Pur-Sleep Regenesis Pillow

MrSandman wrote:For the record - I have nothing against Bret or his products but just Lawyers in general . Just Kidding...

I love entrepreneurship and if he can get whatever price he can get than good for him.

I think he is wasting his time but that is his business.

Maybe he will come up with the next pocket fisherman for cpap users, hell if I care.

LIVE AND LET LIVE.

Well then. Why not "LIVE AND LET LIVE" already?? Geesh. What is this deal with going after one person with a small business and a few products directed to the cpap community? There seem to be some pathological obsessions here that are incredibly out of proportion to reality. Anybody (SAG?) want to spend an equal number of hours and hours of forum entries on all the other thousand over-priced cpap products? Or to go after the people here who write that they will sap the Medicare/Insurance system for every ridiculous over-endulgence that is allowed and that they feel justified and Entitled to??? Pu-leease, give us all a break.

Funny how many people who don't care have lots of opinions.... In any event I can certainly understand why people would be skeptical of (and perhaps resentful towards) an person who has a vested interest in products and spends a lot of time on the forum talking about them. We're all tired of spam and I'm sorry for junking up the boards. As the person who watches sales and orders I can vouch for the fact that the forum is really a bad place for marketing. But that's fine by me because my intent is not to market here. My intent is to find people who know a lot more than I do (after all I'm just a dumb lawyer) and get their help, see what works, what doesn't, and make changes and improvements. Then I am more comfortable making investments and marketing products through appropriate channels (trust me, cpaptalk is not on the list of my marketing channels for a buckwheat hull pillow--that doesn't make much sense). I was able to use the forum to find several people I would consider to be Pillow Fanatics--people I would have not otherwise been able to use as a resource (and give them something useful in exchange).

So one case in point on this thread: I was not aware of much of the general negative experiences and issues with buckwheat hull pillows. So now that I can see those issues I can go back and revisit what I'm trying to accomplish to see if there's a way to mitigate the problems and issues. Free Love Hug Fests just aren't that useful, though "a little help from my friends" might be welcome....LOL Carol!

And I continue to be flattered by the Stalkers though I can appreciate why they might feel resentful (or jealous?).

plr66 wrote:

MrSandman wrote:For the record - I have nothing against Bret or his products but just Lawyers in general . Just Kidding...

I love entrepreneurship and if he can get whatever price he can get than good for him.

I think he is wasting his time but that is his business.

Maybe he will come up with the next pocket fisherman for cpap users, hell if I care.

LIVE AND LET LIVE.

Well then. Why not "LIVE AND LET LIVE" already?? Geesh. What is this deal with going after one person with a small business and a few products directed to the cpap community? There seem to be some pathological obsessions here that are incredibly out of proportion to reality. Anybody (SAG?) want to spend an equal number of hours and hours of forum entries on all the other thousand over-priced cpap products? Or to go after the people here who write that they will sap the Medicare/Insurance system for every ridiculous over-endulgence that is allowed and that they feel justified and Entitled to??? Pu-leease, give us all a break.

Ahhhh - now I like this one because there is a whiney poster on here who whines and complains about what she is or isn't getting from uncle sam and how the rules are skewed against her getting more money from uncle sam and how she can't get what she wants the way she wants it from uncle sam and I have to bite my damn tongue everytime I read her posts!

sleepycarol wrote:I am always curious so I have did some experimenting. I wanted an unbiased evaluation between the Regenesis pillow and an ordinary buckwheat pillow.

Well, I hardly consider that a fair and unbiased evaluation. Your pillow case from K-Mart is 20 inches by 28 inches, while Bret's pillow is 13 inches x 18 inches. That means the surface area is 560 square inches vs 234 square inches, (2.4 times as much area) so of course there are going to be huge differences in performance. Use like items and then you have a valid comparison.

sleepycarol wrote:The noise was more pronounced with my homemade pillow. Bret's pillow is quiet and does not wake me.

While using the same buckwheat hulls?

Okaaaaayyyyyyy......

sleeycarol wrote:I do think it is a shame that a select few have targeted Bret for undue criticism.

What, I thought I had some pretty good comments yesterday about discussing the "gusset" and the "hidden costs" of returning such a heavy product (as previously noted, for me to send that thing back would either be $15.83 Parcel Post or $29.95 Priority Mail).

