Anyone here on Testosterone Therapy?

I've been on testostone stuff for several months. My pysch doctor recommened I get tested as he has found low testosterone can cause depression, and we have done every treatment and test out there.
It turned out that my T levels were very low, so they started me on a patch. It was useless, didn't work, wouldn't stick to the skin and would fall off, plus it would burn the skin slightly. Had another test 3 months later and no change.
So I went to see a endocranologist, who said, that one of the levels were low but the other test they do was in the normal range and didn't want to do anything, and I begged her to at least let me try as the depression was bad, and I am running out of options. So she said she would do it if I went for a MRI of my brain, to check my petuitary gland. Turns out I had a small tumor on it. She put me on androgel, and can't really tell any difference.
I started a new job as a consultant, so I haven't been back to see her as I can't take time off and travel all over the state, so I can't get a time that I know that I can see her, and she doesn't have night hours, so I will have to wait until my contract is up in 2 months.
I am going to ask to try the injections. I worry she will think I am drug seeking, but I'm just desperate to find what is wrong with me, as to the depression and the tiredness and nothing is working to fix it. It's been 15 years of not feeling well.
The only other thing I have found is that my vitamin D levels are low, which was no surprise to me.
I will give an update after I see her if she starts me on the shots. I do worry about the side effects on the liver and things like that, but at this point, I don't think a few weeks, to see if it improves my life will cause too many problems in that short of time.

Mike

A couple of points re: testosterone therapy. When males are in their 20's and early 30's, their testosterone levels will be at their highest. From that point on there is a gradual decline in testosterone. The problem with the declining levels is at some point testosterone will be too low and the estrogen in the male will take over. He will become estrogen dominate. That is when he can run into problems with the prostate and cancer. High testosterone is not the problem, w/i normal levels, but low testosterone is. Males need to keep estrogen in check.
There are 3 types of estrogen, one is for proliferation of cells, and that is the bad estrogen. That is why estrogen in males needs to be kept in check, and the only way to do that is with high enough levels of testosterone, just like we did when we were young. It doesn't hurt for the males to also take a low dose of progesterone along with their testosterone. Stay away from chemical testosterone. Go to a compounding pharmacy and get the bio-idential product. The transdermal cream works very well.
The test range for testosterone is between 200's and 800's. If you are low, they will call you normal, but you want it towards the upper 1/3.

SleepingBearDoNtWake wrote: So I went to see a endocranologist, who said, that one of the levels were low but the other test they do was in the normal range and didn't want to do anything, and I begged her to at least let me try as the depression was bad, and I am running out of options. So she said she would do it if I went for a MRI of my brain, to check my petuitary gland. Turns out I had a small tumor on it. She put me on androgel, and can't really tell any difference.

I would not use a female physician for testosterone replacement therapy. Females simply do not understand the essential need for a male to "feel aggressive." Lack of aggressiveness IMO, is a component of clinical depression in males.

Eric

Suddenly Worn Out wrote:I would not use a female physician for testosterone replacement therapy. Females simply do not understand the essential need for a male to "feel aggressive." Lack of aggressiveness IMO, is a component of clinical depression in males.

Good luck telling any physician that you don't feel "aggressive" enough and that you'd like them to prescribe something to make you feel more "aggressive". Perhaps there's another word you're looking for?

See what I mean? My male doctor understands what I am talking about, though. Women hate the word, aggressive. Female physicians are poor candidates for properly administering TRT, IMO.

Eric

SleepingUgly wrote:

Suddenly Worn Out wrote:I would not use a female physician for testosterone replacement therapy. Females simply do not understand the essential need for a male to "feel aggressive." Lack of aggressiveness IMO, is a component of clinical depression in males.

Good luck telling any physician that you don't feel "aggressive" enough and that you'd like them to prescribe something to make you feel more "aggressive". Perhaps there's another word you're looking for?

