OT: Asked if I had a gun in my home during physical.

I hope those of you cheering for that law in Florida realize that you are cheering for bigger, more powerful government. That which you claim to fear you actually cheer on. Do you realize this?

Are we too wimpy to deal with a medical practice that would ask this question? Do we need Big Brother to step in with the threat of force to tell the doctor not to ask that question?

I don't. I would much rather handle it myself than expand the power of state or federal governments.

NotMuffy wrote:ok her i am in the er tipign left handed (altho why tiping left hand suddinly creates speling errers I'll never kno) gettin a hundrid and forty stitches from a sparta spear wound boy thatz sharp...

ROTFL!!

to JNK re--fishing.
When I was a kid, we had a northern pike in our freezer that was 42" long-not including the head.
Certainly a master angler award--except for the teensy bullet hole.
My dad shot it with his .22 rifle. Delicious food for quite a few meals.

John M. Browning wrote:Nice job taking Texan's comment from the context it was intended, and inserting it into a ridiculous scenario.

The only thing that is ridiculous is you Gun Nuts thinking that an Annual Physical, one of whose purposes is to promote Preventive Medicine, is anything more than a sincere effort to try to insure that you guys don't blow your nuts off (or somebody else's) "cleaning your gun".

If you're truly a "law-abiding citizen" then you already are in the "Government Database", or shouldn't have any objection to being in it.

Can you understand that!? If not, then I would respectfully submit that it is YOU that is the subversive, and not everyone else.

Never been asked but i hope i do somtime.

BlackSpinner wrote:Do they also want to know about the vibrators, hand cuffs and whips?

YES YES and YES to the above...........Do i own a GUN nun of your Beeeeeeez WAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rested gal wrote:

NotMuffy wrote:ok her i am in the er tipign left handed (altho why tiping left hand suddinly creates speling errers I'll never kno) gettin a hundrid and forty stitches from a sparta spear wound boy thatz sharp...

ROTFL!!

Yes yes guns are for wimps. Most of my friends do it with "swords" in 90lb suits of Armour in the blazing sun. If you can't feel that satisfying "thunk" it is not worth it. And you know that in a full suit of armour nobody bothers you on the bus.

Besides a hand gun or a sword - against a tank it is just the same effect.

NotMuffy wrote:The only thing that is ridiculous is you Gun Nuts thinking that an Annual Physical, one of whose purposes is to promote Preventive Medicine, is anything more than a sincere effort to try to insure that you guys don't blow your nuts off (or somebody else's) "cleaning your gun".

If you're truly a "law-abiding citizen" then you already are in the "Government Database", or shouldn't have any objection to being in it.

Can you understand that!? If not, then I would respectfully submit that it is YOU that is the subversive, and not everyone else.

The information gathering often starts off as something that actually is intended to help the general public, but once the information has been gathered, it's subject to abuse. For instance, census data and social security information in the US was gathered for perfectly legitimate uses. However, in the 1940's it was used by the US government to track down US born citizens on the basis of race, steal their property, and send them to concentration camps.

There's no "central conspiracy committee" that meets on a regular basis to plot the process of turning us all into peasants. There are a lot of organizations (government or otherwise) that gather information on us and file it away. Later on come the people who think they have some legitimate reason to use the data for something it wasn't intended for. Once they cheat a little on taking private information and abusing it for a "good" cause, it becomes easier and easier to justify using it for more and more reasons. And it becomes easier and easier for the non-government criminals to steal and abuse your data.

archangle wrote:The information gathering often starts off as something that actually is intended to help the general public, but once the information has been gathered, it's subject to abuse. For instance, census data and social security information in the US was gathered for perfectly legitimate uses. However, in the 1940's it was used by the US government to track down US born citizens on the basis of race, steal their property, and send them to concentration camps.

OK, now I understand!

So when the Whatever happens, all the Government Spooks are going to break into the private physician offices, go through all those H&Ps, make note of all the people who answered "Yes" to the question "Do you practice gun safety measures"; undoubtedly take the names of the people who respond "I refuse to answer that" because clearly they are hiding something (probably an Uzi); certainly include those people who say "No" (regardless whether or not they misunderstood the question) cause they're REALLY dangerous; and since they're not all that stupid and realize that the respondent could be lying, also make note of the people who say they don't have a gun.

