ResScan Software Unavailable

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Re: ResScan Software Unavailable

Post by twokatmew » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:13 pm

Velbor wrote:A supportive sleep-medicine office may be willing to let you borrow a copy of the software to install on your own computer, as an extension of their own professional service. (It may be expedient to ask the support staff first, to avoid putting the physician in a compromising position. If they decline, by all means ask your doctor directly.) Their response, in addition to hopefully providing you with the software, may give you good feedback as to just how "supportive" your physician is willing to be.
Nope. You're not "borrowing" software in this case, you're stealing. Since my software's on back order, I haven't seen the actual licensing agreement, but I can guarantee you that it does not provide for docs to hand out copies of a $200 software program to patients. (Typically companies that do this have a licensing model that supports such a program.) Any business could get fined significantly for handing out software like that, as they are periodically audited for such things. I know, because I used to manage software licensing compliance for a major medical school, and I watched several people lose their jobs over handing out software for free.

When I talked with the CPAP Shop, they said Resmed doesn't want patients to have access to the software, because we can use it to change settings on our machines. I pointed out that the clinician's manuals are readily available, and I've already changed my machine w/o the software. He's hoping that Resmed releases a modified version of the software for patients (like EncoreViewer) which does not allow modification of machine settings ... and perhaps is less expensive.

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Re: ResScan Software Unavailable

Post by jdm2857 » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:32 pm

I agree that copying the software is stealing.

But under ResMed's new policy, if I already owned a ResMed machine, I would consider doing it. ResMed is not running around auditing individuals.

It's also interesting that some of the same online suppliers that can no longer sell the software include the clinicians' guide in their shipments. So the "secret" menus are out of the bag.

Hopefully ResMed will either reverse this new policy or release a "viewer" version of ResScan for home use. A lower price would be great, too.
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Re: ResScan Software Unavailable

Post by phoneguysfault » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:01 pm

I purchased Rescan 3.7 from a site in Australia. Was cheaper and was delivered in about a week.
I did a Google search and found it.

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Re: ResScan Software Unavailable

Post by jdm2857 » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:04 pm

But do you have to turn your screen upside-down?
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Re: ResScan Software Unavailable

Post by Velbor » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:11 pm

twokatmew wrote: Nope. You're not "borrowing" software in this case, you're stealing. Since my software's on back order, I haven't seen the actual licensing agreement, but I can guarantee you that it does not provide for docs to hand out copies of a $200 software program to patients. (Typically companies that do this have a licensing model that supports such a program.) Any business could get fined significantly for handing out software like that, as they are periodically audited for such things. I know, because I used to manage software licensing compliance for a major medical school, and I watched several people lose their jobs over handing out software for free.
Technically, you may be quite correct.

The ResScan manual (v3.4) states: "This manual, as well as the computer programs described herein, are supplied on the condition that they may only be used in accordance with their stated purpose. .... Other than with the written permission of ResMed Limited, no part of this manual or the computer programs described herein may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, recording, or otherwise."

Whoops. Did I just accidentally reproduce and/or transmit "restricted" information? My bad.

Further, the "Intended Use" statement reads: "The ResScan software is intended to be used by clinicians or health care providers to download and view therapy data, as well as store therapy information and print reports. ResScan also provides functionality for setting flow generator parameters. ResScan is used with ResMed flow generators that have software incorporating ResMed’s proprietary communication protocol.
!CAUTION (USA ONLY)
Federal law restricts this device to sale by or on the order of a physician."

Technically, you may be quite correct.

Of course, any retailer who has sold this software, without an "order" from a physician, is technically violating .... something. And even with an "order" from a physician, use by a person who is not a "clinician or health care provider" is outside the "Intended Use" of the software, which also seems, technically, to be violating .... something. Can't really put my finger on precisely what's wrong, here, but clearly, there is something very, very wrong going on, whatever a clinician or a user does or doesn't do ....

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Re: ResScan Software Unavailable

Post by Husky Lover » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:24 pm

I'll give ResMed the benefit of the doubt and believe that they have done this in response to legalities in these good ol' colonies called the USA.

