Pur-Sleep Regenesis Pillow

StillAnotherGuest wrote:65 dollars for a buckwheat pillow!!!

Get serious!

SAG

OMG not paying that in US dollars, nor what the postage would be, also have issues with the pmt methods as someone else stated, i prefer paypal. thanks SAG for some really great alternatives, I will start looking here in OZ, as well as check out postage for the "more affordable options" you have pointed out.

cheers

GVD

MrSandman wrote:

rooster wrote:

Just don't inhale.

You kill me Rooster Made me chuckle again.

I know, you are talking about the hull dust... I just didn't think about the other buckwheat...

Mike

I wonder if we will see a post here about the dangers of buckwheat hull dust very soon...

Gee, I was just kidding at the time.

Dermatophagoides Farinae, an Important Allergenic Substance in Buckwheat-Husk Pillows: http://www.eymj.org/1987/pdf/274.pdf

"Endotoxin and House Dust Mite Allergen Levels on Synthetic and Buckwheat Pillows
http://jkms.kams.or.kr/2004/pdf/08505.pdf

Today's markets are driven by what consumers are willing to pay for the end product. That end product may or may not live up to our expectations.

Price shouldn't be the only factor in considering consumer purchases. Example -- I, often, purchased shoes from my local WalMart store due to cost. You can get a fairly nice pair of shoes at Walmart from ten bucks up to twenty bucks or so. They don't look bad and often mimic the look of higher brand shoes. Yet, these shoes are not made to the same standards as name brand shoes. When my feet started to cause me some major issues and I went to the doctor -- guess what the first thing they noticed -- my shoes. I was told that the WalMart shoes wasn't giving me the support that I needed. I had notice that after a few weeks of wear the shoes would start looking shabby and run down. Materials and workmanship is not a priority with the cheaper shoes that WalMart sells. I now buy brand name shoes, albeit on sale. I give more for them in the initial cost but have saved money as I am not having to replace the shoes as frequently and my feet feel better.

Bret uses quality materials in his products, including this pillow. When I received my pillow I told him I would furnish my own hulls to save on his cost since the pillow was a test product -- prices vary greatly in cost when it comes to buckwheat hulls - plus they are expensive to have shipped. The hulls Bret recommended to me are of higher quality than what I purchased. I tried to save money and ended up having to purchase a minimum of $20.00 plus $14.00 shipping from the online store I purchased them from. The pillow material that surrounds the hulls is made from a double layer of quilted material that does not allow the hulls to stick you or come through the material. The pillow has a 4 inch gusset around it making it taller than most pillows. I like that as I hate a "flat" pillow on the edge. A pillow case is included that is specially made for the pillow that is deeper than an ordinary pillowcase to accommodate the gusset. The pillow case material is of quality material that should last a long time with proper care. He has to pay labor costs, materials, and other overhead. I have done research on the various different buckwheat pillows online and I feel that Bret's pillow is priced fairly if you compare workmanship and quality among things you look for.

Many have purchased the Pappillow and other speciality pillows and have paid comparable prices for them so I don't understand the upset over the cost of Bret's pillow. After all if you don't like his prices you don't have to buy his product -- but to knock a product you haven't seen to compare it to others as to the quality of materials is a shame. It is like comparing a new Mercedes vs. Ford Focus.

Well, if we're going to do a comparison of top-of-the-line products, then let's go to the Original Buckwheat Pillows. They're experts and have a track record of quality.

So how'd you like to go to bed and put your head down on one of these...

The Original Buckwheat Pillows Online Store

Whoops! Sorry!! Here, turn the page....

The Original Buckwheat Pillows Online Store Product Line

Once again, you can see where you can get either more product or spend less money for a like or better product.

Further, for some people, all they can afford is a Ford Focus. Or all they need is a Ford Focus. Or just want to be savvy shoppers.

SAG

sleepycarol wrote:........... After all if you don't like his prices you don't have to buy his product ............

SC,

You hit that nail on the head!

