Ask Dr. Park About Sleep Apnea

SleepingUgly wrote:

BleepingBeauty wrote:Dr. Park discourages call-ins via cellphone, and my home phone doesn't have a long-distance plan on it. So I'm SOL.

How do you know he discourages calls via cell phone? That was what I was going to use. And by "discourages" do you mean we CAN'T do it? Why would he care what kind of phone we use?!

Dr. Park's recent email said: "I'd recommend calling in a few minutes early. Next, call in using a land line phone as cell phones or hands-free lines usually result in poor sound quality."

In the past when I've been listening to one of these live seminars via the web, he's asked people on cellphones to disengage from the call. So I won't be calling in from my cellphone tonight, and it looks like I won't be attending any teleseminars in the future, either.

His email goes on to say: "This live event is free, but if you want to listen to a recording of this program at a later time, save $7 by pre-ordering here (normally $17 after the event)."

They used to be free to listen to for several days after the live chat.

SleepingUgly wrote:Now I see an email from him that arrived in my junk mail. It says: First, I'd recommend calling in a few minutes early. Next, call in using a land line phone as cell phones or hands-free lines usually result in poor sound quality. And finally, have a pen and paper handy so that you don't miss out any of this important information.

So I'm not sure that you CAN'T call from a cell phone. You could try and see if the sound quality is OK.

I just saw your more recent post, SU. Yes, I could try, but as I said above, he's asked people on cellphones to hang up in the past, so I'll save my dime (so to speak).

Well, you could always wait to read his findings when he publishes them in a peer-reviewed journal.

He is not forcing you to do anything. You can participate in the teleconference or not. You can buy the MP3 download or not.

Dr. Park can give away his work or he can try to charge for it.

I drive by dozens of local businesses every week. All of them advertise and try to entice me to do business with them. Some I do business with, most I do not.

That's free enterprise - it's your individual choice. It's also Dr. Parks' choice on how to run his business. He will get the benefit of good decision making and suffer the consequences of poor decision making.

You can be calmly tolerant of this situation or you can be righteously indignant.

Suit yourself.

For myself, it is simple cost/benefit proposition - no emotions. If the MP3 dowload is worth $17 to me, I will buy it. If it is worth less than $17 to me, I will not buy it. So far I haven't deemed one of the interviews to be worth $17.

I love (Now that is emotional) what the founders of our country set up. Individuals deciding what they will do and not do every day (As long as they don't infringe on the rights of others to do the same.)

OK, enough moralizing Rooster. Go help dearie take down the Christmas decos.

(BTW, There is plenty of excellent "free" reading on Parks' website.)

rooster wrote:He is not forcing you to do anything. You can participate in the teleconference or not. You can buy the MP3 download or not.

Dr. Park can give away his work or he can try to charge for it.

I drive by dozens of local businesses every week. All of them advertise and try to entice me to do business with them. Some I do business with, most I do not.

That's free enterprise - it's your individual choice. It's also Dr. Parks' choice on how to run his business. He will get the benefit of good decision making and suffer the consequences of poor decision making.

You can be calmly tolerant of this situation or you can be righteously indignant.

Suit yourself.

For myself, it is simple cost/benefit proposition - no emotions. If the MP3 dowload is worth $17 to me, I will buy it. If it is worth less than $17 to me, I will not buy it. So far I haven't deemed one of the interviews to be worth $17.

I love (Now that is emotional) what the founders of our country set up. Individuals deciding what they will do and not do every day (As long as they don't infringe on the rights of others to do the same.)

OK, enough moralizing Rooster. Go help dearie take down the Christmas decos.

(BTW, There is plenty of excellent "free" reading on Parks' website.)

Good points, Rooster. Thanks. Well said. I overreact sometimes.

If he were to post saying he will be reading from his book somewhere for free, that would be useful, even though he would still charge for the book. And I wouldn't be offended by his posting the time he would be doing that anywhere. Including here.

I still say it would be good for patients, and good for Dr. Park, if the MP3 recordings of the free teleseminars were also free. But I'll back down on my not-so-righteous indignation.

Thanks again, Rooster.

jeff

rooster wrote:Dr. Park has started charging for downloads after the phone conference. An MP3 audio redording is $17. Here is an example in which Dr. Li is interviewed about MMa procedure - http://doctorstevenpark.com/mmasurgeryli

Thanks, rooster.

$17 ... for a post teleseminar audio download? Yes, he can charge anything he wants. There's no gun to my head, so I'll pass on that.

I had downloaded the interview with Dr. Li back when Dr. Park was not charging for audio downloads of his interviews. The interview with Dr. Li was good.

I think I'll skip the one tonight:
"For this teleseminar, I’ll reveal what I’ve discovered over many years in practice as THE : “7 Habits of Highly Successful Sleep Apnea Patients.”

Have already read his thoughts (good thoughts) regarding:
7 Habits of Highly Successful Sleep Apnea Patients at articlesbase.com
http://www.articlesbase.com/sleep-artic ... 28963.html

I had submitted a question for Dr. Park's teleseminar -- asking what "new machine" he had in mind when he told Gary this about a machine that can measure suspected UARS "events":

GaryG wrote:He did mention there is a new machine out that does measure these events, but didn't mention the model.

