Cpap v's Buteyko

snnnark wrote:I tend to sleep better, or at least, fall asleep better on the nights when I've had a long, hot bath. Could internal temp increase have any impact on Complex sleep apnea?

Actually, it's the subsequent decrease in body temperature that triggers sleep onset:



http://www.journalsleep.org/ViewAbstract.aspx?pid=24292

Muffy

Thanks for that Muffy

Hmm... methinks I might do some data gathering with a thermometer.... although the "raw rectal" gives pause for thought.

Thanks for the link, Muffy! However, unless there's something about the graph I fail to grasp, I can't use it as I'd hoped to resolve to my satisfaction the issue of whether the Buteyko-ites are correct in their physiological theories. The problem is that the variables in the program lack interdependence, so while it's easy to change the value for, say, CO2, such a change affects only he O2 variables, not any other variables a change in CO2 would present -- not a real world situation. The software works well for its intended purpose, and its results are suggestive, but it doesn't really prove or disprove what I'd hoped. And I really don't have a pony in this race.

We have two main issues here. 1. Are the Buteyko-ites correct in their theories? 2. Does their method do any good? We also have sub-issues: if their method works, does it do so for the reason they claim or through a mechanism they haven't discovered? If their method doesn't work and their science is as bogus as Muffy so strongly believes, are they aware of it and using their claims to bilk suckers? Are they sincere but mistaken? Etc.

I can only relate a bit of personal experience. I read about this breathing technique years ago and rejected it as silly. Then, two weeks ago, I was doing some internet research (on the Misinformation Highway) about how to cure a persistent cough and stumbled on a bit of anecdotal reporting from people who claimed to have cured such a cough with Buteyko breathing -- these weren't asthmatics BTW. So I decided to try it on my own with no formal instruction. To my considerable surprise, I've been feeling much better ever since, far more alert in the daytime, and have been sleeping better as well. Could this be coincidence? Absolutely. Particularly since Spring has sprung, which certainly can have an effect on me. Nevertheless, I'm going to continue this practice and see if the benefits I've noted continue to accrue.

Years ago I wrote a short story (published with a slightly altered concept) about a group of people in ancient Tibet who stumbled on a 50s Chevy with a key in its ignition. Through experiment and accident, they managed to start the car and make it move, but they explained the car and its behavior according to their belief system. I suspect a great many things work just fine, but we have no idea why.

geager wrote:I believe the increased volume of co2 absorbed by the blood prevents the soft tissue from relaxing and keeps the airway open.

So stop Al Gore, stop Cap-and-Trade, stop the EPA, let atmospheric CO2 rise and the CPAP market is dead?

Raj wrote:The problem is that the variables in the program lack interdependence, so while it's easy to change the value for, say, CO2, such a change affects only he O2 variables, not any other variables a change in CO2 would present -- not a real world situation.

Right, if you want to see, for example, what the pH does in acute pCO2 changes, you have to use the Henderson-Hasselbach calculator and plug those values into the oxyhemoglobin dissociation curve manually.

That calculator can account for all the variables except 2,3-DPG.

Muffy

Cpap v's Buteyko

My apologies. It would seem I'm in the wrong thread...

I THOUGHT this was the place to discuss Joey getting caught taping his mouth while using CPAP: http://www.joeybuttafuocotape.com/

Raj wrote:We have two main issues here. 1. Are the Buteyko-ites correct in their theories?

Absolutely not. They are blaming all of the health problems of the universe on "chronic hyperventilation"

normalbreathing.com wrote:Now it is possible to analyze or even provide answers to three questions:
Are there many chronic diseases or only one (with various symptoms depending in environmental factors, life style parameters, and individual predisposition)?
What is the name of this disease?
How should it be treated?

using syllogism, material taken out of context and incorrect information ("Look! Here's one study where the patients have a VE of 16.6 liters/minute, so obviously everybody on the planet does that normally and that's the cause of everything from athletes foot to why the Wildcats fell flat on their faces in the NCAA tournament!")(BTW, those patients had a VE of 16.6 because

While sitting, after a 5-min period of adaptation to the circuit, each subject started to breathe a gas mixture (7% CO2 and 93% O2) from a 6-liter anesthetic bag for 4-6 min.

Obviously, it's the diseases themselves that create those breathing patterns with high VE, not the other way around.

Raj wrote:2. Does their method do any good?

Relaxation Techniques are fine, but I would use the Herb Benson Relaxation Response

http://www.relaxationresponse.org/steps/

You can buy the whole book for 8 bucks.