Then, they're going to throw all these people into Concentration Camps, but since the government has no money, they won't be able to afford to build fences, so instead they'll draw a line in the sand (there's sand since they'll be in New Mexico cause the government is Super Smart and realize the heating bill will be lower in New Mexico) and say "This is a pretend fence so don't cross that line!"

Now we have this enormous Work Force at our disposal, so they'll be used to build munitions like Tiger Tanks (however, since the government has "Gone Green", they'll obviously be diesel-electric hybrids and fire giant 88mm rubber bullets so they won't kill any Spotted Hooty Owls) and we're ready to attack the... the... who are we going to attack again?

archangle wrote:There's no "central conspiracy committee" that meets on a regular basis to plot the process of turning us all into peasants. There are a lot of organizations (government or otherwise) that gather information on us and file it away. Later on come the people who think they have some legitimate reason to use the data for something it wasn't intended for. Once they cheat a little on taking private information and abusing it for a "good" cause, it becomes easier and easier to justify using it for more and more reasons. And it becomes easier and easier for the non-government criminals to steal and abuse your data.

Wouldn't it be easier to simply monitor the 'net and collect the IPs of the subversives from forums like GunNutTalk.com? One thing about Gun Nuts is that they can't wait to brag about their last successful assault on a beer can (from a couple of different strategies, if you get my drift).

Or better yet, just run a video feed from behind the registers at the ammo counter at all the WalMarts?

Or, "IMHO", what will happen during the Whatever is that "They'll" simply point some sort of "Advanced Weapons Detection System" at you:



and if they get a "Positive Response" (a lot quicker than the aforementioned, slow-developing, "Do you practice firearms safety?") simply "Light Your #&@%ing Ass Up" with an M4.

NotMuffy wrote:

archangle wrote:The information gathering often starts off as something that actually is intended to help the general public, but once the information has been gathered, it's subject to abuse. For instance, census data and social security information in the US was gathered for perfectly legitimate uses. However, in the 1940's it was used by the US government to track down US born citizens on the basis of race, steal their property, and send them to concentration camps.

OK, now I understand!

So when the Whatever happens, all the Government Spooks are going to break into the private physician offices, go through all those H&Ps, make note of all the people who answered "Yes" to the question "Do you practice gun safety measures"; undoubtedly take the names of the people who respond "I refuse to answer that" because clearly they are hiding something (probably an Uzi); certainly include those people who say "No" (regardless whether or not they misunderstood the question) cause they're REALLY dangerous; and since they're not all that stupid and realize that the respondent could be lying, also make note of the people who say they don't have a gun.

Then, they're going to throw all these people into Concentration Camps, but since the government has no money, they won't be able to afford to build fences, so instead they'll draw a line in the sand (there's sand since they'll be in New Mexico cause the government is Super Smart and realize the heating bill will be lower in New Mexico) and say "This is a pretend fence so don't cross that line!"

Now we have this enormous Work Force at our disposal, so they'll be used to build munitions like Tiger Tanks (however, since the government has "Gone Green", they'll obviously be diesel-electric hybrids and fire giant 88mm rubber bullets so they won't kill any Spotted Hooty Owls) and we're ready to attack the... the... who are we going to attack again?

archangle wrote:There's no "central conspiracy committee" that meets on a regular basis to plot the process of turning us all into peasants. There are a lot of organizations (government or otherwise) that gather information on us and file it away. Later on come the people who think they have some legitimate reason to use the data for something it wasn't intended for. Once they cheat a little on taking private information and abusing it for a "good" cause, it becomes easier and easier to justify using it for more and more reasons. And it becomes easier and easier for the non-government criminals to steal and abuse your data.

Wouldn't it be easier to simply monitor the 'net and collect the IPs of the subversives from forums like GunNutTalk.com? One thing about Gun Nuts is that they can't wait to brag about their last successful assault on a beer can (from a couple of different strategies, if you get my drift).

