Eating the Low-Carb Way: your place to share

sagesteve wrote:The diet soda is optional, as are other things here. I'm diabetic too...those fruit days don't hurt. 30 to 40 points up at most. So 102 isn't that bad. You learn by doing on this diet. You discover that you lose weight super fast and you ask yourself WHY? You figure it out. $40 bucks...not much to gain for this kind of knowledge and lose the weight that people WANT to lose. You THINK the fruit is a weight gainer? NOT! Every single day you lose a pound or more...it's amazing.

I also checked out the website and although it seems to be a bit of a cheesy sales pitch I'm tempted to try the diet out for two reasons:

1) it's supposed to address the lack of energy problem which i discovered while doing plain low carb and trying to do a good amount of exercise.
2) it plans the meals for you once you select the foods, this gives me a grocery list and makes sure i eat from all the appropriate food groups. With any diet i have a track record at being very poor at menu planning.

I have only one concern, I want to reduce weight but i'm also trying to reduce my high cholesterol. Without access to the whole thing without paying i'm not sure if it will be a good idea or not?

Carbonman, thanks. I said at the very beginning of the other thread I started on this topic that this is an emotional area of life for me. I know that people look at me and assume I am sedentary with poor eating habits, hence I get suggestions like "try to introduce a bit of exercise into your schedule...you can start with 15-minute walks." Hello, I just did a full set of weights earlier today with truly magnificent amounts.

What I see here is a series of modified or low carb diets that run the gamut from slightly reduced carb to very low carb.

Carbonman, I am going to guess by the weight figures, and the kind of foods you were/are eating, thay your body is a 'carbohydrate type'. I am going to guess you are of a fairly light build. For you, the lower fat diet you are following is appropriate. A low carb diet is not as appropriate because your body needs carbs (the complex variety) more than most. Although there are atheletes who perform very well on a low carb diet, 'carb type' people have a greater tendency to be atheletes.

The 11 day diets are somewhere in the middle. They are a restricted carb diet that might be a good choice for most people. This could also be a possible maintenance diet for a person who is not a real strong 'protein type'.

Uncle Bob, the fact that you did well on a low carb diet for as long as you did indicates to me, you are an 'average' body type, with a leaning towards a protein-based metabolism. It sounds like a reasonably balanced diet is keeping your weight off, and that would be expected for someone in the middle.

Kiralynx, I like the diet you suggested. It is a very low carb diet, but allows some interesting carbs. Would be a good maintenance diet for a 'protein type', which I think describes both you and me.

I do really well on a really low carb diet--- almost all meat. I have not had any real energy problems on this diet, which reinforces my belief that I am a strong 'protein type'. The food choices for these people would also be good for a cat-- meat (including red meat), 'guts' (liver, etc.), avoid most all carbs.

You know, for a while I made all my cats' food - grinding up meat and bones, adding chicken hearts and livers, etc. I realize NOW that I stopped doing it because of my OSA - at the time it just seemed like another chore that wasn't necessary. Hmmmm. Your post has me thinking about that again, timbalion...

Eating low carb is the easiest most effective thing I have ever done. My doctor does monitor it, and follows it. I have adrenal issues and a low carb diet is the best way to treat it. In the meantime, I have lost about 65 lbs over the last two years. My total cholesterol is usually in the 110's.

My diet has been a mix between low carbs and kosher (even thought I do eat some breakfast pork) I had a doc tell me that pork causes acid reflux...within about 2 weeks of no more pork after breakfast and the prevacid was gone!

Anyways:

Meat and eggs (pork only for breakfast)
Fish (Tuna and Salmon) NO SCAVENGER FISH (catfish, shrimp, lobster)
Anything green unless it is fleshy like pees.
1-2 servings of a high fiber low carb bread a day(I like ezekiel 4:9 bread)
anything that ends in a berry (blueberries are the best)
nuts (pecans, walnuts, almonds)
yogurt (greek kind has the least carbs and someone makes a carbsmart kind)
2-4 oz's of some kind of a dark chocolate as a daily treat(m&m's)
half and half or whipping cream for dairy
cheese and butter (margarine or anything hydrogenated bad)

I got two weeks at a time with my carbs below 30 a day. Dont skip on the fat, eating lean seems to ruin it. Use Lard and Coconut oil for oils.

Then for like 3-4 weeks, I keep my carbs under 100 a day. To maintain the weight I lost.

But it appears now that I have CPAP, that maybe more effective longer!

Oh and 1 quart of water a day per 50 lbs of body weight......

DreamStalker wrote:

sagesteve wrote:The diet soda is optional, as are other things here. I'm diabetic too...those fruit days don't hurt. 30 to 40 points up at most. So 102 isn't that bad. You learn by doing on this diet. You discover that you lose weight super fast and you ask yourself WHY? You figure it out. $40 bucks...not much to gain for this kind of knowledge and lose the weight that people WANT to lose. You THINK the fruit is a weight gainer? NOT! Every single day you lose a pound or more...it's amazing.

Fruit, is it really that magical?

You are fooling yourself using that glucose meter for fruit. It raises insulin w/o raising glucose leading to insulin resistance.

