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Re: oh. my. God.

Post by DavidCarolina » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:46 pm

No way. I dont care if Moore is paying for it, YOU have the right to choose your equipment.

Its the same with generic drugs.

"Dr. Moore says to use Cymbalta". Tough crap. It depends on whether YOU want to pay for it or not. NOt what HE wants, based on his
kickback deal with novartis.

They can specificy and recommend pap, bipap, etc, but NO MORE.

And it is NOT ILLEGAL to adjust your own machine. Once you've bought it its yours to do with as you please.

Amusing how those twerps at the DME act like its rocket science pushing a couple buttons to titrate your machine up a couple notches.


MS Gray Man wrote:Fax them a response that says, "Please resend prescription making the following change... Dr. Terrence Moore to choose patient choice. Please resend when that is complete."

If that doesn't work ask if Dr. Terrence Moore is paying for your supplies or you are... If the good Dr. wants to buy your stuff for you then the choice should be his. Since I doubt that is happening, well... that should be obvious.

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Post by MS Gray Man » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:39 pm

Don't remember anyone mentioning adjusting the machine being illegal... We were however discussing altering a prescription having potential legal consequences.

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Post by Randyp1234 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:53 pm

pandatx wrote:Because I have to see him for my 30 day visit with him anyway......
I'm probably remembering wrong about who was requiring the 30 day visit but if it was Insurance wouldn't your visit be with whoever wrote the scrip rather than the sleep doc?

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Post by zoocrewphoto » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:39 am

I don't know how the original prescription was written as it was faxed to the DME I chose. But I remember him saying her preferred Resmed because he uses that software. So, I'm guessing he specified a Resmed S9 Autoset since that is what I got. Thankfully, my DME did not try to cheat me. Later they lied about something I wanted, so I fired them. But not because of the machine. That part was great.

When I asked later for a copy of my prescription, he wrote Resmed S9 autoset and accessories of patient's choice. So, basically anything I want. I haven't had to use it yet, but I have it in case I do.

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Post by pandatx » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:20 am

JNK, that might an alternative thought with another doctor but the fact they originally specified the s9 Esacape Auto and I had to fight for the better machine tells me differently. He had the brick machine specified and then "his choice" written next to all the other equipment with arrows pointing to both areas.

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Post by Denial Dave » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:52 am

I was on the cautious side and did not make any pressure changes to my machine until after my 90 day review & compliance was verified.

For some strange reason, I never asked for a copy of my prescription until then either.

After the compliance verification was done,I began making small pressure adjustments on a regular basis. Every adjustment was watched to make sure I was going in the right direction.

it's my machine & my health.

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Post by jnk » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:07 am

pandatx wrote:JNK, that might an alternative thought with another doctor but the fact they originally specified the s9 Esacape Auto and I had to fight for the better machine tells me differently. He had the brick machine specified and then "his choice" written next to all the other equipment with arrows pointing to both areas.
Then I cast my vote too for his being a stinker doc.

A good doc would do his part to fight that fight for you when asked to.

The words of my good sleep doc still ring in my ears. He said to me over the phone (when I called him about my brain-damaged DME giving me trouble over the mask I wanted) something along the lines of: "Jeff, you just tell me what to write on the Rx, and I'll get that faxed to them right now." Now THAT'S a good sleep doc.

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Post by NotLazyJustTired » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:22 am

IIRC, Amy posted elsewhere that her doc IS her DME. IMHO, that creates a conflict of interest. Based on what I've heard here I think he's a d-bag and I would lose him. But I understand why Amy is putting up a fight, I would too. That Rx is useless. I wouldn't even wipe my behind with it.

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Post by jnk » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:00 am

NotLazyJustTired wrote:. . . her doc IS her DME. IMHO, that creates a conflict of interest. . . .
It can. But in a world full of crooked, greedy DMEs, it can sometimes be the lesser of two evils, depending, in the opinion of some. It is certainly a controversial issue with the ABSM appearing to take an interesting stand on it all:
According to Jeffrey S. Baird, JD, the ABSM [American Board of Sleep Medicine] requested that the OIG [Office of Inspector General ] publish a “safe harbor” to the Medicare anti-kickback statute that would allow physicians (certified by ABSM) to diagnose obstructive sleep apnea for Medicare patients—and to also sell PAP devices to patients. “The reasoning behind the request is that allowing physicians to do this would improve the continuum (and quality) of care for OSA patients,” says Baird. “The OIG declined on the basis that safe harbors only pertain to the anti-kickback statute and not to the Stark physician self-referral statute. The ABSM request pertained to Stark, and not the anti-kickback statute. “Stark prohibits a physician from selling most DME—including PAP devices—to a Medicare patient unless a Stark exception is met,” continues Baird. “If the ABSM desires for certified physicians to sell PAP devices to Medicare patients (diagnosed by the physicians), then the ABSM would need to seek an exception to Stark.” As to the rationale of allowing physicians to sell PAP devices to Medicare patients (diagnosed by the physicians), Baird believes the practice could lead to abuse. “There is a risk that a physician would order a PAP device not because the patient truly needs it, but because the physician will profit from the sale of the device,” he says. “It is a ‘win’ for the DME industry that the OIG did not act on the ABSM's request.” For sleep laboratories, nothing changes as a result of the OIG report. “If a sleep lab is not owned by physicians, then the lab can sell PAP devices to Medicare and commercial patients,” explains Baird. “If the sleep lab is owned by physicians, then the lab can sell PAP devices to commercial patients, unless state law says otherwise. However, it cannot sell PAP devices to Medicare patients who qualify for the device at the lab.”--http://www.medtrade.com/news/respirator ... ils?id=564

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Post by Sheriff Buford » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:59 am

jencat824 wrote:
khauser wrote:
jencat824 wrote:I would white out what the dr wrote in about 'what he wants' & present the rx to the DME that way.

Jen
LOL.

Somewhat illegal in a big way, though.
OOPS, sorry for suggesting that, it just made me furious to see a Dr. treating a patient like that. It's your medical records, you are paying for the equipment (or your ins is) so why does the Dr. have to have his way? You are right, altering a written rx is illegal.
Jen
Alright... I see where this thread is headed... everyone here up against the wall and spread em... you have anything that will stick, poke or cut me? You newbies are keeping me busy... and I have frisked some of you before and ALOT! Especially you Froggie....

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Post by chunkyfrog » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:35 am

Sheriff:
I never knew a pat-down included tickles!

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