Muffy

In taking information out of context to demonstrate how the world's VE has increased and "chronic hyperventilation" is the norm

http://www.normalbreathing.com/index-table3-normal.php



several of the Buteyko references are studies exploying cardiopulmonary exercise testing to examine something or other, for example

DeLorey DS, Babb TG, Progressive mechanical ventilatory constraints with aging, Am J Respir Crit Care Med 1999 Jul; 160(1): p.169-177.



Well let me tell you, standing on the treadmill or sitting on the exercise bike getting ready for them to flip the switch is absolutely NOT a measurement of true "resting MV", but easily offers seemingly "scientific data" to back up Buteyko Propaganda.

Muffy

Also, the cardiopulmonary exercise testing (CPX) circuit has some "dead space" within it, so the patient does a little CO2 rebreathing and the resting MV will artificially increase. Thus, any study employing CPX will provide "the Buteyko People" with a rich source of misinformation.

Muffy

I have to chuckle at the obvious misinformation you presented above -- I mean the Buteyko misinformation, not yours. Somewhere above I alluded to the way many discoverers of a health principle (real or not) try to use it to explain all health ills. And I quite agree: statistics are easy to misuse. It's strange, but even in the hardest sciences a degree of uncertainly can sneak in. I've been working on some scientic papers (related to As(III) testing) based on careful work by some grad students and keep finding bits of interpretation in what should be objective results.

The main thing I question you on right now is your assumption that practicing lighter breathing is simply an evocation of the relaxation response. Like the good Dreamdiver, I'm a serious practitioner of contemplative disciplines and am very familiar with the experiential and measurable consequences of various forms of pranayama and meditation. So far, I experience very little increase of tranquility when practicing lighter breathing; in fact, the feeling of being slightly short of air is a bit uncomfortable. What I am experiencing is improved alertness throughout the day and better sleep. So let's turn the question on its head: if you assume a person has periods of mild hyperventilation during the day, perhaps a habitual way of reacting to stress, and this person trains themselves to stop hyperventilating, what consequences would you expect?

Raj wrote:
The main thing I question you on right now is your assumption that practicing lighter breathing is simply an evocation of the relaxation response. Like the good Dreamdiver, I'm a serious practitioner of contemplative disciplines and am very familiar with the experiential and measurable consequences of various forms of pranayama and meditation. So far, I experience very little increase of tranquility when practicing lighter breathing; in fact, the feeling of being slightly short of air is a bit uncomfortable. What I am experiencing is improved alertness throughout the day and better sleep. So let's turn the question on its head: if you assume a person has periods of mild hyperventilation during the day, perhaps a habitual way of reacting to stress, and this person trains themselves to stop hyperventilating, what consequences would you expect?

I agree with you there. I have also learned several relaxation techniques and forms of meditation and they don't work all that well when I get an asthma attack. They are fabulous for anxiety, getting to sleep, child birth and general pain relief, but the kind of breathing that gets a relaxation response is slow deep breathing which is really hard to do when having an asthma attack.
I was quite interested to see your analysis of the differences in the breathing techniques - I had heard of buteyko breathing before but from the references I was given it seemed a bit off the wall and confusing. Most of the people I had worked with when I was doing shiatsu didn't breath deep enough or even rhythmically enough to begin with.
I will have to investigate it more now. My personal asthma attacks have decreased dramatically since I started cpap but my daughters have it in a different form too. Plus there is always winter air pollution......

BlackSpinner, I haven't wanted to take a specific side in this debate (since it's been rather one-sided aside from a person who was probably a troll), and I do suspect that Buteyko accidently discovered a means for asthmatics to reduce their meds (without proveably improving pulmunary function), and certainly the Bohr effect is real; however, as Muffy has pointed out, body pH corrects itself quickly and I've never found any solid science supporting the Buteyko-ites extensive claims. Periods of lighter breathing seem to helping me, but perhaps I'm merely corrected a personal problem. I think some experimentation with this might be helpful for you, but I don't want you to take BBT at face value. The best debunking article I've read so far is here: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2550

Raj wrote:So let's turn the question on its head: if you assume a person has periods of mild hyperventilation during the day, perhaps a habitual way of reacting to stress, and this person trains themselves to stop hyperventilating, what consequences would you expect?

If the assumption is that the underlying disorder is a benign form of Hyperventilation Syndrome, they may get substantial relief from their symptoms.

