Poll... curious about how many CPAP users smoke.

Shellie_p · Post by **Shellie_p** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:08 am

26+ year smoker, recently quit this year on 4th of july. Been on CPAP 13 years.
Glad I quit for the most part, breathing, smell & taste getting better. But still have the occasional *urge*

ziggytosh · Post by **ziggytosh** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:57 am

DreamStalker wrote:Let's say there is a person who likes to take a crap in public whenever he/she has the urge without regard to anyone else ... you know, like a dog. He/she craps in your yard, in your car, on the restaurant table, in front of the door of the office building where you work, you name it, anywhere and everywhere.

Have you been following me?
While I may not agree with you, I do appreciate the colorful use of analogy. I think I read another thread where you made a comment about a hollow stick being inserted into the end where didgeridoos don't go. Love it.

DreamStalker · Post by **DreamStalker** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:22 pm

ziggytosh wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:Let's say there is a person who likes to take a crap in public whenever he/she has the urge without regard to anyone else ... you know, like a dog. He/she craps in your yard, in your car, on the restaurant table, in front of the door of the office building where you work, you name it, anywhere and everywhere.
Have you been following me?
While I may not agree with you, I do appreciate the colorful use of analogy. I think I read another thread where you made a comment about a hollow stick being inserted into the end where didgeridoos don't go. Love it.

Ummm ... not sure I follow you.

Nonetheless, you're quite welcome for the color ... glad you enjoy it.

jnk · Post by **jnk** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:34 pm

DreamStalker wrote:
ziggytosh wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:Let's say there is a person who likes to take a crap in public whenever he/she has the urge without regard to anyone else ... you know, like a dog. He/she craps in your yard, in your car, on the restaurant table, in front of the door of the office building where you work, you name it, anywhere and everywhere.
Have you been following me?
While I may not agree with you, I do appreciate the colorful use of analogy. I think I read another thread where you made a comment about a hollow stick being inserted into the end where didgeridoos don't go. Love it.
Ummm ... not sure I follow you.

Nonetheless, you're quite welcome for the color ... glad you enjoy it.

DreamStalker, I think ziggytosh wonders if he was the inspiration for your analogy!

I am wondering if ziggytosh is a modern reggae fan. Like the moniker!

DreamStalker · Post by **DreamStalker** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:24 pm

jnk wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:
ziggytosh wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:Let's say there is a person who likes to take a crap in public whenever he/she has the urge without regard to anyone else ... you know, like a dog. He/she craps in your yard, in your car, on the restaurant table, in front of the door of the office building where you work, you name it, anywhere and everywhere.
Have you been following me?
While I may not agree with you, I do appreciate the colorful use of analogy. I think I read another thread where you made a comment about a hollow stick being inserted into the end where didgeridoos don't go. Love it.
Ummm ... not sure I follow you.

Nonetheless, you're quite welcome for the color ... glad you enjoy it.
DreamStalker, I think ziggytosh wonders if he was the inspiration for your analogy!

I am wondering if ziggytosh is a modern reggae fan. Like the moniker!

Well I'm sorry if ziggy misunderstood ... but "smokers", especially those who smoke in my breathing space, are the inspiration for my, uhhh, "colorful" analogy.

I am being sincere that tobacco smoke irritates my eyes and causes my sinuses to shut my nasal airflow and I truely do not think I am the only one who responds that way to second-hand smoke. Perhaps some folks are allergic to tobacco, I dunno know but I think I made my point ubundantly clear ... and so it seems colorful too.

boston · Post by **boston** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:34 pm

DreamStalker wrote: Let's say there is a person who likes to take a crap in public whenever he/she has the urge without regard to anyone else ... you know, like a dog. He/she craps in your yard, in your car, on the restaurant table, in front of the door of the office building where you work, you name it, anywhere and everywhere. Now maybe you won't die from smelling or walking through such second-hand piles of crap but would you not agree that such a person was rude and inconsiderate of others?

Tobacco smoke irritates my eyes and causes my sinuses to close up ... more so than a smelly tird and I know I'm not the only one ... just look at your poll numbers. I don't like to have to breathe or walk through a gauntlet of smokers just to get into the building where I work ... I will not eat in a restaurant that allows smoking and I don't have any friends that smoke in front of me or in my breathing space.

