Flu shot time again

archangle wrote:

grillhead wrote:My son is not a science experiment.

Yes, he is. You're experimenting on him because you want to make a point of your unscientific viewpoint despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. How will you be able to live with yourself if he dies as a result?

Apparently Archangle only considers "evidence" tainted by Big Pharma money as scientific. How sad. I call that "bad science".

I'm with the archangle.......I was reading your profile...You are an RN in the smallest state with no interests in anything. Maybe if you took an interest you would vaccinate.

There is plenty of information and evidence out there in support of not vaccinating. It's just a choice that one can make as to whether they want to take the time to check into it or just go with what the government and industry promote as the status quo. Here are three sites with information against vaccinations if anyone would care to take a look

http://www.vaxtruth.org
http://www.wetheparents.info
http://www.wvve.info

LSAT wrote:I'm with the archangle.......I was reading your profile...You are an RN in the smallest state with no interests in anything. Maybe if you took an interest you would vaccinate.

Yes, because being an RN in a small state makes me less qualified to understand vaccines than a Retired Financial Consultant and Estate Planner who's interests are Biking, Golf, Travel and Grandchildren. Come to where I work, I'll gladly give you a flu shot.

archangle wrote:

opticalpopsicle wrote:I've taken micro, I know how viruses operate. Too bad we don't know enough about how heavy metals operate on a cellular level. I do appreciate you volunteering to be a test subject though. Someone has to do it.

Ask the antivaccine person with a unvaccinated child or parent who died from a preventable illness what they think about your speculative fearmongering.

Opticalpopsicle... while you have a right to your opinion and admit that in the past I too questioned getting the flu shot... I watched my 11 year old grandson come close to dying when he had the H1N1, because his mother held your beliefs. He was soooo sick, and it could have been avoided. Then he gave it to his dad who was almost as sick as my grandson. It was a terrible time... along with friends and family worrying if they would get it also.

I've done plenty of reading on the subject, including the links posted above. I got my flu shot last week!

ems wrote:

archangle wrote:

opticalpopsicle wrote:I've taken micro, I know how viruses operate. Too bad we don't know enough about how heavy metals operate on a cellular level. I do appreciate you volunteering to be a test subject though. Someone has to do it.

Ask the antivaccine person with a unvaccinated child or parent who died from a preventable illness what they think about your speculative fearmongering.

Opticalpopsicle... while you have a right to your opinion and admit that in the past I too questioned getting the flu shot... I watched my 11 year old grandson come close to dying when he had the H1N1, because his mother held your beliefs. He was soooo sick, and it could have been avoided. Then he gave it to his dad who was almost as sick as my grandson. It was a terrible time... along with friends and family worrying if they would get it also.

I've done plenty of reading on the subject, including the links posted above. I got my flu shot last week!

You've done the research and made an informed choice. While I don't agree with it, I respect it because you were "informed". I am personally ok with that. My disagreements are with those that do it just because the government tells them to, their doctor says it's what you should/have to do, or the schools say you have to do it. Every person should have the choice and not be mandated to do it. There are 20 students in one county in this state that weren't allowed to go to school because they didn't have dTap vaccines or whatnot. It's ridiculous.

I've never had the flu shot and can't recall ever having had the flu, either. And despite having worked in R&D for a medium/Big Pharma for 25 years, I don't support the idea of getting vaccines "just because." For some folks it makes sense as a precaution; the young, elderly, immune-compromised, perhaps healthcare workers and teachers. Perhaps. But it's not for everybody.

Every year about this time the CDC comes out with the same cautionary statement. The school year is starting and the weather in the northern hemisphere begins to cool, which means people will be spending more time indoors, breathing conditioned air, touching things that others have touched. The news media picks the message up and, as is their propensity, amplifies it. Talking heads with befurrowed brows breathlessly blabble like some beknighted brook, displaying pictures and film clips and PowerPoint pie charts showing what happened during the great pandemics in past centuries. And every year there are predictions and proclamations and prognostications aired to the effect that, because they happened periodically in the past, it follows that we're overdue for another great flu pandemic that will decimate the population.

It's going to happen again, only a matter of time. Oh my gawd! We're all going to die! And every year . . . what? Not much seems to happen.

Then there are those who have published papers in the academic press that say it's just not so. That the conditions that lead to and abetted the genesis of the terrible flu pandemics of the past are materially different from those of the world we now live in.


And so on it goes.