However, since the likelihood that the hyperventilation is

Raj wrote:perhaps a habitual way of reacting to stress

would only be in the neighborhood of about 10%, then my assumption is that they could be ignoring a symptom of a potentially lethal other diagnosis, and are going to be looking PFS when the ambulance comes to pick them up because they've just dropped a PE, are having an MI, or any one of a myriad of other situations:

4-Alpha-hydroxyphenylpyruvate hydroxylase deficiency - rapid breathing
Accelerated silicosis - rapid breathing
Acidosis
Acrocephaly - pulmonary stenosis - mental retardation - rapid breathing
Acute circulatory collapse
Acute mercury inhalation - rapid breathing
Acute pneumonias
Acute pulmonary emboli
Acute pulmonary embolism
Acute respiratory distress syndrome, Infant - rapid breathing
Acute Silicosis - rapid breathing
Acyl-CoA dehydrogenase, very long chain, deficiency of - rapid breathing
Adrenal adenoma, familial - rapid breathing
Adrenal Cancer - rapid breathing
Adrenal gland hyperfunction - rapid breathing
Adrenal hemorrhage, neonatal - tachypnea
Adrenal incidentaloma - rapid breathing
Adrenal medulla neoplasm - rapid breathing
Adult respiratory distress syndrome - tachypnea
Adult-onset asthma - rapid breathing
Airway obstruction
Allergic asthma - rapid breathing
Amphetamine abuse - rapid breathing
Amphetamine intoxication
Anaphylactic shock
Anchovy poisoning (clupeotoxin) - rapid breathing
Anemia - rapid breathing
Anemia, Neonatal - rapid breathing
Anoxemia - rapid breathing
Anxiety
Anxiety attack - an imprecise name for a less severe panic attack.
Anxiety disorders
Aortic arches defect - rapid breathing
Aortic coarctation - rapid breathing
Appian-Plutarch syndrome - rapid breathing
Apple seed poisoning - rapid breathing
Argininosuccinase lyase deficiency, neonatal - rapid breathing
Arizona Bark Scorpion poisoning - rapid breathing
Aspiration of a foreign body
Aspiration of gastrointestinal contents
Aspirin-induced asthma - rapid breathing
Asthma - Rapid breathing
Asthma in pregnancy - rapid breathing
Atelectasis
Atopic asthma - rapid breathing
Atrial septal defect 1 - rapid breathing
Atrial septal defect 2 - rapid breathing
Atrial Septal Defect 3 - rapid breathing
Atrial Septal Defect 4 - rapid breathing
Atrial Septal Defect 5 - rapid breathing
Atrial Septal Defect 6 - rapid breathing
Bacteremia - Tachypnoea
Bacterial diseases - Tachypnoea
Bacterial meningitis - Tachypnoea
Bacterial pneumonia
Bindewald-Ulmer-Muller syndrome - rapid breathing
Black widow spider envenomation - rapid breathing
Bland-Garland-White syndrome - rapid breathing
Bland-White -Garland syndrome - rapid breathing
Bonefish poisoning (clupeotoxin) - rapid breathing
Bronchiolitis - rapid breathing
Bronchitis
Bronchopulmonary dysplasia - rapid shallow breathing (tachypnea)
Bullous lung disease
Carbamoyl-phosphate synthase 1 deficiency - rapid breathing
Cardiac arrhythmias
Cardiac malformation - rapid breathing
Cardiac tamponade - rapid breathing
Cardiogenic shock
Cathinone poisoning - rapid breathing
Cerebral hemorrhage
CFS subtype 1 (cognitive, musculoskeletal, sleep, anxiety/depression) - rapid breathing
CFS subtype 2 ( musculoskeletal, pain, anxiety/depression) - rapid breathing
CFS subtype 3 (mild) - rapid breathing
CFS subtype 4 (cognitive, musculoskeletal, sleep, anxiety/depression) - rapid breathing
CFS subtype 5 (musculoskeletal, gastrointestinal) - rapid breathing
CFS subtype 6 (postexertional) - rapid breathing
CFS subtype 7 (pain, infectious, musculoskeletal, sleep, neurological, gastrointestinal, neurocognitive, anxiety/depression) - rapid breathing
Chemical meningitis - Rapid breathing
Chemical pneumonia - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - 1,2-Dibromoethane - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - acetic acid - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Acetylsalicylic Acid - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Acrolein - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Adiponitrile - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Aldicarb - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Amitraz - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Antifreeze - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Bromates - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Bromophos - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Button batteries - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Carbaryl - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Chlorfenvinphos - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Chlorpyrifos - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Coumaphos - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Cresols - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Cresylic acid - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Demeton-S-methyl - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Diazinon - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Dichlorvos - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Dicrotophos - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Diethylene Glycol - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Diethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Dinitrocresol - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Dinitrophenol - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Dioxathion - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Disulfoton - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Ethion - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Ethylene Glycol - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Fensulfothion - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Fenthion - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Formaldehyde - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Hydroquinone - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Jet Fuel-4 - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Lewisite - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Lysergic Acid Diethylamide - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Malathion - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Methane - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Methidathion - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Methiocarb - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Methomyl - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Mineral-Based Crankcase Oil - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Parathion - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Petroleum Distillates - Naphtha - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Phosdrin - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Profenofos - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Propoxur - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Rotenone - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Sodium Oleate - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Strychnine - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Terbufos - rapid breathing
Chemical poisoning - Tetraethyl Pyrophosphate - rapid breathing
Childhood asthma - rapid breathing
Choanal atresia
Cholesterol pneumonia - rapid breathing
Chronic bronchitis
Chronic pneumonitis of infancy - rapid breathing
Chylothorax
Coarctation of aorta dominant - rapid breathing
Collapsed lung - rapid breathing
Complete atrioventricular canal - rapid breathing
Congenital arteriovenous shunt - rapid breathing
Congenital diaphragmatic hernia - rapid breathing
Congenital herpes simplex - rapid breathing
Conotruncal heart malformations - rapid breathing
Cor Triatriatum - rapid breathing
Croup - rapid breathing
Defibrination syndrome - Tachypnoea
Dehydration - rapid breathing
Dexedrine overdose - rapid breathing
Diabetic Ketoacidosis - rapid breathing
Diaphragmatic hernia, congenital - rapid breathing
Dilaudid withdrawal - increased respiratory rate
Disulfiram toxicity - tachypnea
Double outlet right ventricle - rapid breathing
Drug-induced asthma - rapid breathing
Duodenal atresia tetralogy of Fallot - rapid breathing
Emotional stress related asthma - rapid breathing
Emphysema
Emphysema, congenital lobar - rapid breathing
Encephalitis
Endocardial fibroelastosis - rapid breathing
Eosinophilic asthma - rapid breathing
Ethylene glycol poisoning - tachypnea
Eucalyptus Oil poisoning - rapid breathing
Exercise
Exercise or exertion
Exercise-induced asthma - rapid breathing
Exertion
Extrinsic asthma - rapid breathing
Fallot syndrome - rapid breathing
Fever
Flail chest
Food Additive Adverse reaction - amines - rapid breathing
Food Additive Adverse reaction - food additives - rapid breathing
Food Additive Adverse reaction - MSG - rapid breathing
Food Additive Adverse reaction - salicylate - rapid breathing
Food Additive Adverse reaction - sulfite - rapid breathing
Food allergy related asthma - rapid breathing
Foreign body in lower airway
Francisella tularenis infection - rapid breathing
Generalized pustular psoriasis - rapid breathing
Gonionemus poisoning - rapid breathing
Head injury
Heart attack
Heart disease
Heatstroke - rapid breathing
Hemorrhage
Hepatic failure
Herbal Agent adverse reaction - Margosa oil - rapid breathing
Herbal Agent adverse reaction - Polygonum multiflorum - rapid breathing
Herbal Agent overdose - Sabah vegetable - rapid breathing
Herring poisoning (clupeotoxin) - rapid breathing
High altitude
Holocarboxylase synthetase deficiency - rapid breathing
Hydrocarbon poisoning - tachypnea
Hyperadrenalism - rapid breathing
Hypercapnea
Hyperosmolar hyperglycemic nonketotic syndrome
Hyperventilation - rapid breathing
Hypoplastic Left Heart Syndrome - rapid breathing
Hypovolemia - rapid breathing
Hypovolemic shock
Hypoxia
Iatrogenic pneumothorax - Tachypnoea
Idiopathic diffuse interstitial fibrosis - rapid breathing
Inborn amino acid metabolism disorder - rapid breathing
Infant asthma - rapid breathing
Interstitial fibrosis
Intrinsic asthma - rapid breathing
Isoniazid toxicity - tachypnoea
Isthmus coarctation - rapid breathing
Kyphoscoliosis
Lactic acidosis congenital infantile - rapid breathing
Large tongue
Laryngeal papillomatosis - rapid breathing
Laryngomalacia
Laryngospasm
Levotransposition of the great arteries - rapid breathing
Lung abscess
Lung disorders
Lupus - rapid breathing
Lymphangiectasia
Malignant mesothelioma
Mayapple poisoning - rapid breathing
Meconium aspiration syndrome - tachypnea
Mediastinal endodermal sinus tumors - tachypnea
Melioidosis - rapid breathing