If Bret is truly

Bret wrote:so confident that you will enjoy our products

and there is really an

Bret also wrote:Unconditional Money-Back Guarantee!

then he should refund the entire purchase price including return shipping. Either the product is good or it's not. If it's that good of a product, then that policy is academic. If it's not, then clearly the other motive is underfoot.

And from the comments I've seen so far about pillows, as well as some personal observations, I think that pillow preference is going to be very similar to interface preference.

BTW, instead of posting the pictures of the "gusset", could you send me the two empty cases (K-Mart and Bret's product)? SAG has some basic sewing skills (OK, very basic, but he can make a pillowcase) and he thinks he can make some alterations to the "K-Mart" pillow case to make it very similar in performance.

He will then test it on himself and report his unbiased opinion.

SAG

I hereby challenge Bret to send his #1 critic SAG a pillow to test for free and post his observations and if he is impressed enough to say the pillow is worth the asking price I will buy one for myself. I am willing to post the money for the pillow into a paypal account for Bret and if SAG doesn't give his 100% approval just return the money. I am looking for a good pillow.

Just don't slip a diffuser of bubblegum oil in the pillow .

MrSandman wrote:I hereby challenge Bret to send his #1 critic SAG a pillow to test for free and post his observations and if he is impressed enough to say the pillow is worth the asking price I will buy one for myself. I am willing to post the money for the pillow into a paypal account for Bret and if SAG doesn't give his 100% approval just return the money. I am looking for a good pillow.

Just don't slip a diffuser of bubblegum oil in the pillow .

I believe this to be a fair idea good on ya sandman - and i fully agree with the paypal option, which if memory serves Brett does not currently offer and i for one hesitate greatly to purchase anything on line with out the ability to pay via paypal. btw i also fully agree about the bubblegum scent

In my opinion the comparison was valid. The hulls were from the same batch. The casing, the closest I could find without driving a 100 miles and spending upteen hours searching for identical material.

In fact if you watch television you are always seeing product comparisons that compare one product to another and the items do not have the EXACT same ingredients, etc. Look at the Coke vs. Pepsi commercials, Tide vs. ?, etc. They are like products but differ from each other in some manner.

I am tired of defending my views against SAG's tirades. You could expect those tirades from a tired and grumpy preschooler -- but from a supposedly intelligent adult I don't think so. It appears he is on a mission and itsn't necessarily to help forum members. If that were the case he would be posting as much on issues that ARE really and truly IMPORTANT such as helping people find solutions to their cpap treatment.

sleepycarol wrote: I am tired of defending my views against SAG's tirades. You could expect those tirades from a tired and grumpy preschooler -- but from a supposedly intelligent adult I don't think so. It appears he is on a mission and itsn't necessarily to help forum members. If that were the case he would be posting as much on issues that ARE really and truly IMPORTANT such as helping people find solutions to their cpap treatment.

sleepycarol wrote:I am tired of defending my views against SAG's tirades. You could expect those tirades from a tired and grumpy preschooler -- but from a supposedly intelligent adult I don't think so. It appears he is on a mission and itsn't necessarily to help forum members. If that were the case he would be posting as much on issues that ARE really and truly IMPORTANT such as helping people find solutions to their cpap treatment.

I take it that I shouldn't be waiting by the mailbox for those pillowcases, then?

SAG

SAG, I suspect the Pur-Sleep Pillows look something like this. I bet you knew that from the description.

I have to ask sleepycarol, are you saying that the trial you have done on this pillow involved you buying some/all of the hulls yourself? It seems like that is not really reviewing Bret's pillow at all, but something you made from a case he supplied to you.

Also, you say:

In my opinion the comparison was valid. The hulls were from the same batch. The casing, the closest I could find without driving a 100 miles and spending upteen hours searching for identical material.

That seems a little odd to me. If you had managed to find the identical casing, then given that you were using the same hulls in both pillows, if they had identical cases, wouldn't they then be identical, except for the amount of hulls you put in each?

I'm not sure what conclusion your comparison was supposed to support. If you were trying to make the identical pillow and then concluded that Bret's was better, it would really seem that you are blinded by prejudice. Surely that is not what you were trying to do.

