UPDATE: Respironics FullLife Mask - Release on July 20

rooster wrote:Do you guys have high hopes that this mask will deliver revolutionary different therapy? If so, what about its appearance or description causes you to have these hopes?

Or ....

do you just like to be the first to report on a new mask?

For me, the primary interest is the lack of the forehead piece. Not just for the clear line of sight and ability to wear glasses, but I suspect the forehead piece of causing (or at least exacerbating) some pretty nasty tension/sinus headaches.

I hated nasal pillows at my titration study so I am hesitant to try the Liberty or Hybrid and I just didn't think the other FF options without forehead pieces looked appealing.

New Respironics FullLife Mask - Release on July 20......... 2010 ??

I've asked my DME for one of these masks, because I can't stand taping my mouth shut anymore. I can't take the forehead piece that most FFMs have, so the FullLife is appealing for that reason.

I wanted to try the Innomed Hybrid, but my DME is now only dealing with Respironics and would need an order from my doctor to get me something else, so I asked for this, instead. The RT told me today that she's expecting these masks to arrive at the office tomorrow. Hopefully, I'll have one in the next few days. We'll see...

Of course, if I am lucky enough to actually get one, I'll let you all know how I like it.

For me, the interest is because I would love not to have something resting on my forehead, and the other FF masks without forehead gear either use nasal pillows or cover the eyes ( don't users of that get a lot of air blown into their eyes?). Anyway, I am very interested in hearing reviews of this mask, but meanwhile am working to get my Quattro to function optimally.

The Fisher & Paykel 431 (https://www.cpap.com/productpage/fisher ... -mask.html ) is a full face mask that does not have anything touching the forehead. It is much cheaper than the FullLife. I have one that I use for naps. It is an good FFM, IMO.

rooster wrote:The Fisher & Paykel 431 (https://www.cpap.com/productpage/fisher ... -mask.html ) is a full face mask that does not have anything touching the forehead. It is much cheaper than the FullLife. I have one that I use for naps. It is an good FFM, IMO.

It looks to me like part of the 431's frame does rest on the forehead, Rooster. Are the pictures deceiving?

The pictures of the F & P 431 full face mask are deceiving. It doesn't touch my forehead either. It does have a forehead piece but it sits out from my forehead.

That may not be the case for everyone who uses this mask.

BleepingBeauty wrote:

rooster wrote:The Fisher & Paykel 431 (https://www.cpap.com/productpage/fisher ... -mask.html ) is a full face mask that does not have anything touching the forehead. It is much cheaper than the FullLife. I have one that I use for naps. It is an good FFM, IMO.

It looks to me like part of the 431's frame does rest on the forehead, Rooster. Are the pictures deceiving?

There is a strut that extends above the mask to hold the crown strap. The strut does not touch the forehead or any other part of the body.

Hawthorne wrote:The pictures of the F & P 431 full face mask are deceiving. It doesn't touch my forehead either. It does have a forehead piece but it sits out from my forehead.

That may not be the case for everyone who uses this mask.

If anyone is using this mask with the strut touching their forehead, then either

-they have it adjusted incorrectly

-or

-their face and head are grotesquely deformed.

rooster wrote:There is a strut that extends above the mask to hold the crown strap. The strut does not touch the forehead or any other part of the body.

Thanks, rooster and Hawthorne. But since my DME is only offering Respironics masks now, I'd still need an order from my doctor to get one of these F&P masks. If push comes to shove, I'll try the Hybrid first (if only because of the sizing options it comes with), but it's good to know that this one is also an option for me.

rooster wrote:

Hawthorne wrote:The pictures of the F & P 431 full face mask are deceiving. It doesn't touch my forehead either. It does have a forehead piece but it sits out from my forehead.

That may not be the case for everyone who uses this mask.

If anyone is using this mask with the strut touching their forehead, then either

-they have it adjusted incorrectly

-or

-their face and head are grotesquely deformed.

Rooster, how'd you get my photo?! I have a 432, which has the same forehead piece design. I assumed it was supposed to touch my forehead because of the silicone forehead pad. But ... it doesn't touch my forehead when properly adjusted.

twokatmew wrote: ...... I have a 432, which has the same forehead piece design. I assumed it was supposed to touch my forehead because of the silicone forehead pad. But ... it doesn't touch my forehead when properly adjusted.

Oh! The 432 and 431 have the identical shell as far as I know. My 431 doesn't have a silicone forehead pad, only the hard plastic strut which would be very uncomfortable touching your head. I did get this mask from an acquaintance who had tried it once or twice. Could he have removed the silicone forehead pad?

rooster wrote:

twokatmew wrote: ...... I have a 432, which has the same forehead piece design. I assumed it was supposed to touch my forehead because of the silicone forehead pad. But ... it doesn't touch my forehead when properly adjusted.

Oh! The 432 and 431 have the identical shell as far as I know. My 431 doesn't have a silicone forehead pad, only the hard plastic strut which would be very uncomfortable touching your head. I did get this mask from an acquaintance who had tried it once or twice. Could he have removed the silicone forehead pad?

Does the plastic piece between the top headgear straps have a slot in it? If so, you're missing the silicone pad. Even with the pad, it still doesn't touch my forehead. I just checked CPAP.Com, and it appears that the 431 does indeed have a silicone forehead pad: https://www.cpap.com/productpage-replac ... -mask.html
I was just investigating the F&P FFM masks yesterday, and I found that the 431 and Forma use one size frame. The 432 uses separate frame sizes. (The small is still pretty big, though.) All three masks use the same silicone seal. The 432 and Forma use different foam cushions. The Forma has a t-piece forehead support, and all three masks use the same silicone foread pads. (431 and 432 use one pad, Forma uses two.)

Yep. Someone pulled the silicone pad out of the slot. Never missed it because it clears my forehead by a good inch.

Looking at this mask its obvious that if i try it its going to leak at the top of the nose

I notice there is no return insurance for it yet on cpap.com