Mendelson syndrome - rapid breathing
Meningitis
Meningococcal infection - rapid breathing
Mescal poisoning - rapid breathing
Metabolic acidosis
Methamphetamine overdose - rapid breathing
Methanol poisoning - tachypnea
Methionine malabsorption syndrome - rapid breathing
Mexican tea poisoning - rapid breathing
Mitral atresia - rapid breathing
Mixed asthma - rapid breathing
Mixed granulocytic asthma - rapid breathing
Morphine withdrawal - increased respiratory rate
Musculoskeletal chronic fatigue syndrome - rapid breathing
Myocardial infarction
Neonatal Respiratory Distress Syndrome - very rapid breathing (tachypnea)
Nervous system disorders
Neurogenic shock
Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome - rapid breathing
Neurological disorders
Neutrophilic asthma - rapid breathing
Non-allergic asthma - rapid breathing
Non-atopic asthma - rapid breathing
Obesity associated asthma - rapid breathing
Occupational asthma - rapid breathing
Panic attack - rapid breathing
Panic disorder
Paucigranulocytic asthma - rapid breathing
Pericarditis - rapid breathing
Peritonitis - rapid breathing
Pheochromocytoma - rapid breathing
Pheochromocytoma as part of Neurofibromatosis - rapid breathing
Pleurisy - rapid breathing
Pneumococcal pneumonia - Rapid breathing
Pneumocystic carinii pneumonia - tachypnea
Pneumocystosis - rapid breathing
Pneumocytosis - Tachypnoea
Pneumonectomy
Pneumonia - increased respiratory rate
Pneumonia caused by serotype O11 Pseudomonas Aeruginosa - rapid breathing
Pneumonia, Bacterial - rapid breathing
Pneumonia, Staphylococcal - rapid breathing
Pneumonic plague - rapid breathing
Pneumothorax
Poisoning - Tachypnoea
Poor physical condition
Postoperative pulmonary embolism - Tachypnea
Postoperative respiratory failure - Tachypnoea
Postoperative septicaemia - Tachypnoea
Postpartum haemorrhage - Tachypnoea
Pulmonary atresia - intact ventricular septum - rapid breathing
Pulmonary branches stenosis - rapid breathing
Pulmonary cystic lymphangiectasis - rapid breathing
Pulmonary edema - rapid breathing
Pulmonary embolism - Tachypnea
Pulmonary fibrosis
Pulmonary heart disease - Tachypnoea
Pulmonary hypertension
Pulmonary lymphangiectasia, congenital - rapid breathing
Pulmonary veins stenosis - rapid breathing
Pulmonary venous return anomaly - rapid breathing
Renal failure
Respiratory conditions - Tachypnoea
Respiratory distress syndrome, infant - rapid breathing
Respiratory failure - Tachypnoea
Respiratory infections - Tachypnoea
Respiratory Insufficiency - rapid breathing
Respiratory system cancer - Tachypnoea
Rostan asthma - rapid breathing
Salicylate overdose
Salicylate-sensitive asthma - rapid breathing
Sardine poisoning (clupeotoxin) - rapid breathing
Seasonal asthma - rapid breathing
Secondary pulmonary hypertension - rapid breathing
Sedative dependence - Tachypnoea
See also causes of shallow breathing or breathing difficulty
Septic shock
Septicemia - increased respiratory rate
Severe, refractory asthma - rapid breathing
Sexual aversion disorder - not a common cause of rapid breathing.
Shock - rapid breathing
Shock, Cardiogenic - rapid breathing
Shock, Distributive - rapid breathing
Shock, Endocrine - rapid breathing
Shock, Hemorrhagic - rapid breathing
Shock, Hypovolaemic - rapid breathing
Shock, Neurogenic - rapid breathing
Shock, Obstructive - rapid breathing
Shock, Septic - rapid breathing
Shock, Traumatic - rapid breathing
Silent asthma - rapid breathing
Silicosiderosis - rapid breathing
Silicosis - rapid breathing
Silo unloader syndrome - rapid breathing
Slickhead poisoning (clupeotoxin) - rapid breathing
Small jaw
Steroid-dependant asthma - rapid breathing
Steroid-resistant asthma - rapid breathing
Steroid-resistant asthma, type I - rapid breathing
Steroid-resistant asthma, type II - rapid breathing
Steroid-sensitive asthma - rapid breathing
Stress
Stridor - Tachypnoea
Subglottic narrowing
Subglottic web
Subpulmonary stenosis - rapid breathing
Suffocation - Tachypnoea
Surfactant Metabolism Dysfunction - rapid breathing
Surfactant Metabolism Dysfunction, Pulmonary, 1 - rapid breathing
Surfactant Metabolism Dysfunction, Pulmonary, 2 - rapid breathing
Surfactant Metabolism Dysfunction, Pulmonary, 3 - rapid breathing
Syncope - rapid breathing
Tarpon poisoning (clupeotoxin) - rapid breathing
Tobacco smoke associated asthma - rapid breathing
Transposition of great arteries - rapid breathing
Trauma
Truncus Arteriosus - rapid breathing
Tubatoxin poisoning - rapid breathing
Tuberculosis
Vancomycin resistant enterococcal bacteremia - Tachypnoea
Vascular malposition - Tachypnoea
Vein of Galen aneurysm - Tachypnea
Ventricular septal defect - Tachypnoea
Ventriculo-arterial discordance, isolated - Tachypnoea
Very Long Chain Acyl CoA Dehydrogenase Deficiency - adult-onset - rapid breathing
Very Long Chain Acyl CoA Dehydrogenase Deficiency - Early onset - rapid breathing
Very Long Chain Acyl CoA Dehydrogenase Deficiency - intermediate - rapid breathing
Very-Long-Chain Acyl-CoA Dehydrogenase Deficiency - rapid breathing
Virus-induced asthma - rapid breathing
VLCAD deficiency - Tachypnea
Volume depletion - Tachypnea
Weinstein Kliman Scully syndrome - Tachypnea
Wheezing - Tachypnea
White Chameleon poisoning - rapid breathing
Wiskott-Aldrich Syndrome - Tachypnea

