OT: Sugar and lies

Only idiots eat.

Ever.

Anything.

jnk wrote:Only idiots eat.

Ever.

Anything.

A possible solution ... A DIY home aquaponic greenhouse the size of a 2-car garage will completely feed a family of four -- add goats and chickens for milk and eggs and your golden, totally unplugged, self-fed, and free from the corrupt toxic system that will collapse anyway within the next several years.

My wife and I live in a space smaller than a two-car garage.

And I'm pretty sure we'd lose that if we brought in a goat and some chickens.

Maybe I should just settle for a 20-pound sack of sugar. I wouldn't have to lie about that.

jnk wrote:My wife and I live in a space smaller than a two-car garage.

And I'm pretty sure we'd lose that if we brought in a goat and some chickens.

Maybe I should just settle for a 20-pound sack of sugar. I wouldn't have to lie about that.

That would last less than a couple of months for the average American consumer of sugar ... not including all the other processed junk it gets combined with.

DreamStalker wrote:

jnk wrote:Only idiots eat.

Ever.

Anything.

A possible solution ... A DIY home aquaponic greenhouse the size of a 2-car garage will completely feed a family of four -- add goats and chickens for milk and eggs and your golden, totally unplugged, self-fed, and free from the corrupt toxic system that will collapse anyway within the next several years.

http://gardenpool.org/ I think this is so awesome

chunkyfrog wrote:Is all "organic" non-GMO? Or do I have to look for a third-party certification stamp?

Not sure about the non-GMO part.

Here's a link to an NPR discussion about a study of studies that concludes there is no objective evidence that organic is nutritionally better than non-organic. But as one person in the discussion said most people who go for organic do so for what is not in the food, not for what is in it. http://www.npr.org/2012/09/05/160615429 ... ganic-food.

You'll find links to lists of certifying organizations here: http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usd ... RTIFICATIO
There's also a link on that page to a PDF http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile ... nopgeninfo that states this:

Unless noted below, organic products must meet the following requirements:
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Produced without excluded methods (e.g., genetic engineering), ionizing radiation, or sewage sludge.
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Produced per the National List of Allowed and Prohibited Substances (National List).
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Overseen by a USDA National Organic Program- authorized certifying agent, following all USDA organic regulations.

From what I read it looks like organic only means no artificial fertilizers and such are used to grow the food. I suspect a GMO food could be grown and labeled organic, but I hope I'm wrong.

Here's a report about a company's frustrations with complying with all the various certifications for organic. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/0 ... n-programs

idamtnboy wrote:[... snip ...

From what I read it looks like organic only means no artificial fertilizers and such are used to grow the food. I suspect a GMO food could be grown and labeled organic, but I hope I'm wrong.

Currently GMO food is not required to be labled as such within the USA. There have been legislative attempts to require GMO labeling at both Federal and State levels but Monsanto is more powerful than We the People ... apparently.

So you are wrong and hope for GMO lables are in the hands of Monsanto .... good luck with that corporate facist system we have.

Catalytic wrote:

DreamStalker wrote:

jnk wrote:Only idiots eat.

Ever.

Anything.

A possible solution ... A DIY home aquaponic greenhouse the size of a 2-car garage will completely feed a family of four -- add goats and chickens for milk and eggs and your golden, totally unplugged, self-fed, and free from the corrupt toxic system that will collapse anyway within the next several years.

http://gardenpool.org/ I think this is so awesome

Yep, good use of a swimming pool. Not everyone has a swimming pool ... but a swimming pool is not required. All you need is the space of a 2-car garage some tools, some recycled building materials, and some sweat equity. Everyone should at the very least research the topic just to be familiar with some basic survival knowledge. Even if you prefer to ride the majority current of DeNile of an economic collpase, natural catastrophies do occur ... Katrina and Sandy come to mind.

DreamStalker wrote:

idamtnboy wrote:[... snip ...

From what I read it looks like organic only means no artificial fertilizers and such are used to grow the food. I suspect a GMO food could be grown and labeled organic, but I hope I'm wrong.

Currently GMO food is not required to be labled as such within the USA. There have been legislative attempts to require GMO labeling at both Federal and State levels but Monsanto is more powerful than We the People ... apparently.

So you are wrong and hope for GMO lables are in the hands of Monsanto .... good luck with that corporate facist system we have.

Are you saying if it is GMO it shall NOT be labeled organic? My point is that the labeling regulations MAY allow that whole grain cereal to be labeled ORGANIC while it in fact contains GMO wheat, but there is nothing about being GMO on the label. IOW, GMO and organic are not mutually exclusive. Right, or wrong?

idamtnboy wrote:

DreamStalker wrote:

idamtnboy wrote:[... snip ...

From what I read it looks like organic only means no artificial fertilizers and such are used to grow the food. I suspect a GMO food could be grown and labeled organic, but I hope I'm wrong.

Currently GMO food is not required to be labled as such within the USA. There have been legislative attempts to require GMO labeling at both Federal and State levels but Monsanto is more powerful than We the People ... apparently.

So you are wrong and hope for GMO lables are in the hands of Monsanto .... good luck with that corporate facist system we have.

Are you saying if it is GMO it shall NOT be labeled organic? My point is that the labeling regulations MAY allow that whole grain cereal to be labeled ORGANIC while it in fact contains GMO wheat, but there is nothing about being GMO on the label. IOW, GMO and organic are not mutually exclusive. Right, or wrong?

It can indeed be labled organic even if it is GMO. That is what the big fuss was about with California Proposition 37 during the last November election. Whole Foods has recently admitted that a lot of their 360 Brand organic frozen veggies are indeed GMO and have promised to lable their products with GMO lables by 2018 (after people forget about the issue they hope). Currently, GMO labeling in the USA is on a volunteer basis. So GMO-free does not equal Organic and Organic does not equal GMO-free.

Best thing to do is to Google "GMO Foods in USA", read the links and learn to avoid those foods unless you know in fact that they are not GMO.

DreamStalker wrote:It can indeed be labled organic even if it is GMO. That is what the big fuss was about with California Proposition 37 during the last November election. Whole Foods has recently admitted that a lot of their 360 Brand organic frozen veggies are indeed GMO and have promised to lable their products with GMO lables by 2018 (after people forget about the issue they hope). Currently, GMO labeling in the USA is on a volunteer basis. So GMO-free does not equal Organic and Organic does not equal GMO-free.

Thanks for clearing it up. Actually, I'm not that concerned about it, although maybe I ought to be. My food purchases, as I'm sure is the case with the vast majority of food buyers, are controlled by $$. But since in my mind the issue was somewhat muddy I wanted to be sure all of those here who do prefer organic know the real story and don't have a mistaken assumption about organic and GMO. I guess if I had 68 years ahead of me, instead of 68 years behind me, I would be more concerned. But I will say that on the topic of sugar, my wife and I don't use more than 5 to 10 pounds of purchased sugar a year, so I don't totally ignore the idea of healthy eating!

Today's Lola strip pretty well sums up how I feel about all the so called "diet" food.