Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by roster » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:42 pm

Wulfman wrote:
Guest (Also Posted As: (sin)) wrote:changing your settings is clearly illegal.
Interesting......this person came to the forum in search of product help (advice).

viewtopic/t40145/I-need-product-help.html

Now, we seem to be getting "legal" advice from that same person.


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Note that in sin's profile, he is listed as a student in Pittsburgh.

Den, That post where he sought info about equipment was strange sounding. I am guessing he was doing some type of research that had nothing to do with selecting equipment for himself.

I think he has motives that are contrary to the purpose of cpaptalk.com.
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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by jnk » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:44 pm

RipVW wrote:Where do this people come from!? Like this one from Polymar—As if they dive into the river to tell those who have swam the length of the Nile that they have passed the swimming exam so they now can tell us how to swim! Amazing!!
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I really like PolyMar's last line in that post. I will borrow it and edit it:

'Keep in mind that just like any other industry PAP [techs] have a tendency to push [their credentials] and while this [tactic] might look attractive many times you end up losing some theraputic benefit thus doing yourself an injustice.'

I am glad you Nile swimmers are there for us newer ones, RipVW!
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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by roster » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:45 pm

Another good one, carbonman.

The youth among us may want to check out the historical background at http://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/alices.shtml
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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by jnk » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:50 pm

nobody wrote:
sleepguide wrote:what a journey this simple thread that I started has taken: from trying to get to the bottom of why RTs on this forum and on http://www.sleepguide.com claim that changing settings is illegal, to Nazi Germany! 2,200 + page views later, it's still going strong.
Godwin's Law has been invoked.


That it has! I hadn't noticed.
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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by carbonman » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:00 pm

rooster wrote:Another good one, carbonman.
"If your therapy is improving your health but you're not doing anything
to see or feel those changes, you'll never know what you're capable of."
I said that.
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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by alnhwrd » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:02 pm

Sign me up for "Group W"!

Group W is where they put when you may not be moral enough after committing your own special crime

My crime is Felonious Settings Changing, surely worthy of that designation!
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WELL, alright, is it rolling Bob???

jnk wrote: The only way I know to fight the system until then is by buying from cpap.com, by using my fingers to type what I see as the truth, and by drawing people's attention here to learn from the people who have taught me and you.
As it should be.

Now, can you imagine one person,
walking into their DME, sitt'n down, and resetting their cpap....
and walk'n out....
....they'd just think he was really sick.

Two people, can you imagine two people,
walking into their DME, sitt'n down, and resetting their cpap's....in sync....
and walk'n out....
...they'd just think they were crazy.

Now, three people.....three people...
walking into their DME, sitt'n down, and resetting their cpap's....
and walk'n out....
....they'd think it was an organization.......

....50...can you imagine 50 people a day...yea, I said 50 people a day,
walking into their DME, sitt'n down, and resetting their cpap's....
and walk'n out....
...they'd think it was a movement.....

and my friends, that's what it is......

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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by jnk » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:17 pm

alnhwrd wrote:. . . My crime is Felonious Settings Changing, surely worthy of that designation! . . .
When they put you in jail for that, I hope they take your belt.

I am just glad carbonman sings loud enough to end war and stuff.

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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by DreamStalker » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:48 pm

I'm buying me a pitch fork this weekend
President-pretender, J. Biden, said "the DNC has built the largest voter fraud organization in US history". Too bad they didn’t build the smartest voter fraud organization and got caught.
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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by sleepguide » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:34 pm

this is a proud first for me: to have started a thread in which Godwin's law was invoked.
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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by PAP Police :) » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:05 pm

A PAP pressure is a prescription, just like you need a script for valium or any drug you need a script from your doc to change the pressure. A sleep professional will not change a pressure without a doctors consent or at least they shouldn't so in my opinion neiher should you. Of course everyone makes their own decisions, but definitely consult with a doctor at least before you make changes.
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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by elg5cats » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:47 pm

I think I may be a premediated felon...I'll be changing my pressure settings this weekend....per my sleep doctor's orders....after he looked at data I'm at least misdemeanor criminal for having the data.........uhm, do you think the MD is a premediated felon as well, he has instructed me to change the setting on the machine and I'm "just" a patient who knows which buttons to push......I will be looking forward to my 3 squares and a cot next week. Feeling guilty, looking guilty....waiting for prosecution!!!

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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by jnk » Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:00 am

PAP Police wrote:A PAP pressure is a prescription, just like you need a script for valium or any drug you need a script from your doc to change the pressure. A sleep professional will not change a pressure without a doctors consent or at least they shouldn't so in my opinion neiher should you. Of course everyone makes their own decisions, but definitely consult with a doctor at least before you make changes.
So, if I understand you right, officer, I should take Valium before adjusting my pressures?
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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by jnk » Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:03 am

elg5cats wrote: . . . I'm "just" a patient who knows which buttons to push . . .
When dealing with medical professionals, be very careful about pushing their buttons.
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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by carbonman » Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:21 am

jnk wrote: So, if I understand you right, officer, I should take Valium before adjusting my pressures?

I'll bet you were a trouble maker in school.
"If your therapy is improving your health but you're not doing anything
to see or feel those changes, you'll never know what you're capable of."
I said that.
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Re: Is it Illegal to Change Settings on One's CPAP Machine?

Post by LinkC » Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:25 am

PAP Police wrote:A PAP pressure is a prescription, just like you need a script for valium or any drug you need a script from your doc to change the pressure. A sleep professional will not change a pressure without a doctors consent
At the risk of belaboring the point (or is it too late already..):

YES, Bluebonnet, just as a pharmacist needs a prescription to legally dispense certain medications, a sleep pro must have one to change SOMEONE ELSE's pressure. But there is no law I know of against you changing your own, and I've looked. (If you find one, please let us know...)

Is it illegal for you to stop taking your prescription pills before you run out? Or to take more or fewer per day if you find that more effective? Your body, your health, your decision.

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