Also, low-carb knowledge can be had for free ... unless you just feel compelled to pay for it. However, if anyone does have an unbearable urge to pay someone, PM for donation instructions.

The idiot diet is for FAT loss. There is very little water weight loss. It burns FAT. It does this with the 11 day diet because it "tricks" the body into the fat burning mode. One day sets up the next etc. SUGAR is not the enemy to diabetes as MOST are under this false impression. Body FAT creates insulin resistance...not sugar. These are the absolute poisons to diabetics: Processed white flour, potatoes (russet any white), pasta (flour base) and any "bad" fat. I write a book on how to get completely off your diabetic medication and handle it naturally and be drug free. Insulin shots are KILLING people with diabetes 2 slowly but surely. Glipizide, Metformin etc is burning up your pancreas and destroying your liver. I could go on. No, I won't sell it here. But I did write the book on how to handle Diabetes 2. I've done it all...was even running as high as 400mg/dl.
Now it runs as low as 66 and maintain. 90% of the people cannot do my book that buy it. It is EXTREMELY hard. But if you want to be "diabetes free"? It will do it. Go ahead and just try the diets that I've listed. It isn't hard.

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sagesteve wrote:...30 to 40 points up at most...

YIKES! That's waaay too large an increase according to my legally-blind (from retinopathy) diabetic friend's docs as well as the docs of my other diabetic friend, the one who just had a kidney transplant. 25 pts at most for an entire meal with <15 being ideal.

Muse-Inc wrote:

sagesteve wrote:...30 to 40 points up at most...

YIKES! That's waaay too large an increase according to my legally-blind from retinopathy diabetic friend's docs say and so do the docs of my other diabetic friend, the one who just had a kidney transplant. 25 pts at most for an entire meal with <15 being ideal.

When a non-diabetic eats a meal...they go as high as 160 to 180 from a normal 90-100. MOST people without diabetes run 102 on average. A 30 to 40 point spike from norm is NOT high! It's spikes of 100+ that do harm...much like a roto-rooter in your blood vessels. If you are running 300 and you spkie 30 to 40? Not so good. These numbers are high because of the American diet as of now. 15? Good luck!

sagesteve wrote:...

Steve, I've been reading about diabetes since my friend lost her ability to read printed materials (at least 10 yrs now). Cellular damage starts at blood glucose readings of >140, multiple studies confirm this. Retinopathy damage is accelerated at 150. A short period of time (like minutes) likely won't cause too much glycation (protein-sugar clumping) but any significant period of time with hyperglycemia will cause cellular damage. Out of curiousity, my friend and I tested my mom who has gluconormal control at several lower-carb meals we all shared, where she would start in the mid-90s, diabetic would be in the 120s, then 2 hrs PostPrandial, mom would be 100-105 and diabetic would be 145-160, a rise of 5-10 compared to 25-40. I've never read a single study that shows 2 hr rises that high in gluconormal folks -- maybe the syrup they use for a GTT but not a lower carb meal.

EDIT: Just did another experiment as mom wanted to see if her glucose control is failing: 101 at dinner of 1 egg, 3 slices bacon, 1/2 oz slice of cheese, 2 pieces of white bread, mayo, hot cocoa (I DIDN'T EAT THIS ), 2 hrs PP her glucose was 105...diabetic friend sighed in frustration. She & I had scrambled eggs, cheese, sausage, tomato slices. Diabetic laughs as I post this and says she hates my mom .

Muse-Inc wrote:

sagesteve wrote:...

Steve, I've been reading about diabetes since my friend lost her ability to read printed materials (at least 10 yrs now). Cellular damage starts at blood glucose readings of >140, multiple studies confirm this. Retinopathy damage is accelerated at 150. A short period of time (like minutes) likely won't cause too much glycation (protein-sugar clumping) but any significant period of time with hyperglycemia will cause cellular damage. Out of curiousity, my friend and I tested my mom who has gluconormal control at several lower-carb meals we all shared, where she would start in the mid-90s, diabetic would be in the 120s, then 2 hrs PostPrandial, mom would be 100-105 and diabetic would be 145-160, a rise of 5-10 compared to 25-40. I've never read a single study that shows 2 hr rises that high in gluconormal folks -- maybe the syrup they use for a GTT but not a lower carb meal.

EDIT: Just did another experiment as mom wanted to see if her glucose control is failing: 101 at dinner of 1 egg, 3 slices bacon, 1/2 oz slice of cheese, 2 pieces of white bread, mayo, hot cocoa (I DIDN'T EAT THIS ), 2 hrs PP her glucose was 105...diabetic friend sighed in frustration. She & I had scrambled eggs, cheese, sausage, tomato slices. Diabetic laughs as I post this and says she hates my mom .