BTW - I hope smokers aren't offended ... unless of course they smoke in my breathing space

I AGREE 1000%

i used to work in a large office where people were allowed to smoke at their desks, becasue the supervisor smoked too, one day I found and put up a sign that said "I enjoy sex more than you enjoy smoking, you dont see me screwing at my desk, I'd appreciate if you didn't smoke at yours."

got my point across, and they were a little more considerate after a couple days 'discussing' the sign, most smokers dont seem to care they are inflicting their smoke on the non-smokers. I could care less if you want to smoke, I just dont want it near me.

ziggytosh · Post by **ziggytosh** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:47 pm

DreamStalker wrote:I am being sincere that tobacco smoke irritates my eyes and causes my sinuses to shut my nasal airflow and I truely do not think I am the only one who responds that way to second-hand smoke. Perhaps some folks are allergic to tobacco, I dunno know but I think I made my point ubundantly clear ... and so it seems colorful too.

Yeah, some people are allergic to cats too, but they don't expect the rest of the world to be made cat-free to accommodate them.

But that's the thing about analogies, right? If you talk about things that are like the thing, but are not the thing itself, all you need to do is find a thing that fits the point you want to make about The Thing and it will seem as if your arguing is done for you. In reality though, smoking is unlike cats and it is also unlike crapping in public. It is only really like smoking. Better than arguing by analogy, it seems to me, is arguing by deriving the principles at stake and analyzing them independently. As such, the real question, for me, comes down to a balancing of competing rights. At what point does your right to not be exposed to things that provoke your allergies bump up against someone else's right to do the thing they enjoy? When such a conflict occurs, how should society strike a fair balance? I'm not sure, but I don't see why there should automatically be a presumption in favor of the guy with the allergy. However, I am at least sure that there is enough moral ambiguity about this question that outrage on the part of either party is silly.

But that doesn't make your analogy any less colorful or fun to read. Nor, as JNK suggests, does it make it any less of an eerily accurate description of my own habits. Still, for the record, I do believe that you haven't been following me. And JNK, sharp eye for where my nom de cpaptalk comes from!

DreamStalker · Post by **DreamStalker** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:02 pm

ziggytosh wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:I am being sincere that tobacco smoke irritates my eyes and causes my sinuses to shut my nasal airflow and I truely do not think I am the only one who responds that way to second-hand smoke. Perhaps some folks are allergic to tobacco, I dunno know but I think I made my point ubundantly clear ... and so it seems colorful too.
Yeah, some people are allergic to cats too, but they don't expect the rest of the world to be made cat-free to accommodate them.

But that's the thing about analogies, right? ... [blaa blaa blaa]

... party is silly.

But that doesn't make your analogy any less colorful or fun to read. Nor, as JNK suggests, does it make it any less of an eerily accurate description of my own habits. Still, for the record, I do believe that you haven't been following me. And JNK, sharp eye for where my nom de cpaptalk comes from!

You are still misunderstood and unfollowed ... I did not say people should not smoke or that the "world" should be made smoke-free to accommodate non-smokers.

I said people who smoke should be more considerate and practice their habit of smoking like most considerate people practice thier habit of crapping.

ziggytosh · Post by **ziggytosh** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:22 pm

DreamStalker wrote:You are still misunderstood and unfollowed

Bummer.

jnk · Post by **jnk** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:26 pm

I don't smoke, myself. (The fumes that escape my space depend on the extent of the aerophagia the night before and what I've eaten recently. ) But I don't think all smokers are inconsiderate. And I've known some inconsiderate non-smokers, too. What is considered OK socially in general may have a lot to do with whether you were raised in Seattle, New Hampshire, or North Carolina. I think that the most considerate smokers don't do it where it might bother, or seriously effect the health of, others. And the most considerate non-smokers don't publicly denigrate smokers. But, hey, that's just me.

Don't be bummed Ziggytosh. Ev'ryt'ing irie.

izzyb · Post by **izzyb** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:45 pm

I am a smoker and even I hate the smell on my, my car, my home, etc. But I like smoking and keep doing it anyway.