It is my opinion that the USA is overly cautious when it comes to CPAP related items, as far as prescriptions and so forth. Just as a diabetic can be taught to adjust their medication, I believe the majority of CPAP and APAP users can also be taught to fine tune their equipment, perhaps much better than the occasional visit to the doctor or sleep therapist who isn't interested or has the time, or charges more than the patient can afford.

I'm quite happy with the ResMed S8 Autoset II. However, knowing what I know now from educating myself about my sleep apnea, I'd probably have considered an APAP that I could get detailed report software.

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Re: ResScan Software Unavailable

Post by apnez » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:41 pm

This is a very debatable matter.

Companies like Philips (Respironics) and Resmed (and the others) are a part of a large monopoly and coalition, including doctors and sleep apnea labs, which absolute goal is to maximize their interests, incomes and profits. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours is their rule. Protections of patient's health is just a pretext and b.s.. They hide us critical information and restrain the control and access of their machines... which are our machines just and only for that purpose : make more money! This is exactly why they don't want to sell us their software and hide their clinical manuals. To serve their interests better, they deprive us of our fundamental right to control our health.

What do you do in such circumstances facing such coalition? Steal those who steal you? This is why access codes to the clinical menu of machines are available everywhere on the Web including cpap.com and this forum and many others and this is why you can get current software "free" on many Web site like the well known thepiratebay.org. This is why we exchange between us copies of software and clinical manuals. This is exactly why you see right here in this forum a large consumers movement who cooperate together to get the information circulate and share it. As long as they will act as they do now consumers will find a way to reverse the situation an protect their rights.

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Re: ResScan Software Unavailable

Post by pastorj » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:47 pm

I know that I am still new to the whole realm of sleep apnea but I also know that the overwhelming majority of what I do know about sleep apnea and cpap treatment has been learned through reading on this forum. Because of the help received here I have been able to monitor my therapy and I believe that the success of that therapy has more to do with the help from this forum than from anwhere else.
Having said that, I also admit to being somewhat of an activist. I think that Resmed should be flooded with emails and letters and calls from patients who are unhappy with their decision to withdraw software from the market and ask that this decision be reconsidered or that Resmed produce a software that could be made available to the patients as Respironics has done.
These manufacturers need to know that for many of us the "professionals" have failed us and we have had to look elsewhere to find answers to our questions.
That's just my two-cents worth.

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Re: ResScan Software Unavailable

Post by tattooyu » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:29 pm

Here is a letter I am going to snail mail to the ResMed project manager, Drew Terry and others.
[My address ommitted]

June 18, 2009

Drew Terry
c/o ResMed Corp
9001 Spectrum Center Blvd.
San Diego, CA 92123

Attention: Drew Terry — Project Manager

Dear Mr. Terry:

RESSCAN SOFTWARE FOR PATIENTS/END USERS

It has been brought to my attention that you are no longer authorizing the sale of ResScan software to end users in the United States. While I understand that this decision was probably in part due to legal protection, perhaps restrictions from the FDA, I must voice my concerns that you are depriving apnea patients, that are very serious in the participation in their therapy, the ability to view their own data and ensure that adequate therapy is being delivered.

In February 2009, I was diagnosed with severe sleep apnea. I am thirty-six years old, and a patient that uses a ResMed S8 Autoset II. Without the guidance of my online support group (some being 10+ years veterans on xPAP therapy) and being able to monitor my data with the ResScan software, my therapy would have suffered. I only get one appointment with my sleep doctor per year, and he is very hard to get a hold of most of the time. According to the hordes of apnea patients that share their voice on the Internet, it seems appointments are extremely difficult to book with most sleep doctors.

Without being able to adjust my settings, which I do directly on the machine as opposed to using ResScan, I would not have the consistent <3 AHI numbers I do now. I cannot imagine how my health would have suffered for an entire year without the aforementioned tools and people at my disposal.

My mother and sister are diabetic. I also know many other diabetics who also happen to have OSA. Endocrinologists and physicians routinely show patients how to adjust their medication as necessary depending on the glucose levels that show on their meters (and A1c tests). Why are apnea patients deprived and discouraged from doing the same with their pressures? Why can’t our doctors teach us what to do so we can safely adjust our settings to get the ultimate result: good health? In most cases, I would think pressure settings would not be more dangerous than adjusting medications that alter blood chemistry, i.e., glucose and insulin levels.