Or better yet, just run a video feed from behind the registers at the ammo counter at all the WalMarts?

Wow.

NotMuffy wrote:OK, now I understand!

So when the Whatever happens, all the Government Spooks are going to break into the private physician offices, go through all those H&Ps, make note of all the people who answered "Yes" to the question "Do you practice gun safety measures"; undoubtedly take the names of the people who respond "I refuse to answer that" because clearly they are hiding something (probably an Uzi); certainly include those people who say "No" (regardless whether or not they misunderstood the question) cause they're REALLY dangerous; and since they're not all that stupid and realize that the respondent could be lying, also make note of the people who say they don't have a gun.

Have you been asleep for the past few years? A big part of healthcare reform is to get centralized EHR (Electronic Health Records). In concept, go to any doctor in the US and he would have access to your EHR health records from all the other doctors. In theory, there are privacy protections, but the government will have access to the data. And the government can change the rules for access to the data at any time in the future.

I do believe the major motivation for EHR is truly to try to reduce healthcare costs. However, once the data is gathered together, it's just too tempting a target for government meddlers, criminal hackers, or even legitimate industry to really stay private.

archangle wrote:

NotMuffy wrote:OK, now I understand!

So when the Whatever happens, all the Government Spooks are going to break into the private physician offices, go through all those H&Ps, make note of all the people who answered "Yes" to the question "Do you practice gun safety measures"; undoubtedly take the names of the people who respond "I refuse to answer that" because clearly they are hiding something (probably an Uzi); certainly include those people who say "No" (regardless whether or not they misunderstood the question) cause they're REALLY dangerous; and since they're not all that stupid and realize that the respondent could be lying, also make note of the people who say they don't have a gun.

Have you been asleep for the past few years? A big part of healthcare reform is to get centralized EHR (Electronic Health Records). In concept, go to any doctor in the US and he would have access to your EHR health records from all the other doctors. In theory, there are privacy protections, but the government will have access to the data. And the government can change the rules for access to the data at any time in the future.

OK, hang on there just minute there, Wyatt. The Electronic Medical Record (EMR) as you describe is light years away from what you describe. There are a variety of packages out there, and unless they agree to interface (which they NEVER will) or they all merge into a single package, the theory that you describe will not become realty. These EMRs are not just a simple "Word" document (although they'd probably work a lot better if they were).

In practice, hospitals have EMRs, but unless they're part of a system, that's pretty much as far as it gets. Hospitals within systems may not even use the same one, much less interface. Then you would have to get all the private physicians to buy in (literally) to THAT package (and that's the real point here), and now that's beyond impossible.

TS, a noted hospital system covering a fairly substantial service area is attempting to do just that (at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars), but we'll see if the private physicians will participate in great enough numbers to bring your paranoia to potential reality (although I'd sure like to know how the answer to the OP's question is of any value, as noted above).

So now I have a question.

Of what value is the Gun Nut Database (GND) derived from the "Do you practice gun safety?" query anyway?

archangle wrote:In theory, there are privacy protections, but the government will have access to the data. And the government can change the rules for access to the data at any time in the future.

I do believe the major motivation for EHR is truly to try to reduce healthcare costs. However, once the data is gathered together, it's just too tempting a target for government meddlers, criminal hackers, or even legitimate industry to really stay private.

It seems to me that hackers could care less about EMRs. What could they possibly use that data for? They'd make a heckuva lot more $$$ breaking into credit card and bank accounts.

TS, maybe the government is more concerned about a sliding scale to pay for the disastrous health care plan, and the GND should pay more than the average struggling family. If the GNs have enough "discretionary income" that they can throw it away on all that crap, as well as risk injuring themselves and others by generating Preventable Injuries (again, the point of the gun, bike, etc. safety questions), then they should have to pay more.

Wait! New idea!

Tax the %&*$! out of guns and ammo! Worse than gas and cigarettes!

Annual permits of a zillion dollars!

The Muffmeister strikes again....