Got my flu shot about five hours ago. Get it every year, since I work around people who have lived a lot longer than I have. I'm already sore. I got a Snoopy bandaid and a piece of candy, though, so it was like totally worth it!

I got the shingles vaccine Monday. Now THAT one kicked my butt, even though it was given in my arm. I stayed in sick the next day. I guess it's a live one, not like the flu-shot stuff. I hope it keeps me from getting shingles again, though, since I got it around my eye a while back.

This morning a friend of mine hit me in the arm to say hi. His hit landed right on the big, red, sore lump I've still got from the shingles shot. I yelped and grabbed my arm like the oversized wimp that I am. Embarrassing.

You should have kicked him in the shin. My sympathies. Shingles is nothing to take lightly. When it's my time, I think I'll get that one. I've seen too many folks that have had shingles and it doesn't look like much fun, and it's as common as growing old is.

Not to get too cynical here, but the CDC has been hit with budget cuts for FY 2013, and being a large bureaucracy with a fiscal budget shortfall, I sort of expect that they will beat the drum a little louder this year than they have in the past. I haven't seen anything to support my suspicion yet, but I'll be watching just to see if I'm right.

See pp 12-14 below:
http://www.cdc.gov/fmo/topic/Budget%20I ... Slides.pdf

Slartybartfast wrote: . . . When it's my time . . .

I'm not 50 yet, but the doc decided he could go a bit "off-label" for me with the shingles shot because of the location of where I had shingles.

The sad thing is that the arm punch was from the same guy who slapped me on the back a few years ago on the exact spot where I still had stitches from a mole removal. He always sneaks up on me from behind when I'm seated, so I never get the opportunity to kick or punch a good response.

Whatever happened to the old handshake? or fist-bump? or bow?

grillhead wrote:There is plenty of information and evidence out there in support of not vaccinating. It's just a choice that one can make as to whether they want to take the time to check into it or just go with what the government and industry promote as the status quo. Here are three sites with information against vaccinations if anyone would care to take a look

http://www.vaxtruth.org
http://www.wetheparents.info
http://www.wvve.info

Just like there's plenty of evidence that 911 was fake, that jet contrails are actually "chem-trails" from the government doing experiments on us, and that space aliens are really traveling trillions of miles to visit Earth, and all they do is leave fancy patterns of flattened plants in wheat fields.

Pro vaccine: Smallpox, measles, polio, rabies, whooping cough, 40,000 flu deaths per year in the US, 3-6% of the whole world's population from the 1918 flu.

Anti vaccine: A small number of nutjobs with very weak, if any, statistics on their side.

When I had suspected H1N1 (in spite of having had a shot), I had to stay away from work for awhile
to avoid exposing a co-worker whose wife has MS.
That sort of infection could have KILLED her. I wouldn't want that on my conscience.
Not getting vaccinated is an extremely SELFISH choice, not to mention incredibly ignorant--(end of rant)

I understand people feeling strongly on the matter.

However, I would point out that even some healthcare workers do not get the flu shot for medical or religious reasons.

As long as it is a legally valid choice not to get the shot, my personal choice is not to judge the choices of non-healthcare workers in the matter, even when a mere matter of personal preference, whatever the reasons behind it.

But hey, that's just me.

archangle wrote:

grillhead wrote:There is plenty of information and evidence out there in support of not vaccinating. It's just a choice that one can make as to whether they want to take the time to check into it or just go with what the government and industry promote as the status quo. Here are three sites with information against vaccinations if anyone would care to take a look

http://www.vaxtruth.org
http://www.wetheparents.info
http://www.wvve.info

Just like there's plenty of evidence that 911 was fake, that jet contrails are actually "chem-trails" from the government doing experiments on us, and that space aliens are really traveling trillions of miles to visit Earth, and all they do is leave fancy patterns of flattened plants in wheat fields.

Pro vaccine: Smallpox, measles, polio, rabies, whooping cough, 40,000 flu deaths per year in the US, 3-6% of the whole world's population from the 1918 flu.

Anti vaccine: A small number of nutjobs with very weak, if any, statistics on their side.

You obviously didn't take the time to read much of what is on those sites or to do any additional research into the subject. I have my opinion and everyone else is entitled to theirs. If people want to have vaccines injected into their bodies, fine, that's their choice. I reserve the right to have the choice not to.

Update: My flu shot here at work is scheduled for Oct 22nd. Hope that isn't too late as people are starting to get sick here already - maybe just the common cold but who knows with this weather change...