OSA - Low testosterone/Osteoporosis

Hm, old thread. I hardly ever know what I'm talking about anyway, so carry on.

If you are on Androgel I wonder if there is a benefit to applying it at bedtime rather than in the morning?

JaxTom wrote:If you are on Androgel I wonder if there is a benefit to applying it at bedtime rather than in the morning?

Yes, it's more likely to transfer to the bed, if wife sleeps with you it's more likely to transfer to her. Use it in the AM, protect your wife and kids from transfer.

I use 1.62 % 2 pumps daily, have no added sleep apnea, but I don't have sleep apnea, because I treat sleep apnea with XPAP correctly. Jim

fredouil wrote:Hi guys,

I am 39, I have been diagnosed with very low Testosterone last year and last month I broke my elbow with small fall, look like i have an advanced osteoporosis
The chir says my bones are like 80yo'ones ;-(

My new endocrinologist is now more seriously trying to find out the causes and asked me to undertake a sleep study : severe OSA, AHI :77

he is saying OSA can cause low Test and therefore osteoporosis.

Are you aware of that, I haven't found much article that clearly link OSA with low T and even less with osteoporosis.

Do you have any links/articles/

anyone with the same problem ???

i am getting a resmed S9 next week, hope it helps

Thank you

I also have low T. Your doctor says OSA can cause low T, but how are you sure this is causation and not just correlation? (Similar to the dental post I was reading earlier about young people having teeth removed = old people with OSA.)
There's a lot of factors that can be interacting and hard to sort out.
Here's a question, are you sure OSA causes low T and not low T causes OSA? Or maybe they are just common to appear together because of lifestyle similarity?

JaxTom wrote:If you are on Androgel I wonder if there is a benefit to applying it at bedtime rather than in the morning?

I've been on T too and for me it triggered insomnia so I had to put it on in the morning.

fredouil wrote:Hi guys,

I am 39, I have been diagnosed with very low Testosterone last year and last month I broke my elbow with small fall, look like i have an advanced osteoporosis
The chir says my bones are like 80yo'ones ;-(

My new endocrinologist is now more seriously trying to find out the causes and asked me to undertake a sleep study : severe OSA, AHI :77

he is saying OSA can cause low Test and therefore osteoporosis.

Are you aware of that, I haven't found much article that clearly link OSA with low T and even less with osteoporosis.

Do you have any links/articles/

anyone with the same problem ???

i am getting a resmed S9 next week, hope it helps

Thank you

Hi fredouil!

I have run across this in the research literature and even recent news (I have several google alerts running so I probably see 20 or so apnea related story headlines a day).

Search for the articles and stories in PubMed, Google Scholar, and Google. They are there.

I check my CPAP data often and I find that a single bad night (AHI above 2 and/or notable breathing stability problems) will drop my interest while the end of most good nights will see a morning reminder that I am indeed alive and kicking. As well, after several months in my new digs with less stress, more sun, good built in exercise (hills), and a recent reduction in my pressure to correct breathing stability problems I find myself joining a fitness club, reading some bodies of Eastern literature I wish I had found at 14, and wondering where all the good late 40s to early 60s women spend thier time.

Wether it be getting rid of OSA or getting bones to grow I think that exercise is crucial. After several years of trying to get my 10,000 steps a day (I seem to get up to about 70%-80% of this in the summer but often grow very weak in this during the winter) my daughter has noticed that my lower jaw has come forward noteably. This appears to be actual bone remodeling - probably through exercise and diet induced gene activation along with the reduction in OSA stresses.

I also wonder if my "hope springs eternal" interests in the opposit sex also indeed spur some of the changes. I think they do!

We really do need and sould greatly appreciate our ladies!

Todzo