Like i said I just started and it seems to help. But it really worries me.
1. every 20 minutes on every tv channel is an andogel commercial
2. 350$ per month for a chemical they learned to copy 50 years ago. And is a natural chemical in all animals. Must be off patent. cause it is made by a lot of companies. But, you can get a rebate on insurance co-pay. uninsured you out of luck.
3. doctors must now follow the New york ad agencies.
3. US health care is now manditory by the corporation, for the corporation

SleepingUgly wrote:

Suddenly Worn Out wrote:I would not use a female physician for testosterone replacement therapy. Females simply do not understand the essential need for a male to "feel aggressive." Lack of aggressiveness IMO, is a component of clinical depression in males.

Good luck telling any physician that you don't feel "aggressive" enough and that you'd like them to prescribe something to make you feel more "aggressive". Perhaps there's another word you're looking for?

Just tell the Doctor, it taks you a minute longer to field strip your AK-47, and you want to get your old time back or better it. Jim

SleepingBearDoNtWake wrote:So she said she would do it if I went for a MRI of my brain, to check my petuitary gland. Turns out I had a small tumor on it.

How are you doing? Did you get that taken care of?

Suddenly Worn Out wrote:See what I mean? My male doctor understands what I am talking about, though. Women hate the word, aggressive. Female physicians are poor candidates for properly administering TRT, IMO.

Eric

SleepingUgly wrote:

Suddenly Worn Out wrote:I would not use a female physician for testosterone replacement therapy. Females simply do not understand the essential need for a male to "feel aggressive." Lack of aggressiveness IMO, is a component of clinical depression in males.

Good luck telling any physician that you don't feel "aggressive" enough and that you'd like them to prescribe something to make you feel more "aggressive". Perhaps there's another word you're looking for?

Yes sadly I agree. Aggression is probably not the right term, buy guys do understand. Men need testosterone to feel like a man. That why many middle aged men who are estrogen dominant literally turn into woman. They grow man boobs, get rounder hips, abdominal fat, muscle loss etc.

You guys really should try the pellets. The pellets get me into the 850 range and keep me ethereal with no estrogen spikes like the shots and the creams. It's worth the mild inconvenience of the procedure once every 4 months

Suddenly Worn Out wrote:See what I mean? My male doctor understands what I am talking about, though. Women hate the word, aggressive. Female physicians are poor candidates for properly administering TRT, IMO.

Why don't you explain what you mean and we can help you find a more appropriate word. No way is any doctor going to like a goal of greater aggression.

I was simply curious when I started reading this thread. It's no longer just a mild curiosity.

Did any of you gentlemen experience a rapid onset of insomnia? Did you experience any hot flashes?

REMember wrote:I was simply curious when I started reading this thread. It's no longer just a mild curiosity.

Did any of you gentlemen experience a rapid onset of insomnia? Did you experience any hot flashes?

No and No!
I was dia by the V. A, in the course of a Lab Test, they have found as we age our T levels fall, and that effects our quality of life, for methane ment muscle mass. Jim

Goofproof wrote:

SleepingUgly wrote:

Suddenly Worn Out wrote:
Just tell the Doctor, it taks you a minute longer to field strip your AK-47, and you want to get your old time back or better it. Jim

LOL hahaha

No not THAT kind of aggressiveness. I mean like male characteristics. Type A behavior, drive, sex drive, wanting to nail every good looking women in sight, ability to work out well, being able to "take charge" good. Things like that. Not violent or criminal type behavior.

Eric

SleepingUgly wrote:

Suddenly Worn Out wrote:See what I mean? My male doctor understands what I am talking about, though. Women hate the word, aggressive. Female physicians are poor candidates for properly administering TRT, IMO.

Why don't you explain what you mean and we can help you find a more appropriate word. No way is any doctor going to like a goal of greater aggression.

Just forget about it. You would never understand even if it were explained to you carefully. You sound hypersensitive.

Eric

Suddenly Worn Out wrote:

SleepingUgly wrote:

Suddenly Worn Out wrote:See what I mean? My male doctor understands what I am talking about, though. Women hate the word, aggressive. Female physicians are poor candidates for properly administering TRT, IMO.

Why don't you explain what you mean and we can help you find a more appropriate word. No way is any doctor going to like a goal of greater aggression.

Just forget about it. You would never understand even if it were explained to you carefully. You sound hypersensitive.

Eric

Yes, I'm stupid and hypersensitive. I'd never understand anything about people.