Yes, at 140 it "starts" but very little. A1C is 6.1 at this level. 170 is beginning damage, A1c at 7% but still just OK. The real damage starts at 8% A1C or 205mg/dl. The American diet is what's spiking these numbers but normal people process this very quickly. Don't let these low "optimum" numbers by these doctors fool you. Doctors know very little about Diabetes. They prescribe medication to the lazy and hope for the best. I've done it all and came out the other end on my own...basically diabetes free. TONS of research and trial and error. The Retinopathy damage you are talking about can be controlled with Benfotiamine and glucose control. Yes, that upper diet you are showing would not spike much in a non-diabetic person. Go to a McDonalds order a total meal and the normal person spikes, like I said, to 160 -180 and then pulls back very quickly. ( they also eat at home this way...big portions and the wrong food). Portions are important. Americans on average eat waaaaay too much at a sitting. This is another reason for the "overloads". Why do you think there are so many "pre-diabetes" people here in America! As you age...it really brings it on if you keep it up. We're talking "average" here.

Just a caveat. Low or reduced carbs diets and higher protein can cause problems for some people depending on your blood type. I know a few people who have type A or B blood types and they tried both the Atkins and South Beach Diet. The got really sick very very fast. One of them even became hospitalized. These low carb diets such as the one's previously mentioned and the Bernstein Diet can be detrmimental to one's health.

As always, reducing portions, reducing fatty foods, AND most importantly getting at least 30 minutes of aerobic exercise a day is what everyone needs to do. Buy yourself a heart rate chest strap monitor and ensure your heart rate is within 60-80% of your maximum. Many people who have OSA are morbidly obese or overweight and consequently do very little or nothing to change their habits and lose weight because their CPAP treatment is working well, thereby giving them a false sense of security. I know a "few" of them post here.

timbalionguy wrote:Kiralynx, I like the diet you suggested. It is a very low carb diet, but allows some interesting carbs. Would be a good maintenance diet for a 'protein type', which I think describes both you and me.

Actually the SCD can be low, medium, or high carb, depending on your choices of vegetables, how much fruit you chose to eat, etc. I eat very little fruit or honey because more than a little triggers my gut issues. OTOH, I know people who eat lots of fruits.

I'm in need of both protein and fat -- without them, I'll be absolutely ravenous. But I do make sure I get some carbs, because without the balance, I'll be hungry again shortly.

Balance over time.... essential.

Diet Risks wrote:Just a caveat. Low or reduced carbs diets and higher protein can cause problems for some people depending on your blood type. I know a few people who have type A or B blood types and they tried both the Atkins and South Beach Diet. The got really sick very very fast. One of them even became hospitalized. These low carb diets such as the one's previously mentioned and the Bernstein Diet can be detrmimental to one's health.

As always, reducing portions, reducing fatty foods, AND most importantly getting at least 30 minutes of aerobic exercise a day is what everyone needs to do. Buy yourself a heart rate chest strap monitor and ensure your heart rate is within 60-80% of your maximum. Many people who have OSA are morbidly obese or overweight and consequently do very little or nothing to change their habits and lose weight because their CPAP treatment is working well, thereby giving them a false sense of security. I know a "few" of them post here.

I have Type A blood. If I ate the TYpe A diet, I would be sicker than the proverbial dog.

And no, exercise and cutting calories does NOT always work.

sagesteve wrote:

DreamStalker wrote:

sagesteve wrote:The diet soda is optional, as are other things here. I'm diabetic too...those fruit days don't hurt. 30 to 40 points up at most. So 102 isn't that bad. You learn by doing on this diet. You discover that you lose weight super fast and you ask yourself WHY? You figure it out. $40 bucks...not much to gain for this kind of knowledge and lose the weight that people WANT to lose. You THINK the fruit is a weight gainer? NOT! Every single day you lose a pound or more...it's amazing.

Fruit, is it really that magical?

You are fooling yourself using that glucose meter for fruit. It raises insulin w/o raising glucose leading to insulin resistance.

Also, low-carb knowledge can be had for free ... unless you just feel compelled to pay for it. However, if anyone does have an unbearable urge to pay someone, PM for donation instructions.

The idiot diet is for FAT loss. There is very little water weight loss. It burns FAT. It does this with the 11 day diet because it "tricks" the body into the fat burning mode. One day sets up the next etc. SUGAR is not the enemy to diabetes as MOST are under this false impression. Body FAT creates insulin resistance...not sugar. These are the absolute poisons to diabetics: Processed white flour, potatoes (russet any white), pasta (flour base) and any "bad" fat. I write a book on how to get completely off your diabetic medication and handle it naturally and be drug free. Insulin shots are KILLING people with diabetes 2 slowly but surely. Glipizide, Metformin etc is burning up your pancreas and destroying your liver. I could go on. No, I won't sell it here. But I did write the book on how to handle Diabetes 2. I've done it all...was even running as high as 400mg/dl.
Now it runs as low as 66 and maintain. 90% of the people cannot do my book that buy it. It is EXTREMELY hard. But if you want to be "diabetes free"? It will do it. Go ahead and just try the diets that I've listed. It isn't hard.

Well now I know what the information for your diet is based on ....

SUGAR is not the enemy to diabetes

Uhhh ok ... good luck with that.

Body FAT creates insulin resistance...not sugar.

I think you have it backwards ... insulin resistance causes body fat. Chronic elevated insulin caused by high fructose and glucose intake causes insulin resistance.

So if I understand you correctly, you are selling a book along with your fatloss program? And it is hard but it isn't hard?