LoQ wrote:SAG, I suspect the Pur-Sleep Pillows look something like this. I bet you knew that from the description.

Right, maybe a little flatter, like



Bret's description for his product says

The 4-inch semi-rigid vertical side panels used in the new Regenesis Pillow provide a thick, three-dimensional space

but the website photo looks nothing like that



with the 4 inch height looking totally out of proportion.

However, since the point of the craft project was to provide a good alternative for much less money (so maybe we should just stick with the basic pillow design that's been around like forever), then simply cutting the 20" x 28" K-Mart pillowcase in half and resewing the seam would make the pillow 14" x 20" (vs Bret's 13" x 18") fill it up with b.wheat and we're done.

sleepycarol wrote:If that were the case he would be posting as much on issues that ARE really and truly IMPORTANT such as helping people find solutions to their cpap treatment.

There ya go, $60.00 buckwheat pillow for 15 bucks. What's the next problem?

SAG

Let's not forget that Buckwheat pillows are Eco-Friendly:

Traditional Pillows- discard after product life cycle
Buckwheat Pillows- microwave then add butter and maple syrup the morning after

I was wanting to compare a pillow that didn't have a gusset to one that did. Period!! Simple as that -- gusset, no gusset.

I tend to have neck issues and do not want a pillow that doesn't support my neck. Since some were making comparisons to Bret's pillow with a gusset to ones that didn't have a gusset I wanted to see if I got the same type of support -- period -- nothing else!! I DO NOT LIVE IN A LARGE CITY!!! Our choices and selections are limited here. What part of that do you not understand? I tried to find similar material so I could check if the gusset was an improvement or if it didn't matter!!

It seems that EVERYONE is comparing Bret's pillow to ones that do NOT contain a gusset and so YOU are comparing apples to oranges -- I was trying to be as objective as I could on why I thought Bret's was the best. I DIDN"T have to do a comparison at all -- I did it for those that was wondering about the reasons I liked Bret's pillow. THIS WASN'T A SCIENCTIFIC EXPERIMENT FOR GOODNESS SAKE!!!! It was simply a comparison of similar type pillows -- one with a gusset and one without a gusset. I was also interested in the weight of the larger pillow. I found that the larger the pillow the more weight and harder to deal with.

If I remember right all I did was voice my opinion on a product I liked -- nothing more nothing less. People do it all the time on this forum -- they compare machines, masks, hose covers, chin straps, etc. Some of you like Resmed machines vs. Respironics; the Liberty vs. Hybrid; etc. The list goes on and on about the different product brands and which is better and why. These things do NOT have identical components, hardware, software, silicone, etc. THESE ARE VERY SIMILAR BUT NOT THE EXACT SAME MANUFACTURING STANDARDS, MATERIALS, ETC. either. Why aren't you discussing those hot topics.

Yes, I did supply my own hulls to save Bret some shipping on it. I never tried to hide that fact either. I don't know why a few have decided to make this their agenda as there are more important issues in this world than my "unscientific experiment in pillows".

LoQ wrote:SAG, I suspect the Pur-Sleep Pillows look something like this. I bet you knew that from the description.

I have to ask sleepycarol, are you saying that the trial you have done on this pillow involved you buying some/all of the hulls yourself? It seems like that is not really reviewing Bret's pillow at all, but something you made from a case he supplied to you.

Also, you say:

In my opinion the comparison was valid. The hulls were from the same batch. The casing, the closest I could find without driving a 100 miles and spending upteen hours searching for identical material.

That seems a little odd to me. If you had managed to find the identical casing, then given that you were using the same hulls in both pillows, if they had identical cases, wouldn't they then be identical, except for the amount of hulls you put in each?

I'm not sure what conclusion your comparison was supposed to support. If you were trying to make the identical pillow and then concluded that Bret's was better, it would really seem that you are blinded by prejudice. Surely that is not what you were trying to do.

What is your point here? YOUR pillow in the your link ISN"T even a buckwheat pillow? So if you are trying to compare the pillows -- why do I have to be exact -- BUT YOU CAN COMPARE TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TYPES OF PILLOWS?

My Vote: If we're going to have a pillow fight then let's do it at a giant sleep-over. We can also tell jokes, have seances, laugh, and make it a point not to get a single wink of sleep.

Then the following morning we can all have buckwheat pancakes!