I believe SleepingUgly nailed what machine Dr. Park is thinking of:

SleepingUgly wrote:The PR System One REMStar Auto claims to detect, but not treat, RERAs. Not sure what it uses as a proxy for a true RERArousal, as obviously it can't tell if there has been an arousal.

It's a pretty sure bet the machine Dr. Park is thinking about is, indeed, the Philips Respironics System One REMstar Auto, which may (or may not) do accurately all the things its marketing blurbs tout:

http://advancedeventdetection.respironics.com/
"We've built in more device intelligence so that you can make the most informed decisions possible. Our new sleep system addresses advanced sleep assessment parameters including AHI, large leak, flow limitation and RERAs that help you determine appropriate clinical management of obstructive sleep apnea (OSA).

RERAs (Respiratory Effort Related Arousals) are a hallmark of UARS -- brain arousals to open the airway better before the flow limitation can get bad enough (enough restriction of air flow) and long enough (more than ten seconds) to qualify as a hypopnea or apnea.

Of course, that's "qualifying" only by the machine's standards. Not by sleep lab PSG standards, since a PSG sleep study is measuring a lot more -- SpO2 (saturated pulse oxygen) levels with the little clip on the finger, and true respiratory effort with the belts around chest and abdomen -- measuring chest and diaphragm effort movements to see if the person is trying to breathe in. And, most importantly, EEG leads attached to the scalp to definitely identify arousals in the brain.

The System One machine cannot (as far as I know) really identify/measure any of those things -- O2 level, respiratory effort, brain arousals -- things that are taken into consideration when diagnosing UARS via a sleep study. We'll leave the PES out (no pun intended), since most sleep labs don't use that gag inducing little thingy, thank goodness!

More from the Respironics marketing about the System One machine:

Advanced event detection – Patient Flow & Event reports
http://advancedeventdetection.respironi ... ports.aspx

Advanced event detection - Clear airway apneas and periodic breathing
http://advancedeventdetection.respironi ... forms.aspx

rested gal wrote:
I believe SleepingUgly nailed what machine Dr. Park is thinking of:

SleepingUgly wrote:The PR System One REMStar Auto claims to detect, but not treat, RERAs. Not sure what it uses as a proxy for a true RERArousal, as obviously it can't tell if there has been an arousal.

I wonder how the detection function is different from the FLs I see on the Encore software with my M Series?

jnk wrote:

But I'll back down on my not-so-righteous indignation.

Thanks again, Rooster.

jeff

If you are going to be so damn agreeable, I'm not wasting my time here today.

Gone hiking.

Rooster still misses Snoredog.

Happy hiking, Rooster.

I like the long trail at Pilot Mountain.

Did anyone listen to this? I did (on cell phone, but I didn't talk).

Some of what he did was promote his new service:

http://doctorstevenpark.com/sleep-apnea

I think I'll wait for the late-night infomercial before making my final purchase decision...

SleepingUgly wrote:Did anyone listen to this? I did (on cell phone, but I didn't talk).

Some of what he did was promote his new service:

http://doctorstevenpark.com/sleep-apnea

Caveat: My cynicism is showing.

That link saddens me. I really respect Dr. Park as a physician, but the heavy-handed marketing is becoming a serious bummer. He's obviously making a very decent living as a physician. If he really cares about educating and helping the masses, he could do it by keeping his webcasts alive so that anyone could attend (or listen later) and learn. Instead, he's offering a monthly program (for just $59 if you sign up NOW!) to make his "inside" information available to you.

He's certainly entitled to make a living (and a good one, at that). But the altruistic Dr. Park is falling by the wayside in favor of the almighty dollar. Sad.

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I don't think so.

SleepingUgly wrote:Did anyone listen to this? I did (on cell phone, but I didn't talk).

Some of what he did was promote his new service:

http://doctorstevenpark.com/sleep-apnea

Yes, I did, on cell, and I even talked. I like Dr. Park's concepts around being holistic and if anything would like to explore more of that. I was also very impressed with the time he spent and the depth of his answers with some questioners who were having problems and very evidently not in possession of their data. I think I agreed with everything he said, but I had already been exposed to the concepts in his core broadcast. It's the after discussion I was most impressed with. If he were local I might want Dr. Park for my sleep doctor. Seriously--I like him. I am not certain I, who am doing pretty well right now, would get more from the monthly subscrIption than I can search out for myself or find on this forum. I am feeling a bit vulnerable through my DME change and never having a sleep doctor, just you fine folk and a decent PCP.

My call got dropped during the last question/call in. Did he talk much after that?

Scarlet834 wrote:

SleepingUgly wrote:Did anyone listen to this? I did (on cell phone, but I didn't talk).

Some of what he did was promote his new service:

http://doctorstevenpark.com/sleep-apnea

Yes, I did, on cell, and I even talked. I like Dr. Park's concepts around being holistic and if anything would like to explore more of that. I was also very impressed with the time he spent and the depth of his answers with some questioners who were having problems and very evidently not in possession of their data. I think I agreed with everything he said, but I had already been exposed to the concepts in his core broadcast. It's the after discussion I was most impressed with. If he were local I might want Dr. Park for my sleep doctor. Seriously--I like him. I am not certain I, who am doing pretty well right now, would get more from the monthly subscrIption than I can search out for myself or find on this forum. I am feeling a bit vulnerable through my DME change and never having a sleep doctor, just you fine folk and a decent PCP.