However, I am not looking to work against you, but rather with you, as a ResMed customer. I would like to make the suggestion that you look at your competitors, Respironics (et al), who provide a "viewer only" version of software (like Encore Viewer), where a patient can view all the detailed data from the machine but do not have access to change settings. That way, they can at least be an active part of their own therapy, since they would need an RT, sleep doctor or someone at their Durable Medical Equipment (DME) company to change pressure settings. However, I still believe that a patient can be taught how to safely adjust their own pressures.

My impression of ResMed is that it is a company that produces quality products and cares about their customers. The Autoset II is extremely well made, easy to use and provides me with quiet, comfortable sleep every night. When calling Customer Service with questions, everyone was very pleasant, helpful and gave me satisfactory information. Hopefully, profit margins, partnerships with other corporations and government entanglement don’t overshadow the main goal, which is to help people achieve optimal health. It is perplexing as to why your company in this case, and the medical community as a whole, have excluded those they are trying to help: the patients.

One day, I believe the medical community will embrace patients who desire to be a part of, and contribute to, their own therapy. It is my hope that this letter contributes to the ripple that we, as patients, hope to expand to the medical professionals that help save, and to some degree control, our health.

Sincerely,


Kenny [My last name ommitted]
Current user of the ResMed S8 Autoset II

cc: Dr. Peter C. Farrell, PhD, DSc, AM — Executive Chairman of the Board
David Pendarvis — Sr. Vice President, Organizational Development
Kieran T. Gallahue — President and Chief Executive Officer
Sleep well and live better!

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Re: ResScan Software Unavailable

Post by TenmaNeko » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:21 pm

tattooyu, that seems like a pretty good letter, well written, good tone.

Hopefully it'll give them a kick in the pants.

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Great News!

Post by MidnightOwl » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:46 am

This is terrific news! I'm almost ready to buy a data capable replacement for my old Plus M. The prospect of researching all those choices seemed daunting. Suddenly the decision has been made so much easier. Thank you Resmed for eliminating your machines from consideration. Days of reading saved!

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Re: Great News!

Post by apnez » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:45 pm

MidnightOwl wrote:This is terrific news! I'm almost ready to buy a data capable replacement for my old Plus M. The prospect of researching all those choices seemed daunting. Suddenly the decision has been made so much easier. Thank you Resmed for eliminating your machines from consideration. Days of reading saved!
Not only Resmed will be considered as a non option but their software will be copied and redistributed by Web sites as it is already the case by the piratebay.com. You only have to type ResScan for a "free" copy! There is also the possibility that skilled users will write their own software version and make it freely available on the Net. Even if they issue a new version for health professionals only, it won't take much time to have it available anyway.

If this is so it is a stupid decision. As I mentioned consumers will override the problem a way or another. There is no need to write them. It won't take long that they will see the results of their crazy decision on CPAP sales.

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Arr! software pirates . . .

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Re: Great News!

Post by twokatmew » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:16 pm

apnez wrote:Not only Resmed will be considered as a non option but their software will be copied and redistributed by Web sites as it is already the case by the piratebay.com. You only have to type ResScan for a "free" copy!
You're right. Type in "resscan" at the pirate bay, and up comes a link for ResScan 3.7 -- except (1) you can see down at the bottom of the page, the second comment says this software is an older version that doesn't work with the USB card reader; and (2) there are plenty of leechers, but no one's seeding. So it would appear that no, you can't get a "free," illegal copy of ResScan.

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Re: Great News!

Post by apnez » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:27 pm

twokatmew wrote:...the second comment says this software is an older version that doesn't work with the USB card reader...
I went to piratebay.com to make a check.

You should be careful reading everything as this is version 3.7 which IS the most recent version! I bought my personal copy and got the exact same version 3.7!

The person who made the copy available is "Goofproof" and mentions that he had to reload the copy for a properly working copy as his first loading was faulty. This probably explain why the second comment says that the copy do not work.

I know that this copy works very well as it has been recommended to me twice by members of this forum who sent me the tip by pm. You don't have to be a genius if you conclude that many members of the forum got their copy through that channel who seems to be well knowned! Too bad that I bought it before I got the info! And it seems that there are many copies of the clinical manuals available on the Net.

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