Remembering dreams

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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by aroche » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:03 pm

jnk wrote:I wonder how many dream-recall specialists these days agree with these words that Goodenough wrote in the late 70's:

"Dream recall failures should occur unless the sleeper awakens within a matter of seconds after the dream experience occurs. If arousal takes place during the life of the short-term trace then the content of the dream experience which immediately preceded the awakening may be retrievable from the short-term store directly. Given this retrieval as an entry into the long-term store, the dreamer may then be able to recall some of the preceding content of that dream experience. If the awakening is delayed until the short-term trace has expired, then retrieval may no longer be possible, or it may be much more difficult."
jnk: I would agree with that quote. I find that, since starting therapy, I do recall more of my dreams much like I did prior to the onset of OSA. However, I also find that it is not always that I do recall my dreams. When I do recall them I have to talk about them or write them down quickly or the memory of them will fade within a few hours, thus indicating that the dream is stored in the short-term memory and does not seem to pass into the long-term storage without some form of recall and "recycle" of the dream, such as writing it down or talking it out.

I do know that I could usually recall dreams for as back as I can remember, except once the OSA started. Towards the end of my pre-diagnoses days I found that I could not recall memories at all, and found that I was terrified of sleeping at all for what was, at the time, some unknown reason.

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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by Georgio » Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:07 am

I remembered 2 dreams vividly from the other night. Is the general consensus today this is a good or bad thing, with respect to completing sleep cycles? Usually I don't remember dreams, however while camping this weekend, I dreamed there were two cows sleeping with me. One I was using for a pillow, and the other's head was by my feet and would nip at my feet when I rolled over too close to it!

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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by DreamOn » Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:25 pm

Georgio wrote:I dreamed there were two cows sleeping with me. One I was using for a pillow, and the other's head was by my feet and would nip at my feet when I rolled over too close to it!


I had a very vivid, strange dream last night that had a bizarre "fun house" feel to it. I was walking up this steep, winding path which lead to an elevator that took me to my companion's front door. It was almost dark and there were colored lights and all kinds of inanimate objects (mostly toys) moving along the path. There were lots of sounds too. I do feel a bit more creative than usual today. I had recalled very few dreams for many years (wasn't getting much REM sleep), so this is still a very novel experience for me.
Is the general consensus today this is a good or bad thing, with respect to completing sleep cycles?
My understanding is that it is not considered particularly desirable that one remembers dreams during the night because the recollection indicates that you were aroused from sleep. Dream memories don't normally "set" unless you wake up right afterwards. Dreams most often occur during REM sleep, but not always. We often do have dreams right before waking up in the morning (via alarm clock or just "time to get up"), though, so we would tend to remember those more often.

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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by -SWS » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:04 pm

Georgio wrote: Usually I don't remember dreams, however while camping this weekend, I dreamed there were two cows sleeping with me. One I was using for a pillow, and the other's head was by my feet and would nip at my feet when I rolled over too close to it!

Might we acknowledge the teeeeeny weeny possibility that two cows meandered into your tent but decided to leave well before sunrise?

Good luck with all future dreams and surreal bovine experiences!

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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by DreamOn » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:53 pm

-SWS wrote:Might we acknowledge the teeeeeny weeny possibility that two cows meandered into your tent but decided to leave well before sunrise?
ROTFL!

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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by jnk » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:58 pm

This board has it all--from the utterly ridiculous to the truly mooving.

In fact, if there was a way that we could beef up the marketing, my dream is that this place could become a real cash cow. Or two.

But maybe now I'm just milking it.

(Please note that the above may be overly campy, since it has not been edited for cowtent.)

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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by DreamOn » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:20 pm

jnk wrote:This board has it all--from the utterly ridiculous to the truly mooving.

In fact, if there was a way that we could beef up the marketing, my dream is that this place could become a real cash cow. Or two.

But maybe now I'm just milking it.

(Please note that the above may be overly campy, since it has not been edited for cowtent.)

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Wow, Jeff. You really outdid yourself on that one. Your post is udderly ridiculous and absolutely hilarious!

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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by jnk » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:35 pm

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"Well, we think Georgio is just DREAMY!!!

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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by snnnark » Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:10 pm

To snore is humane
To dream, bovine!

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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by DreamOn » Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:41 pm

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Re: Remembering dreams

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Anyone who can milk puns from a cow is simply...
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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by grandmma » Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:53 pm

jnk wrote:"Well, we think Georgio is just DREAMY!!!


Jeff, just LOVE that pic!
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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by echo » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:57 am

jnk wrote:I do, however, believe that if an increase in dream recall was recognized as being a clinically useful indicator of successful PAP therapy, that would have been duly noted and universally touted in the literature.
Not if they're not looking for it. I think we'd be amazed at how much stuff isn't noticed during clinical studies just because they don't measure it or ask about it because of bias (or they don't measure it correctly, they assume the wrong correlations, etc...).
jnk wrote:My understanding is that all the doc wants to see is that you get enough REM; he has no reason to care whether you remember anything about it later.
And my assumption is that even if they did see some sort of correlation with dreaming and CPAP, it's much harder to quantify 'remembering dreams' than it is to measure REM sleep, not to mention that the former involves many more pathways making it a more indirect marker of sleep quality (?).

For some more anecdotal "evidence": my dreams before CPAP were mostly those annoying dreams where you're running to get away from something or go towards something and your feet don't work (I had another variation where I was trying to row in a rowboat and the more I tried to work the oars the further away I got). Though I did have some nice flying ones. Post-CPAP, my dreams (the ones I remember obviously) have gotten more complicated, with changes in locations/scenes/characters and some sort of story line, and they are more vivid. I remember colors and textures better, whereas before my dreams were mostly at night (IN the dream itself I mean!) or in black/brown & white/yellow.
jnk wrote:I KNOW I must be wrong about it all, myself, though, because I am always most opinionated concerning the things about which I know the least.

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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by jnk » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:32 am

echo wrote: . . . For some more anecdotal "evidence" . . .
I think it is a very interesting subject and enjoy reading people's experiences with their dreams. I have no doubt that sleep patterns often change from CPAP, since that is, after all, part of the point of it all. ANY change that happens at the time of the initiation of CPAP use at least proves that SOMETHING is happening, and it is fine, I guess, to assume it is something good if there is no proof otherwise.

My only real (minor) concern is that when someone posts "I now KNOW my therapy is working well because now my dreams [ . . . fill in the blank]," others will read that and think, 'Oh NO! I haven't experienced that, so my therapy must NOT be working!!' So my point, which may bear repeating, is that, interesting as changes in dream recall are, they are not widely considered an indication of good/bad therapy. Remembering dreams (or not remembering dreams) is not the point; getting good sleep and breathing well is.

And that is why my personal philosophy remains as follows:

When I wake up remembering a dream, I am grad I dreamt. When I wake up not remembering any dreams, I am glad my sleep was uninterupted. But mostly I am just glad to wake up, either way, and to have the chance to sleep and dream again.

I hope those ruminataions don't brand me a thread rustler.

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Re: Remembering dreams

Post by srwesely » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:32 am

I'm remembering alot of dreams also...the thing I remember most often is that alot of my dreams seem to take place at the ocean (I'm guessing from the noise the machine makes, because I live smack in the middle of the country...no oceans for miles in any direction)

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