I guess I'm kinda flattered to be getting so much attention. I've been out of town all week and haven't had access to the Internet--so I'm just now catching up.

Having tried many buckwheat hull pillows I can say that they are NOISY and HARD because they're all made with single layer cotton (plus a cotton case), making side sleeping very uncomfortable. The double layered quilted material is much more expensive than single layer cotton. On top of that all of the buckwheat hull pillows I've seen or used follow the same design, with the top and bottom panels sewn together. That creates a V shape right in the cervical area. Unfortunately, hulls are highly flowable and are easily pushed out of the cervical area during active sleep. My design uses a four-inch vertical side panel which has the effect of creating a generous, three dimensional space in the cervical area that curves outward. This results in a pocket that holds the buckwheat hulls right in the desired area even during active sleep (in my experience and those who have actually used the pillow). So, all of the extra material, extra labor sewing the pillow, the zipper, and six pounds of hulls, and high shipping costs (the website offers $5 flat rate shipping, much less than actual shipping costs) makes for a high cost pillow. The product is not trying to compete with canvas pillows sewn in China.

What about your method of payment issues?

I am always curious so I have did some experimenting. I wanted an unbiased evaluation between the Regenesis pillow and an ordinary buckwheat pillow.

Yesterday, I went to our local K-Mart store and purchased a quilted zippered pillow protector case. The size is 20 inches by 28 inches. I had purchased 20 pounds of buckwheat hulls and so had plenty of hulls to stuff the pillow case. I opened the package and used either 9 or 10 pounds of hulls in this case. It isn't an easy job filling it. Bret's pillow has a gusset and the material is easy to handle and I had no problem filling the Regenesis pillow. Well the purchased case from K-mart ended up being a big hassle to fill and once even slipped from my hand spilling buckwheat hulls all over the floor.

After filling the case with either 9 or 10 pounds of hulls it was getting pretty heavy. I put a pillow case on it and placed it on my bed for bedtime. When bedtime came I was ready to try out the "new" pillow I made using SAG's method of purchasing a case and filling it. Well it does NOT compare to Bret's pillow. You get what you paid for and in my opinion this is one of those times being cheap is not good. The pillow was not as comfortable as there was no gusset to keep the hulls cradling your neck . The hulls shifted in the seam area and did not provide the support needed. I don't think it was due to a lack of hulls as my head was at a higher angle than Bret's pillow. The noise was more pronounced with my homemade pillow. Bret's pillow is quiet and does not wake me.

I am going back to using Bret's pillow tonight and sleep in comfort. As far as prices go -- do a google search of buckwheat hull pillows and compare the different pillows. Bret's pillow is not over priced when you compare the different brands of pillows as many of the higher level pillows are priced in line with Bret's. For a specialized pillow, it is still a great value in my opinion.

Bret has manufacturing cost involved with his pillow including material that is of high quality, tightly woven double layered and quilted, quality buckwheat hulls, and a pillow case to boot. Bret charges a flat fee for handling and he has to pay the difference in postage since buckwheat pillows are heavy. When you take into account his expense for making the pillows vs. the price charged it is a great value.

I DO NOT GET PAID FOR MY ENDORSEMENTS NOR AM I AN EMPLOY OF PUR-SLEEP. JUST A SATISIFIED CUSTOMER.

Carol-thanks for the update and comparison. As i said in my thread about millet hull pillows i was looking into the options in Oz, due to high postage costs etc. I have ordered the millet hull pillow, hopefully it should be here today, and i am also hoping for quality and comfort as you have found with your regenesis pillow. i went with this type over a comparable buckwheat pillow to Brett's, due to supposedly being softer, quieter. looking at all the different buckwheat and millet hulls available in the US, as there was very little available here in australia, the price of Brett's pillow was very competative in both countries (dollar for dollar not counting exchange rates). i am very interested to see if this will work for me. thanks again for your update.

cheers

GVD

How often can you wash a buckwheat pillow?

I'm leery of the concept since my wife purchased one of those neck support tubes which over a relatively short time collected an odor that wouldn't come out by simply airing it out and wasn't washable. Needless to say it was thrown out.