I have a situation at work that I would like people's take on. I have very dry eyes. I have been to the opthamologist about it because my eyes had been bothering me so bad I was concerned. There is not really anthing you can do about it except avoid the irritants. I can't take certain meds because it makes them worse - antidepressants being one of them, and I reallly need to be on one. Anyway, my eyes get really bad from certain environmental causes also. So much so that they burn really bad and are so blurry I can't see the words on the computer screen (my job) or the paper in front of me. Of course I found out that working around computers dries out your eyes and air of any kind. It really impairs my ability to do my job. So I don't take those meds. Nothing I can do about the computer but quit - not an option. But the one thing that bothers me the most that I can't get around is my co-worker who wears perfume so heavy that it actually clogs my throat and needless to say causes me to be in pain and practically blind all day. Candles, air fresheners, etc. also bother me really bad. I am not the kind of person who can say anything to her, but just lets the resentment build up. She has only been there a few months and I know if I was going to say anthing I should have already done it. But she has heard me have conversations with other co-workers about "scents" bothering me and acts oblivious. What makes it even more of a turmoil for me is that I can just imagine that if something was said she would come back with the fact that I smell like cigarette smoke. Of course, there is no smoking in the office, but I know the smell is on me. So that makes me hesitant to say anthing. I have an inner diaglogue going on about this all the time. (I really need those meds! ) So what do y'all think? Should I say anything? I am really not good with confrontation so I am terrified of bringing it up. But what she is wearing is physically painful to me and makes my job difficult. I am not smoking around her, so does the lingering smell of cigarette smoke on me count?

Oh, and I know what you're thinking...does the cigarette smoke bother my eyes? No, it doesn't. I'm sure it would if I were sitting in a smoke filled room, but not just me smoking.

jnk · Post by **jnk** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:11 pm

http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/dryeye.htm: "Recent research suggests that smoking, too, can increase your risk of dry eye syndrome."

Slinky · Post by **Slinky** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:11 pm

Hoo boy! Can I ever relate to these people that seem to take a bath in cologne or perfume! Some take my breath away. Others give me a raging, immediate headache! I dread getting in an elevator at times. I've passed up an open elevator if I got a whiff of Perfume Patty or Cologne Clyde.

sleepycarol · Post by **sleepycarol** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:23 pm

This is probably off topic but is kind of the same thing.

It is about those that have different religious beliefs and they cram those down our throat with no thought about OUR religious beliefs. If you take a poll in any given classroom most, if not all, the students will be of a Christian faith. At least in our rural community. Yet the students are not allowed to have parties that involve Halloween, Christmas, Easter, etc. due to the fact "someone" maybe offended about it. Why should the other students have to suffer because of a very select few?

Myself I will keep adding in references to God when saying the pledge, etc. I think our coinage should continue having In God We Trust. Why should a majority have to bend for a few -- the few want us to bow to them and I think this is unfair. The few should be the ones that should go with the what the majority wants.

It should be my right to practice the religion I want without censorship from a few -- same with most other things.

I do not smoke and never have -- for that matter I don't drink -- but I sure am not going to tell everyone else they can't do this or that. BUT I do not like the smoke to affect my health and do ask for some consideration -- I will give some -- if you do the same.

Raj · Post by **Raj** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:09 pm

Ziggytosh, you've raised an interesting moral issue: is a person's right to enjoy a cigarette equal to another person's right to be untroubled by cigarette smoke if it bothers them? Human society in many countries including the USA has long since answered that question (in theory at least since our world has plenty of slippery characters who can squeeze through the smallest loopholes). The principle is simple enough although I'm going to express it simplisticly. If something you like to do hurts someone else physically, you are morally obligated to stop doing it. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it where the other person won't be affected and there are lots of other caviats, of course. Still, when the harm done reaches a certain level, societies almost inevitably turn the principle into law.

Now what makes the issue thornier than it might initially appear is that smokers don't necessarily smoke in a given location because they enjoyit, or only because they enjoy it. The stuff is stunningly addictive. The brain circuits of reinforcement involved and the consequences of withdrawal boost nicotine to the top level of addictive substances, nudging drugs like heroin for first prize. We should remember that the vast majority of smokers became addicted when they were too young and/or too ill-informed to understand the consequences; plus cigarette companies have a long history of exploiting and encouraging the perception among young people that smoking is a mature thing to do (ironic since to some degree it is an analog to a baby bottle).

What's fair? I think the rights of the non-smoker troubled by smoke trump the smoker's, but at the same time I recognize that the physical and psychological hunger created by addiction needs an outlet so in crowded environments such as cities, where its difficult to get away from people, readily available smoking places should be created for those too hooked to give the stuff up. Certainly setting up smoking rooms with serious exhaust systems and pollution scrubbers would be expensive, so I vote for cigarette companies to use some of their profits to carry that expense.

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