Opponents of universal health care in the US

Autopapdude · Post by **Autopapdude** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:06 pm

Well, now you're just embarrassing yourself. And you failed to address any of the points I offered. Do you honestly believe TJ and the others claimed Independence because the King refused them healthcare? lol

And, no, healthcare has yet to "provide life". Preserve, maybe...but not provide.

A Liberal Moron wrote:
This is incoherent nonsense.

Maybe I should type slower for the "less fortunate". Or were you referring to your post?

OK, you win. Simplistically, it's just about money. If money weren't involved, there'd be no issue. Absolutely. Now run along, the grownups are talking...

(Good luck with your plan for "universally healthy" Americans" )

This is so Junior High School, I don't even know how to answer it, except to point out that he condemns name-calling, and then proceeds to do same. UGGGH! What a gross human being Hard to believe he's a "quality control engineer" as he states. Sounds more like a 15 year old, pretending to have all the answers, and name calls when you don't say or do things his way.

LinkC · Post by **LinkC** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:25 pm

It seems to be all you understand.

You've yet to answer any of my questions or defend any of your ridiculous statements (except with more of the same)

When you are ready to logically defend your "healthcare is a right" declaration, go for it.

(And where did I "condemn namecalling"???) <--- Yet another question that will go unanswered, no doubt!

WearyOne · Post by **WearyOne** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:34 pm

Autopapdude wrote:
Well, now you're just embarrassing yourself. And you failed to address any of the points I offered. Do you honestly believe TJ and the others claimed Independence because the King refused them healthcare? lol

And, no, healthcare has yet to "provide life". Preserve, maybe...but not provide.

A Liberal Moron wrote:
This is incoherent nonsense.

Maybe I should type slower for the "less fortunate". Or were you referring to your post?

OK, you win. Simplistically, it's just about money. If money weren't involved, there'd be no issue. Absolutely. Now run along, the grownups are talking...

(Good luck with your plan for "universally healthy" Americans" )
This is so Junior High School, I don't even know how to answer it, except to point out that he condemns name-calling, and then proceeds to do same. UGGGH! What a gross human being Hard to believe he's a "quality control engineer" as he states. Sounds more like a 15 year old, pretending to have all the answers, and name calls when you don't say or do things his way.

Autopapdude, I know you guys are trading barbs back and forth, but come on, a "gross human being"!?!? Unbelievably uncalled for comment. IMO, calling someone a moron isn't all that great, but a "gross human being"? There are so many other things you could have said to keep the "comments" flying with him, if you felt the need to, but this is way over the top.

-SWS · Post by **-SWS** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:50 pm

-SWS wrote: So, non-Americans with national healthcare, are there ANY of you out there who honestly long for the current American healthcare system? Or are there ANY of you out there who honestly think your economic infrastructure and/or social morality have gone to hell because of your national healthcare?

cflame1 wrote:From me, I'd have to say no SWS. The system up there in the two provinces that I lived in (which includes the one that my family is still in) works a whole pile better than the states that I've lived in while I've been in the US.

Froro wrote:SWS. I haven't lived anywhere but Canada and England so I can't comment based on actual usage of the US system other than reports from my parents who are snowbirds. I only used the British system for a brief period when I was pregnant with my firstborn and more than satisfied with the care I received.

But no. I would not trade our system for a profit based system. I don't know anyone personally who would and I'm immersed in the corporate conservative evil banking world. Given the economic status of that particular world, if anyone can afford to go to the States they can, and they don't. There are always ways to improve the efficiency and delivery of our health care without compromising patient care and I see more Canadians looking at ways to do that vs wanting to implement an official two tier system. There will always be a vocal statistical anomoly to the overall satisfaction/service levels but you have that with any big issue. I may have my concerns over a portion of the care I got last week involving my surgery...I was pleased with the overall care I received. Do I think it could be improved? Yes...hence why I wrote the letter.

We already effectively have a two tier system anyway. If you don't want to wait for non-urgent procedure or test go to the States. I don't know anyone personally who has ever had an emergency or urgent situation be forced to wait for anything. Longest wait I've ever had for MRI has been 4 days (non urgent), shortest wait, 1/2 hour.

Even with some of the third hand reports I've seen about the rising costs of Canadians seeking treatment in the US etc our annual government spending per capita on health care is still significantly lower than that of the US.

It boils down to a fundamental difference in overall culture, and while we are geographically close to each other as a society we each hold different values. One is not necessarily wrong and the other right, they are just different. We don't have to understand or even agree on the fundamental sociatal cultural thinking, I can respect it.

I thank you for your very kind and generous candor, cflame1 and Froro!

What you wrote was consoling... It seems my colorful friend, Rooster, was genuinely worried about you.

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:19 pm

Maybe we should all move to Canada.......

Or......hire them to run our healthcare system.

Den

Froro · Post by **Froro** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:24 pm

Wulfman wrote:Maybe we should all move to Canada.......

Or......hire them to run our healthcare system.

Den

Well, we are starting to take over your banks, so why not

cinco777 · Post by **cinco777** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:52 pm

Nine Canadians out of ten support the principle of Universal Health Care with a single insurer - the Government.

A detailed analysis of the results for this recent Poll of 1,005 Canadians (October 10 - 18, 2009) is provided for the four questions asked of each respondent:

1) What do you think is the key strength of the Canadian Health Care System?
2) What do you think is the key weakness of the Canadian Health Care System?
3) Thinking of the Canadian Health Care System do you support, somewhat support, somewhat oppose, or oppose Universal Health Care?
4) Do you think that President Barack Obama is on the right track or the wrong track when it comes to making changes to the Health Care System in the United States?

If you are interested, as I was, in the responses to these questions, check out the following link:

http://medicare.ca/wp-content/uploads/2 ... s-poll.pdf

-SWS · Post by **-SWS** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:57 am

Wulfman wrote:Maybe we should all move to Canada.......

Truth be told the thought had briefly crossed my mind... Then I remembered my trigeminal neuralgia condition that becomes exacerbated every year in the cold weather.

Wulfman wrote: Or......hire them to run our healthcare system.

That won't work either... That approach is sadly going to cause too much cultural shock: the Canadian system doesn't entail anywhere near the same degree of economic corruption in healthcare that countless millions of uninsured, underinsured, and unfairly "claim denied" Americans have become so very well accustomed to...

So accustomed that some of us staunchly defend it... while selflessly worrying about the Canadians!

WillSucceed · Post by **WillSucceed** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:21 pm

Ahhhhhh, SWS:

It's that wonderful US "selfless worry" that warms the Canadian heart. Thanks!

-SWS · Post by **-SWS** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:45 pm

Why, of course we're going to send plenty of heartwarming gestures your way! It gets so darn cold every winter up yonder on your part of the continent!

In the meantime, below is but one American's first-hand perspective of Australian national healthcare. Bear in mind Blarg's father was and still is an ER doctor in the United States:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45660&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p409220

kteague · Post by **kteague** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:38 pm

A study of this country's living history indicates that it's early written ideals were never intended to be for all the peoples of the land. As a country, equal access to any of its benefits is a relatively modern notion.

Kathy
Yeah, I said that.

-SWS · Post by **-SWS** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:12 pm

True words, Kathy... Quite a species when you think about it.

I'm glad you said it.

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