We're used to washing our down feather pillows at least every few months.

Paul

The pillow looks and sounds like it would be extremely comfortable. I would definitely pay the price if I had the extra money right now. I have spent money on the pappillow, and it absolutely did not work for me. My son's ex loved it however and used it during her pregnancy to help support her belly. But the buckwheat pillow looks really comfortable and I value SleepyCarol's opinion. think I will have to start saving my pennies...it's a long time before Santa comes back again--LOL!!
Bret--looks like another great product!!
Cindy

sleepycarol wrote:The pillow was not as comfortable as there was no gusset to keep the hulls cradling your neck .

Can you post a picture of the "gusset"? That sounds like a good feature we would want in our craft project.

Clearly, the personal choice of pillow will turn out to be as varied as the personal choice of PAP interface.

preemiern wrote:I would definitely pay the price if I had the extra money right now.

I think that could be everybody's sig line.

However, if there is something out there that will truly improve a person's sleep quality, then sure, that has value.

Soooooo........

Bret has an

Unconditional Guarantee
15 Day Unconditional Money-Back Guarantee!

We stand behind every purchase you make with us.

We guarantee it!

Whether you are just starting out or have been on CPAP for years, we are so confident that you will enjoy our products that we will gladly refund your entire purchase price (excluding shipping costs) within 15 days of your purchase, no questions asked.

that has an apparent contradiction in terms. I mean, it's either "unconditional" or "not". For me to send that thing back would either be $15.83 Parcel Post or $29.95 Priority Mail.

If Bret is truly

so confident that you will enjoy our products

and there is really an

Unconditional Money-Back Guarantee!

then he should

refund your entire purchase price

including return shipping, so that those people who are a little short on coin right now don't have to take an unnecessary risk.

SAG

sleepycarol wrote:I wanted to give the pillow a couple of more nights before updating this thread.

I have used the pillow exclusively for the last three nights or so and have been very pleased with the results.

I am really picky about my pillow and prior to using the memory foam pillow I use I would typically replace my pillow every 3 to 6 months. I hate a pillow that goes flat, doesn't offer support, shifts shapes, etc. I tried cheap pillows, moderate priced pillows, higher end pillows. After 3 to 6 months they usually didn't cut the "mustard" anymore and I would break down and replace it. I do use a king size pillow (we have a king size bed as well). My first experience with the memory foam pillows were one from Wal-Mart. It was regular size and just wasn't long enough as I would roll off from it in the night and end up with neck pain. So being creative I purchased a second pillow and used two end for end. The smasWe have a store that carries factory returns, damage freight, overstocks, etc. hed down before long and so I ditched them. I was there and found two Tempurpedic king size memory foam pillows and purchased them three years ago. Have been using them since.

My first night with Bret's new Regenesis Pillow was fantastic. I thought it might be a fluke and so far -- it has been great!! My neck pain, soreness, and stiffness has been greatly reduced, if not eliminated. No more stiff neck and shoulders in the morning. I can move at night and the pillow shifts according to my needs. I like support in the neck area and it provides that yet cradles my head like I want. Very comfy and is easily "bunched" in the shape you like. The pillow is very firm but is flexible as the buckwheat hulls shift and so the firmness is not noticed and the good thing is that you can easily add more buckwheat hulls or remove some to your liking. The pillow has not interfered with my mask at all, although I do use a nasal pillow mask.

If anyone is interested I am willing to try the mask with my full face mask to compare --just let me know if you would like this comparison.

I recommend this pillow to anyone needing or looking for a new pillow!!

CARGO LARGO ?

StillAnotherGuest wrote:65 dollars for a buckwheat pillow!!!

Get serious!

SAG

HEY - It is a "REGENISIS"

rooster wrote:

StillAnotherGuest wrote:65 dollars for a buckwheat pillow!!!

Get serious!

SAG

$65.00 !?

Again - you kill me ROOSTER

This is Buckwheat after sleeping on a Regenisis pillow...