and are lying on the ground practicing "Buteyko breathing".

Muffy

BTW, that Buteyko breathing site goes to great lengths to show increased minute ventilation in a variety of medical conditions, including diabetes, hypercapnia, and heart failure, situations where the oxyhemoglobin curve shifts to the right, so the Bohr Effect as "the Buteyko people" would lead you to believe does not apply-- another one of their major syllogisms ("all hyperventilation results in a left shift", added to "all people hyperventilate", and ending with "all people will benefit from Buteyko breathing").

Muffy

Go to the website wwwdotlearnbuteykodotorg. Most buteyko practitioners in the west are only qualified to treat mild conditions, and few have direct lineage to professor buteyko. The full Buteyko method is very intense - often involving extended breath holds, which many practioners in the west do not use. This intensity of practice is needed in order to retrain the respiratory centre which controls the breathing reflex. This then raises the Co2 level in the lungs dramatically and therefore (due to the Bohr law) oxygen is released from the hemaglobin in the blood and into the body tissues. All the body systems start to heal themselves of chronic conditions. This is usually experienced as cleansing reactions which can sometimes be very unpleasant but are needed in order for the body to rid itself of the poisons and dieases the body couldn't discharge whilst hyperventilating and losing lung Co2 and therefore in a state low tissue oxygenation. Classical Buteyko routinely reverses diseases as diverse as diabetes, emphesema, ME, IBS, anxiety, depression, sleep apnea, immune disorders, ezcema, hormonal problems and approximatley 200 chronic dieases. Overbreathing, and a consequent low CO2 level in the lungs was found to be the common factor in all people with chronic disease. Doctors all know what heart rate and blood pressure needs to be to be healthy but breath is the one thing that gets passed by. Optimal breathing is 3-4 litres per minute and that can even be found in medical textbooks but it is passed by as a factor in disease. The Buteyko method restores healthy level of ventilation through retraining the respiratory centre in the brain so eventually healthy, imperceptible breathing becomes automatic and chronic disease and the suffering it brings with it dissapears. A person with ideal breathing should be able to hold their breath for over 50 seconds with no physical urge to breath atall, and over 2 minutes if they push themselves. Anything less than this means you could benefit from buteyko as you are chronically hyperventilating. The average is now 17 seconds in london and a bit higher in rural areas. This is why we are seeing an epidemic of diseases such as asthma, diabetes, hyperactive children etc. wwwdotlearnbuteykodotcodotuk has details of free talks and courses. I personally reversed severe anxiety, Chronic fatigue and ibs and my life has opened up.