17 numerous times, whereas some of you are getting your first or second dose of it.

And -- there's a part of me that thinks SWA17's situation is fake, created solely to cause chaos and friction on the forum (it works, too). If I'm wrong, then apologies all the way around because when I'm wrong, I admit it. But there are a few things "nagging" at me so I always have that suspicion in the back of my mind.